Do conservatives not see the real world genius behind amnesty?

Question

Coupled with border and immigration enforcement offering amnesty to those who are here illegally is devilishly simple.
First it thins the herd of illegals as those who chose to come out of the shadows will make the pool of illegals much smaller. Now here comes the kicker; granting them some form of legal status(often dependent on proof of employment) levels the playing field between black market labor and American labor. Meaning they must compete fair and square for jobs. 'Espanol, por favor' becomes a much less reasonable accomodation when you can't under bid US labor. Those that cannot compete with Americans on a level playing field will opt to return home; those that can will be made to assimilate naturally by having to compete on that level playing field for jobs and a future for their children.
Can you think of a more affordable, more effective solution to the problem than that?

Answer 1

agreed homie!



I love how these guys are all like nope that didn't work. People keep on coming here. YEAH no kidding ace! That is the least of the "crimes" in which we are never going to stop..! You know still working on those theft and murders.. Gee why don't it stop? Cause this is life on earth maybe(!)? Or the war on drugs. Dang, we instituted mandatory minimums but people just keep on using drugs. Yea no joke!



Whatever it is you are thinking. Setting up camps for the door to door searches for a 5 to 10 year (at least) process of "sanitizing" the population, or whatever you guys decide to call it.. Meanwhile fortifying the border with landmines around fences, backed by snipers and hourly helicopter flyovers with kill on sight command. Please just stop. This is crazy talk. Let's back it up.



I believe conservatives need to truly reflect on their morals and ask themselves, what is the criminal intent of illegal immigration by itself?

Answer 2

Rewarding lawlessness is never a good idea.

Answer 3

It failed in 1986. Rewarding criminal behavior will never be "genius".

Answer 4

And it's more votes for Obama too!

Answer 5

What's that? All you bleeding-heart libs have volunteered to let them have your house and your job you say? How unexpectedly non-hypocritical of you.

Answer 6

Matthew, this in nothing more than a ploy to get more Democrat voters registered...I admit you you are the Obama of making things sound good...

Answer 7

You are either very dumb or think everyone else is.



What you fail to recognize is that we have too few jobs for Americans now. Whether legal or not, we don't need the Mexican labor in any form.



They must be deported.

Answer 8

What we see is a huge illegal voting base!!



GET REAL!!

Answer 9

Flawed reasoning since most illegals send their money home. And besides, if your logic was correct, wouldn't we all be paying 10 dollars for a head of lettuce? Thats a popular left wing slogan.

Answer 10

So you people want 11 million more social security recipients in X amount of years plus their off springs and their offsprings of their off springs (and so on).



You know that this isn't capable of working. Right?



Move to Europe! They want you all there. I just spoke to Sarkozy, he says that he wants all US liberals to buy a one-way ticket to France and renounce citizenship!

Answer 11

Reagan tried this. Didn't work.



Forgiving people for breaking our laws will only encourage more people to come here illegally.



We need to go after employers and deport the illegals - THAT is devilishly simple, but our representatives are unwilling to do it.

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Answer 12

Congrats. This is the most infantile, shallow, uninformed and clueless liberal non-question (rant) so far tonight.



Please explain to me why we don't have a problem with Canadians pouring over the boarder.



Why, because we don't really have an immigration problem, we have a Mexican problem. Your solution, as is the case with all liberal solution, doesn't work! In fact, it doesn't even address the critical issue. Passing amnesty doesn't fix the problem with the failure of a socialist government to our south. It is corrupt, impoverished, violent, and this will not change by liberals buying votes from illegal aliens. Today's Juan is tomorrows Jose. So the problem isn't solved, it is just exacerbated. But anyone with more than one working brain cell knows that. So, we still need to protect the boarder or the next 20 million are on their way. And the sad part is that these decent hard working people come here and liberals turn them into welfare grabbing, piles of crap.



How do you feel about Canada changing their laws for citizenship to prevent so called Anchor babies? Are they racists? Are the biggots? Are the hate mongers?

Answer 13

Somewhat...Labor prices are dictated by supply & demand. The larger the pool, the more diluted the value of a unit. If they are all deported, suddenly, we have a labor shortage that drives up the price of the labor that supports domestic fresh fruits & produce. The only way we can make that work is to trash NAFTA at the same time, so that our domestic products are not competing unfairly with slave labor products.



As a Conservative, I wholeheartedly support deportation of illegals & trashing NAFTA. Yes, I will pay $6 for a head of lettuce to support this change. If farm laborers made a livable hourly rate we might even have people leaving the miserable & languishing inner-cities for a decent life in the less densely populated & wholesome areas that support agriculture. The only issue is...would they bring a work ethic with them?...or?

Answer 14

Your logic is irreparably flawed.



Lowering the rate of illegals, by simply no longer calling them illegals is asinine.



If only encourages more people to enter the US illegally because we have set a precedence that about ever 20 years we give everyone legal status.



And there are citizens working for under the table pay, so there is no expectation that legal status would change the under the table wages most illegals currently receive.

Answer 15

They would still underbid U.S. citizens by asking to be paid under the table and their employer would fake the number of hours that they work to match minimum income.



A better idea to combat illegal hiring would be better identification cards. If any employer could simply ask for an identification card which would provide them with information to verify your citizenship, illegals would have a much tougher time coming by work in the U.S. without becoming citizens.



And besides that, amnesty rewards crime and the most of the illegals who would flood over would likely be sucking on food stamps and welfare, not to mention health care costs for people whom can pay would skyrocket.



Its a nice idea in theory but there are just too many ways to cheat it in practice.

Answer 16

Amnesty...real.world.genius....does not compute.



The things you mention sound a little OK until you figure in that granting blanket amnesty only legitimizes flaunting the immigration law to begin with. We have been there and done that already in 1986...the massive increase in illegal aliens is the result of that.



You mention competing fair and square for jobs....OK....if we don't have enough jobs even for the U.S. citizens, why would we want to increase the competition????



Just a few things to think through.

Answer 17

In 84 i think 10 million was given amnesty.

We got a bonus 10 mil more out of the deal.



Just go to mexico and not the resorts.

That is what you will soon see here if that is allowed another time.

Answer 18

Interesting thought. But I feel it'll take the repeal or @ least serious reform of the NAFTA treaty in order for that to happen however.

Answer 19

and we should just accept the fact that they broke the law?

i have a cook that we sponsored and tried to make him legal

and it took 7 years of payments it the i.n.s. just for him to be denied and deported.

he tried to do this legal and i respect him for this

the others are just here illegally and do not care ..

Answer 20

The hatred & attack on illegals is misdirected. The top 10% owns 90% of the real wealth & illegals are really just their scapegoats. Most people are just too dumb to get that.

Answer 21

There is no real world genius behind amnesty.



DTG

Answer 22

Evenin' Matt,

Hey nice spin bro..almost had me going. Almost.

Answer 23

Amisty will never ever bappen, and Obamas failed policies will insure enough republicans in congress to block all of obamas other failed policies

Answer 24

Do you not understand that we have a certain quota for admitting work visas? I don't know about you, but I'm all for diversifying. Instead of giving ALL of our work visas to cherry pickers, why don't we give it to international scientists, intellectuals, economists, doctors, etc. Why don't we give work visas to people that'll actually benefit OUR ECONOMY. INSTEAD. OF. *******. DUMBASSES. WHO. COULDN'T. AMOUNT. TO. NOTHING. BESIDES. ARCHING. THEIR. BACKS. 90. DEGREES. AND. REACHING. OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Answer 25

LMAFO. Are you as whipped by your girlfriend as you are by a bunch of criminals?

Answer 26

No..I don't see it as genius. I see it as lazy and spineless.