Question:
Raising minimum wage is bad, why cant people see this?
james h
2007-03-23 08:26:58 UTC
if you rase minimum wage its not like you are really giving anyone more money to spend it has been proven time and time again that the price of goods and services go up a little more than what minimum wage does. So you are getting nothing in return you are actually loosing on value of what your dollar can buy. Is it because someone gets a little more jingle in thier pockets and it makes them feel better? The people at by this are are just pawns of the political party that is pushing this crap. I would like another piece of crap pie give me another raise. what a joke!
Nineteen answers:
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2007-03-23 08:41:02 UTC
I totally agree with you. Why it's so hard for people to see that if you raise pay then the cost for everything else goes up as well is beyond me. This is even a topic I can't discuss with my inlaws because they don't get it and they're in their 60's! It's really not a hard concept to understand.
2007-03-23 09:05:41 UTC
Minimum wage is a price floor. Raising it does not cause inflation. There is no such thing as cost-push inflation. If there were, rising energy prices would have pushed up wholesale prices and prices of goods that use petroleum as a feedstock, and they didn't - intermediate and finished goods makers just saw their margins squeezed and found ways to cut other costs and/or suffered through it, which is why chemical stocks went down and agricultural stocks went down until Bush started talking about ethanol.



Raising it also does NOT give anyone a raise, nor is anyone paid $5.25/hour who would be paid $3/hour but for the present minimum.



Minimum wage works like any other price floor - it renders illegal the sale of a good or service below that price. That means if the market value of your labor at a particular task is $3/hour, and the minimum is $5.25/hour, you don't get hired to do that task - or, you get hired under the table.



At $5.25/hour with all the exceptions they have, the minimum wage is now economically meaningless.



And that is why less than 2% of workers MAKE minimum wage, versus close to 4% when it was set at this level.



$7 is probably meaningless for most people too - McDonald's pays more, Starbucks pays $2 more plus benefits, to START.



Minimum wage is a starting wage, generally earned by students, housewives and recent immigrants - not all but most. This is why 70% of minimum wage earners will receive a 30% raise within a year. There is also incredibly high turnover - most of the one who don't get a raise from the same employer go to another employer, which one is the cause and effect not being quite clear.



And THAT is why "most people don't lose their jobs" when you raise the minimum - - they raise it 75 cents effective six or nine months later or phased in over nine months, and they have a dozen or so exceptions covering most of the jobs you think of when you think of minimum wage. By the time the hike goes into effect almost nobody who was making minimum wage when you debated the hike in Congress is still making it and most of those who are are subject to one of the exceptions.



But it does freeze out of the workforce anyone at the margins.



So the most you can say for it is that in the past, because the hikes have been economically meaningless, not much has happened.



But if you want to know "what would happen" if we raised it by a material degree, consider other countries where it is much higher - - France and Germany typically run 2X our rate of unemployment.



8-9% unemployment is darned good for those countries.



When we have 6% people scream bloody murder.



We have 4.5% now and people aren't happy with it.



But now I say screw it, I'm sick of explaining it to people - let's just set it at $11/hour, watch unemployment go to 8-9% and then maybe they'll believe it.
professional student
2007-03-23 08:34:10 UTC
The problem is that inflation has continued without minimum wage being adjusted. So, the people who are paid minimum wage have less, and have less spending power, but they have to work the same. When someone on minimum wage has been living in an apartment that was once $325/month, but is now $450/month that significantly impacts their ability to live. When wages don't keep up with inflation, that is a sign of an unhealthy economy.
nebtet
2007-03-23 08:54:03 UTC
current minimum wage keeps the minimum wage worker $5000 below the poverty level.



$5.15 an hour as bread costs $2.50 - $3.00 a loaf.

how would you like to work an hour for a 1/2 a loaf of bread?



big corporations can certainly afford to pay their workers more than $5.15 an hour and the minimum wage bill as presented by the Dems would have provided tax breaks for small businesses. the Repubs, there to make sure the wage slaves remain forever enslaved, nixed it of course. it's criminal when Americans can work 2 frigging jobs and still end up living and raising their children in a car. what a pathetically cruel nation we have become.
daisyk
2007-03-23 08:55:41 UTC
The problem is we let the minimum wage fall way under the basic increase of inflation for years and years, and then we suddenly try to correct it - which doesn't do much.



I remember being on minimum wage when it was raised, and the price of everything I bought went up to, and my spending power was exactly the same as it was before.



There's got to be a way to let the basic rates of inflation for any given area to indicate what a constant, GRADUAL, increase should be.
noori_unisa
2007-03-23 09:37:51 UTC
DONT TAKE OFFENSE

the people that think the minimum wage should be raised are the illegal immigrants that are here

the reason being because they are tired if being paid $6.50 an hour they know that their employers know that they are illegal and dont wanna give them raises but they are the ones that do not realize the harmful sides of it as for me i dont care if they raise it i actually agree but some people do not have that knowledge hence they want to raise it
2007-03-23 08:51:30 UTC
That's right, those people don't deserve even close to a living wage. How dare them even live let alone expect to do it in any sort of comfort. You tell them, Sparky. Like old Ebeneezer Schrooge said in "A Christmas Carol" when referring to the poor..."Let them die and reduce the surplus population". Thank you Mr. Scrooge for your kind thoughts about minimum wage.



In past years minimum wage hikes did not hurt the economy so why should this be any better?
quetzalcoatl
2007-03-23 08:35:28 UTC
Have you people never read a history book. What happens when there is no minimum. People are paid crap!!!!!!!!!! Big business has no incentive to pay people to do entry level jobs if there were no minimum they would resort to paying people 20 cents an hour. They will always be able to find someone desperate enough to work for less money and that's what they want.
Take it from Toby
2007-03-23 08:32:50 UTC
This is a nice theory, but...



States like Washington (that has the highest minimum wage in the country) have great economies. These can be used as direct evidence that raising minimum wage doesn't necessarily hurt the economy at all. And it could be argued it helps it, since most states with high minimum wages also have good economies.
songndance1999
2007-03-23 08:33:18 UTC
yeah, the price of a movie has gone up as well as the price of a burger. Thanks a lot people. My pay didn't go up, but my expenses just did.



I remember when minimum wage was 3.33 an hour. I go by just fine because everything was less expensive.

It doens't take rocket science to figure out simple economics
Rick
2007-03-23 08:35:42 UTC
Sounds great in theory. So why is it that the same big businesses that don't want a minimum wage increase argue for illegal immigration so they can pay immigrant slave wages?



Isn't it time businesses stop paying third world salaries and charging first world prices?
Not Me!!
2007-03-23 08:51:44 UTC
you think there should be no minimum wage? Guess you don't mind paying higher taxes out of YOUR income then to pay for welfare for the poor to be able to feed their kids ....come on, get a grip. This is the real world.
Bill
2007-03-23 08:31:53 UTC
People want confidence, and raising the minimum wage, will help them for a while until inflation catches up with it.



Actually, haveing a minimum wage is good because otherwise companies would abuse their workers.
Groovy
2007-03-23 08:32:43 UTC
You have to have a minimum wage so employers will pay more than $1/hr. There would be no stopping employers from paying employees next to nothing.
2007-03-23 08:36:17 UTC
I'm willing to pay a little more for goods and services so people can earn more at the LOWER levels.
Bush Invented the Google
2007-03-23 08:32:12 UTC
No, you're right. We should definitely expect people to keep serving you coffee while not being able to pay their own bills. That way, when they have to quit their job and go on welfare because it's the only way to make sure their kids have food, you can continue to complain about them.
2007-03-23 08:31:09 UTC
1 step farther. HAVING A MINIMUM WAGE IS BAD!!! Let the market set the wage.
2007-03-23 08:31:48 UTC
People can see it with other economies (like america somoa), just not their own.
2007-03-23 08:30:36 UTC
Exactly. If people REALLY want to improve their lives they can do it themselves instead of sitting around waiting for someone else to do it for them


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