Is this really OK with you?

Question

This is not an "Anti-Obama" question; it is a serious question about our government and the way they do things.

On September 11, 2012, our embassy and the embassy annex were subject to a prolonged attack (over 6 hours) by an organized, armed militia, a militia that was carrying AK-47's, RPG's, hand-grenades, mortars, and other sophisticated weapons. Four Americans were killed, and no meaningful counterattack or defense was undertaken to protect our interests.

Even though there was no way our military, our state department, or our government had any possible knowledge of when this attack might be over, or whether a third wave might happen, we were told that no counterattack or defense was undertaken because "the attack was over".

We were first told by the Secretary of State that this was most likely the result of anger over a videotape. The creator of that tape was put in jail, where he remains today.

Then we were told that this was an act of terrorism. In fact, we were all bent out of shape in this country about whether Obama called this act "terrorism" on September 13, just before he left for some campaign related events in Las Vegas. We were to believe that this was a random act of terrorism, over and done with, and it was being dealt with by the administration while the President was out of town. Not really a big deal.

So now we find out, through dozens of credible sources (not right-wing blogs, not "Breitbart" or "Fox", but CNN, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post) that this really WAS an attack, it was a mission to stop the US and the CIA from bringing sophisticated weapons into Libya, channeling them through Turkey, and arming the Syrian Rebels.

https://www.google.com/search?q=cia+gun+running&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb

The New York Times stopped short of outright accusing Hillary Clinton of lying under oath. They believe they have the evidence that shows that this gun running operation had been going on since at least early 2012, and that Clinton and Petraus were both involved. Petraus resigned in the midst of a personal scandal, Clinton just resigned. The head of the CIA resigned. And no one things this is suspicious.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/us/politics/in-behind-scene-blows-and-triumphs-sense-of-clinton-future.html?_r=0

Now the CIA is being accused of harassing and threatening its operatives, subjecting them to lie-detector tests and otherwise intimidating them not to come forward.

Our government is engaged in some very serious covert operations in a very dangerous part of the world, resulting in the citizens of that part of the world striking back at us, and they have been lying about it since the very first day.

I know that there are people in this country who believe that Obama can do no wrong, who have been claiming that this is a phony scandal, cooked up by "cons" who just hate Obama and want him to go down ... but really?

Forget the Democrat-Republican thing for a minute - do you really believe there is nothing wrong here? Is this really the country you are proud of, the government you want?

There was a lot wrong with the Iraq war, but the one thing it was NOT was a unilateral decision by the government without representation. As much as people hate to admit this, the Iraq War Resolution was brought before Congress and it passed. It passed by a far wider margin than Obamacare did, and more quickly, too.

But this operation was NOT brought before Congress or anything close. This is the government operating on its own. This is our government, without authorization from our lawmakers or the people they represent, risking OUR lives by secretly involving us in someone else's war - and then lying to us about it every day.

Is this OK with you, really?

Answer 1

No, it's not okay with me. Not at all. Something smells to high Heaven and this administration is covering it up.



You'd have to be a Kookaid drinker to think differently.



Great question and nicely presented.

Answer 2

This is not a question but a statement. Your claim that it is not an anti-Obama question is disingenuous at best. I ask you, would you be so adamant and outraged by this incident if it had occurred under Bush Jr's watch? I don't know all the facts but I find yours to be suspect. If the CONS would try not to be so shrill about the incident and not trying to blow every little detail way out of proportion we lefties my be willing to listen to what you have to say. However, this "question" you have posted is so full of half truths, innuendo and out right false facts that Im not even going to attempt to address any of the numerous issues you are attempting to bring up.

Answer 3

You are ignoring the actual CIA timeline of events, which clearly shows that a team was sent in immediately and waged a firefight with the terrorists for hours. This is what I don't understand about Benghazigate members. You can't say that no one was sent in and then whine that 4 people were killed. Two of the 4 killed were members of the team sent in to try to help the consulate. Think.



You also failed to note that it was NOT the sec of state who claimed the video was to blame, it was our director of national intelligence and the FBI and the CIA who ALL INITIALLY believed that the violence around the region regarding the video was also the impetus for the Benghazi attack. Once they knew more from the team on the ground, they revised their statements and said that it had no connection to the video, something you also ignore in your post.

Answer 4

Thomas Edison said, “Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.” And because I love my country, I frequently criticize America’s shortcomings in the hopes of making her better.





Video: March, 2011, shortly after NATO began bombing Libya, journalists the world over were warning that the so-called “pro-democracy” protesters the West was purportedly protecting were in fact notorious extremist groups with a 30 year history of terrorism in Libya and abroad. Dr. Webster Tarpley provided documented evidence collected from the US Army’s own West Point study, indicating the the epicenter of the so-called “revolution,” was in fact the global epicenter of Al Qaeda recruitment. It would be in this epicenter that John McCain would give his speech, and where Ambassador Stevens would later be killed.….



http://tarpley.net/2011/03/24/the-cia%E2%80%99s-libya-rebels-the-same-terrorists-who-killed-us-nato-troops-in-iraq/



The 2007 West Point Study Shows Benghazi-Darnah-Tobruk Area was a World Leader in Al Qaeda Suicide Bomber Recruitment and The CIA’s was funding Libyan who was the Same Terrorists who Killed US, NATO Troops in Iraq



or that alternative media been raising the red flag since 2011 of Benghazi.



http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/confirmed-libya-war-is-cia-op-30-years.html

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/03/john-mccain-founding-father-of.html







@Four Americans were killed, and no meaningful counterattack or defense was undertaken to protect our interests.



----The State Department’s curious mix up over who was providing security at the Benghazi Consulate also may point toward other US government Agencies. State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland initially said “at no time did we contract with a private security firm in Libya,” while federal procurement records easily Googleable showed a contract for “security guards and patrol services” on May 3 2011 for $387,413.68. An extension option brought the tab for protecting the consulate to $783,000.



The contract lists only “foreign security awardees” as its recipient. Was typically fastidious Nuland’s wrong answer simply because she was misbriefed, or was it in fact an honest answer, that the guards were not State Department contractors at all?



Federal procurement records of Benghazi

https://www.fpds.gov/ezsearch/search.do?indexName=awardfull&templateName=1.4.3&s=FPDSNG.COM&q=benghazi







But this definite worse than during Nixon or Bush



Full Text: President Obama's Remarks on the Death of U.S. Ambassador to Libya

http://www.nationaljournal.com/nationalsecurity/full-text-president-obama-s-remarks-on-the-death-of-u-s-ambassador-to-libya-20120912

Answer 5

no. it's not ok with me...



...but the president says that this is a "phony scandal"...



...similar to when then first-lady Hillary Clinton said that claims that her husband were a philandering liar were completely the products of a "vast right-wing conspiracy...."



...the head bobbers nodded than just as they are nodding today...

Answer 6

this man scares me what with the irs the reporters the fast and furious what is he doing that we don't know

Answer 7

Me, no.

For CYA Dems, it's SOP.