Question:
How many people feel affirmative action is no longer needed and we are all equal?
-----JAFO----
2007-02-13 08:06:56 UTC
Is putting the past where it belongs the best way to move forward .
If you feel this way remember 2 years ago A white town placed a barricade across a road in Louisiana to prevent blacks from moving freely in this nation . A tragic yet over looked event in modern times . But those people where all criminals right . You people who believe like this are not true Americans you are like Bush a racist and war monger . What has happened in my country . Barracks wife said on 60 minutes that her husband was as likely to be shot going to the store as he was for running for political office . Are people just blind or am I blowing things out of proportion . You explain why it is ok to barricade a public highway and I will be happy to read your justification for this criminal and horrific action . The greatest hate crime committed that went un-punished under George Bush .
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Fearless Leader
2007-02-13 08:18:23 UTC
I do! Affirmative action should be abolished! You're just a cry baby and a Bush basher.



I'm just afraid that if a Dem is voted President, he/she will enact race norming and employment/school quotas for Muslims to appease Al Qaeda and Hezbollah.
R C
2007-02-13 08:24:00 UTC
Are you talking about politics or are you talking about life? Affirmative Action is a political position. That's what it has become. It promotes the exact opposite of what the civil rights leaders fought for, and it promotes the exact opposite of what every good liberal stands for.



What are liberals all about? Equality and fairness, if you ask. Everyone must be treated equally. There can be NO discrimination based on race, sex, anything! So what does Affirmative Action do? It gives government sponsored preferential treatment to certain citizens based on race. A clear violation of all the discrimination laws that the left has insisted upon. But, they argue, it's compensation for slavery. And by saying that are admitting that they think balcks in this country can not make it on their own. Nice.



Here's what conservatives think and know about this issue and the Constitution. It is not fair for the government to pick sides, and the Constitutional forbids it. The government must treat all people the same, not ensure equal outcomes. That's what Martin Luther King wanted - everyone treated the same. Affirmative Action prevents this very thing. Conservatives do not think any race is less capable than another.



As for hate crimes - the day you make hating someone a crime, is the day we ensure the death of our nation. Everyone hates someone. Everyone. Barricading a road is already against the law - if hate is the motivation it makes no difference. If a woman shoots a man because she loves him and can't stand to see him with another woman, is that a love crime? Better get a law against those too.
C D
2007-02-13 08:32:48 UTC
You ask several very good questions, and I'll try to answer each concisely.



First, I think affirmative action in some things is necessary, but as it has been applied is a step in the wrong direction, encouraging racism and a victim sysytem-dependent mentality. Clearly there are still people who are racist, and some of those people are in positions of power, and they need to be regulated to ensure equality.



Second, we are all equal, and there are laws in place to ensure inequality is rectified. Unfortunately, these laws are not always enforced fairly, and occasionally shocking examples surface.



Third, I believe you're referring to the post-Katrina incident about blocking the road. While you may see it as a black-white racist issue (and it very well may have been), I did see that widely reported in the news, and I saw it as possibly something else. I do not live in that town that blockaded the road, and I assume you don't either, so I would suggest not jumping to conclusions. If you lived in a small community and a large displaced group that was being reported as violent and criminal was approaching your community, I think you would want to stop them from entering your community as well. Regardless of racial origin, a community has a right to be concerned with its safety. At the time, there were widespread reports (later proven false) that there was looting, shooting at rescue helicopters, murders, rapes, etc. from the New Orleans citizens displaced by Katrina.



So while I think it clearly should have been handled better, I don't fault a community for being concerned with their safety when a group reported to be full of criminals was attempting to flood into their neighborhood. It turned out those outrageous reports of all those murders, rapes, gunfire, etc. were for the most part fabricated by the press or simply adopted from a rumor mill. So no, those people were not the criminals they were reported to be, but sadly, AT THE TIME, the people of the aforementioned community were being told by the press that they were...
Comnec1
2007-02-13 08:29:43 UTC
Just my thoughts on the subject. It is horrible that there is still racism in today's world, but I think affirmative action just fuels it. Why should I be punished for something I did not commit? I did not own slaves neither did any of my ancestors, I did not set up road blocks to prevent blacks from moving freely around the nation, I am not guilty of any of these things. So why am I punished? It doesn't seem fair to me, just like slavery wasn't fair and setting up barricades were not fair either. I know that me being punished by affirmative action is not even close to the offensives committed to blacks, but they are all tied together because they all punished people for things they had no control over.

The comment Barracks wife said on 60 minutes is also unfair, in certain places I am also just at likely to be shot as running for office.

Like I said it is unfair that blacks were punished and are still punished for things they had no control over, but isn't it also unfair to punish whites for things they had no control over? I don't think I am racist or a warmonger for believing this.
2007-02-13 08:20:41 UTC
I LIVE in New Orleans, and you have your facts wrong.



I assume you do not live here, and have never been here, so I wish you would shut up about MY city.



Cops set up a barricade to prevent ALL people from LOOTING. The city of New Orleans was being looted, so police set up a barricade on the bridge over the river, where there were relatively undamaged houses on the other side, to prevent THEM from being looted.



If the looting had not occurred, there would be no barricade.





MLK wanted our nation to be colorblind. if people like you could see that incident as just police vs. criminals, instead of police vs. black people, we would be colorblind.



And why do you think George Bush has ANYTHING to do with crime fighting in a city?
John F
2007-02-13 08:33:15 UTC
I think the usefulness of affirmative action has run its course and is now a detriment to a succesful employer. To have to turn down a better qualified candidate so you can meet your quota of minorities and females is reverse discrimination.

Now as an employer I can not hire the person who desirves the job becuase I don't have enough minorities or women. So I keep these types of candidate who meet the minimum qualifications to be employed as the generations replacing these candidates are even less educated and less willing to work.

Stop giving stuff to people and let them earn it. When you have to earn something you generally work harder for it.

As to your barricade..here's one saying I have learned...and I would like a response. You can take the monkey out of the jungle, but you can't take the jungle out of the monkey.

Why do minorities as a whole commit more violent crimes per capita? How do we change this phenomena to bring those numbers more in line with the representative #'s of other races.

We are raising a violent nation of thugs and the majority are represented by black urban culture. I do not see the black community raising their arms in frustration that their youth are becoming more involved in all levels of violent crimes.

Gangs, drive-by's, large scale drug rings, drop outs, the diminshing amount of role models in their communities and nationally.

Why do I have to put up with this BS? I paid my own way through college, got a good paying job and want to raise my family in peace. What if I don't want this jungle mentality in my community I think I should have the right to a safe enviroment free of gun totting hoods who want to come to my town because they tore all of their stuff up and now want to play in my back yard.

Where's the accountability of the black community??
2007-02-13 08:15:03 UTC
Don't kid yourself. It just "words." Everyone is a wordsmith. Equal? All I read on Yahoo Q/A's is the hate. Hate for Jews, fat people, muslims, catholics, athiests, gays, blacks, etc., etc. The only thing we agree on is our disgust and hatred for pedophiles. On that we agree. We are all so absolute about everything and everyone; indicative of our inability and/or intolerance for learning...sheer laziness. Too bad, as life is all we really know and all we want to to do is rule, control, manipulate or kill each other off.
2007-02-13 08:21:00 UTC
People are blind ... and they like it that way.
2007-02-13 08:14:21 UTC
You're rambling.
Joey's Back
2007-02-13 08:25:44 UTC
NeoCracker's answer about AA















Ten Myths About Affirmative Action





In recent years, affirmative action has been debated more intensely than at any other time in its 35-year history. Many supporters view affirmative action as a milestone, many opponents see it as a millstone, and many others regard it as both or neither -- as a necessary, but imperfect, remedy for an intractable social disease. My own view is that the case against affirmative action is weak, resting, as it does so heavily, on myth and misunderstanding. Here are some of the most popular myths about affirmative action, along with a brief commentary on each one.



Myth 1: The only way to create a color-blind society is to adopt color-blind policies.



Although this statement sounds intuitively plausible, the reality is that color-blind policies often put racial minorities at a disadvantage. For instance, all else being equal, color-blind seniority systems tend to protect White workers against job layoffs, because senior employees are usually White (Ezorsky, 1991). Likewise, color-blind college admissions favor White students because of their earlier educational advantages. Unless preexisting inequities are corrected or otherwise taken into account, color-blind policies do not correct racial injustice -- they reinforce it.



Myth 2: Affirmative action has not succeeded in increasing female and minority representation.



Several studies have documented important gains in racial and gender equality as a direct result of affirmative action (Bowen & Bok, 1998; Murrell & Jones, 1996). For example, according to a report from the U.S. Labor Department, affirmative action has helped 5 million minority members and 6 million White and minority women move up in the workforce ("Reverse Discrimination," 1995). Likewise, a study sponsored by the Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs showed that between 1974 and 1980 federal contractors (who were required to adopt affirmative action goals) added Black and female officials and managers at twice the rate of noncontractors (Citizens' Commission, 1984). There have also been a number of well-publicized cases in which large companies (e.g., AT&T, IBM, Sears Roebuck) increased minority employment as a result of adopting affirmative action policies.



Myth 3: Affirmative action may have been necessary 30 years ago, but the playing field is fairly level today.



Despite the progress that has been made, the playing field is far from level. Women continue to earn 76 cents for every male dollar (Bowler, 1999). Black people continue to have twice the unemployment rate of White people, twice the rate of infant mortality, and just over half the proportion of people who attend four years or more of college (see Figure 1). In fact, without affirmative action the percentage of Black students at many selective schools would drop to only 2% of the student body (Bowen & Bok, 1998). This would effectively choke off Black access to top universities and severely restrict progress toward racial equality.



Myth 4: The public doesn't support affirmative action anymore.



Public opinion polls suggest that the majority of Americans support affirmative action, especially when the polls avoid an all-or-none choice between affirmative action as it currently exists and no affirmative action whatsoever. For example, a Time/CNN poll found that 80% of the public felt "affirmative action programs for minorities and women should be continued at some level" (Roper Center for Public Opinion, 1995a). What the public opposes are quotas, set-asides, and "reverse discrimination." For instance, when the same poll asked people whether they favored programs "requiring businesses to hire a specific number or quota of minorities and women," 63% opposed such a plan (Roper Center for Public Opinion, 1995b). As these results indicate, most members of the public oppose racial preferences that violate notions of procedural justice -- they do not oppose affirmative action.



Myth 5: A large percentage of White workers will lose out if affirmative action is continued.



Government statistics do not support this myth. According to the U.S. Commerce Department, there are 1.3 million unemployed Black civilians and 112 million employed White civilians (U.S. Bureau of the Census, 2000). Thus, even if every unemployed Black worker in the United States were to displace a White worker, only 1% of Whites would be affected. Furthermore, affirmative action pertains only to job-qualified applicants, so the actual percentage of affected Whites would be a fraction of 1%. The main sources of job loss among White workers have to do with factory relocations and labor contracting outside the United States, computerization and automation, and corporate downsizing (Ivins, 1995).



Myth 6: If Jewish people and Asian Americans can rapidly advance economically, African Americans should be able to do the same.



This comparison ignores the unique history of discrimination against Black people in America. As historian Roger Wilkins has pointed out, Blacks have a 375-year history on this continent: 245 involving slavery, 100 involving legalized discrimination, and only 30 involving anything else (Wilkins, 1995). Jews and Asians, on the other hand, are populations that immigrated to North America and included doctors, lawyers, professors, and entrepreneurs among their ranks. Moreover, European Jews are able to function as part of the White majority. To expect Blacks to show the same upward mobility as Jews and Asians is to deny the historical and social reality that Black people face.



Myth 7: You can't cure discrimination with discrimination.



The problem with this myth is that it uses the same word -- discrimination -- to describe two very different things. Job discrimination is grounded in prejudice and exclusion, whereas affirmative action is an effort to overcome prejudicial treatment through inclusion. The most effective way to cure society of exclusionary practices is to make special efforts at inclusion, which is exactly what affirmative action does. The logic of affirmative action is no different than the logic of treating a nutritional deficiency with vitamin supplements. For a healthy person, high doses of vitamin supplements may be unnecessary or even harmful, but for a person whose system is out of balance, supplements are an efficient way to restore the body's balance.



Myth 8: Affirmative action tends to undermine the self-esteem of women and racial minorities.



Although affirmative action may have this effect in some cases (Heilman, Simon, & Repper, 1987; Steele, 1990), interview studies and public opinion surveys suggest that such reactions are rare (Taylor, 1994). For instance, a 1995 Gallup poll asked employed Blacks and employed White women whether they had ever felt others questioned their abilities because of affirmative action (Roper Center for Public Opinion, 1995d). Nearly 90% of respondents said no (which is understandable -- after all, White men, who have traditionally benefited from preferential hiring, do not feel hampered by self-doubt or a loss in self-esteem). Indeed, in many cases affirmative action may actually raise the self-esteem of women and minorities by providing them with employment and opportunities for advancement. There is also evidence that affirmative action policies increase job satisfaction and organizational commitment among beneficiaries (Graves & Powell, 1994).



Myth 9: Affirmative action is nothing more than an attempt at social engineering by liberal Democrats.



In truth, affirmative action programs have spanned nine different presidential administrations -- six Republican and three Democratic. Although the originating document of affirmative action was President Lyndon Johnson's Executive Order 11246, the policy was significantly expanded in 1969 by President Richard Nixon and then Secretary of Labor George Schultz. President George Bush also enthusiastically signed the Civil Rights Act of 1991, which formally endorsed the principle of affirmative action. Thus, affirmative action has traditionally enjoyed the support of Republicans as well as Democrats.



Myth 10: Support for affirmative action means support for preferential selection procedures that favor unqualified candidates over qualified candidates.



Actually, most supporters of affirmative action oppose this type of preferential selection. Preferential selection procedures can be ordered along the following continuum:



1. Selection among equally qualified candidates. The mildest form of affirmative action selection occurs when a female or minority candidate is chosen from a pool of equally qualified applicants (e.g., students with identical college entrance scores). Survey research suggests that three-quarters of the public does not see this type of affirmative action as discriminatory (Roper Center for Public Opinion, 1995e).



2. Selection among comparable candidates. A somewhat stronger form occurs when female or minority candidates are roughly comparable to other candidates (e.g., their college entrance scores are lower, but not by a significant amount). The logic here is similar to the logic of selecting among equally qualified candidates; all that is needed is an understanding that, for example, predictions based on an SAT score of 620 are virtually indistinguishable from predictions based on an SAT score of 630.



3. Selection among unequal candidates. A still stronger form of affirmative action occurs when qualified female or minority candidates are chosen over candidates whose records are better by a substantial amount.



4. Selection among qualified and unqualified candidates. The strongest form of preferential selection occurs when unqualified female or minority members are chosen over other candidates who are qualified. Although affirmative action is sometimes mistakenly equated with this form of preferential treatment, federal regulations explicitly prohibit affirmative action programs in which unqualified or unneeded employees are hired (Bureau of National Affairs, 1979).



Even though these selection procedures occasionally blend into one another (due in part to the difficulty of comparing incommensurable records), a few general observations can be made. First, of the four different procedures, the selection of women and minority members among equal or roughly comparable candidates has the greatest public support, adheres most closely to popular conceptions of fairness, and reduces the chances that affirmative action beneficiaries will be perceived as unqualified or undeserving (Kravitz & Platania, 1993; Nacoste, 1985; Turner & Pratkanis, 1994). Second, the selection of women and minority members among unequal candidates -- used routinely in college admissions -- has deeply divided the nation (with the strongest opposition coming from White males and conservative voters.) And finally, the selection of unqualified candidates is not permitted under federal affirmative action guidelines and should not be equated with legal forms of affirmative action. By distinguishing among these four different selection procedures, it becomes clear that opposition to stronger selection procedures need not imply opposition to milder ones.



Some writers have criticized affirmative action as a superficial solution that does not address deeper societal problems by redistributing wealth and developing true educational equality. Yet affirmative action was never proposed as a cure-all solution to inequality. Rather, it was intended only to redress discrimination in hiring and academic admissions. In assessing the value of affirmative action, the central question is merely this: In the absence of sweeping societal reforms -- unlikely to take place any time soon -- does affirmative action help counteract the continuing injustice caused by discrimination? The research record suggests, unequivocally, that it does.





EDIT: I hope NeoCracker doesn't mind me borrowing this answer, but it is SO good..........................

.We can't repeat this often enough!!!

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