What is in Obama's health care bill H.R. 3200? Can Obamabots read?

Question

Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self insure!!
Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill: THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!
Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!
Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!
Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your banks accounts for elective funds transfer.
Page 65 Sec 164: is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations: (ACORN).
Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange.
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!
Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example - Translation: illegal aliens.
Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed.
Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.
Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monopoly.
Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what you can make! (salary)
age 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE!
Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.
Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.
Page 150 Lines 9-13: Business's with payroll btw 251k & 401k who doesn't provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll.
Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)
Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances /personal records.
Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that!
Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors, low income and poor are affected.
Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors, doesn't matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same!
Page 253 Line 10-18: Govt sets value of Doctor's time, proffession, judgment etc. Literally value of humans.
Page 265 Sec 1131: Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.
Page 268 Sec 1141: Federal Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever Govt deems preventable re-admissions.
Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -Govt will penalize you.
Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Doctors what/how much they can own!
Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.
Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. Can u say ACORN?!!
Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: Govt mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.
Page 341 Lines 3-9: Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan.
Page 354 Sec 1177: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people! Unbelievable!
Page 379 Sec 1191: Govt creates more bureaucracy - Tele-health Advisory Comittee. Can you say HC by phone?
Page 425 Lines 4-12: Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life patients.
Page 425 Lines 17-19: Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!
Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death. (assisted suicide)
Page 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends.
Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced care planning consultant" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.
Page 429 Lines 10-12: "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVT!
Page 429 Lines 13-25: The govt will s

Answer 1

Thanks for all the cut and paste garbage.

Every one of these things is either exactly like it already is with private insurance, or an outright lie or distortion - and I've read them all and looked at the text for every one.

Answer 2

We need to get the government out of the business of meddling in health care, which was far more affordable and accessible before government got involved with Medicaid and Medicare. Short of that, and more politically feasible in the immediate run, is to allow consumers and their doctors to pull themselves out of the system through medical savings accounts. We’ve had managed care in this country since the early 1970s, and it hasn’t worked well. It’s very, very expensive, and it’s the fault that we changed our ERISA law and our tax laws that created this corporatism that runs medicine. Wall Street rakes off the profits. The patients are unhappy. The doctors are unhappy. And it’s a monopoly now. Who lobbies us in Washington? The drug companies and the HMOs. They come. And now what is the cry for? Socialized medicine. That’s not the answer. We need to get the government out of the way. Inflation hits the middle class and the poor the most. Those are the people who are losing it. We don’t have enough competition. There’s a doctor monopoly out there. We need alternative health care freely available to the people. They ought to be able to make their own choices and not controlled by the FDA preventing them to use some of the medications that can help with there ailments when the drugs we do have available don't work or the treatments are too expensive. And I understand that we need to help the poor the most through this. So get rid of the foreign policies that are draining us (Iraq, military bases around the world, our imperialistic nature) and use that money we can be saving towards our the debt that our poor patients cannot pay to the doctors that help them.

Answer 3

I am amazed that so many Americans are not aware about Obama’s healthcare plans. During the election, he campaigned for these changes stating that he felt it was unfair to have a system where insurance companies try to escape paying claims.

Remember, he was elected to bring in these changes, elected by the American people who want healthcare reform. And he discussed his plans in debates with McCain, and he still won the election.

First of all, too many people do not know that Obama wants to make insurance more available to all. His system is similar to that which works in Holland, Taiwain and Switzerland. It works there and private healthcare companies provide most the insurance to the people there.

FACT - the USA spends more on healthcare PER PERSON than any other nation on the planet.

FACT – insurance companies admit that they push up costs, buy politicians and do not pay out for many claims when they should.

FACT - the US has higher death rates for kids aged under five than western European countries with universal health coverage.



That means that a dead American four year old would have had a better chance of life if they were born in Canada, France, the Netherlands, Cuba, Switzerland, Germany, Japan etc, all of which have universal health coverage. And no western European nation with universal healthcare has moved away from it. Remember, I back my facts up with proof. Those who say they are wrong tend not to.



And please read the last link if you only read one of my links.

Answer 4

You need to put less in your post so you can give a little more detail about FEWER things. Otherwise, people will call you a liar (look, they already have.)



Random example: "Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.:



FACT: PRIVATELY OWNED hospitals cannot expand unless the Federal government grants an exception.

Therefore "Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand." is less than 100% exactly correct. That's all any liberal needs to call you a liar. Of course, even if you simply QUOTE uncritically, most liberals will still call you a liar.

Answer 5

Actually what the bill does is lay out those principles in exceptionally vague terms. It's to pull the wool over the eyes of constituents who might have a problem with the government controlling their health care.



I should be able to ration my own funds for health care - I don't want the government's bureaucratic ineptitude to determine my own fate. A couple of weeks ago a British man aged 22 died because he could not prove that he could stay sober for six months (in hospital) and he needed a liver transplant. The hospital refused point blank to give him a transplant. That's the kind of power of life and death that the government will have over citizens - rules, restrictions, red tape supervising care, cost, and rationing of funds.



Everything is scarce. Everything must be rationed. The government should protect my rights and not direct how they are to be used. You can't sue the federal government if they screw up health care, unlike a private doctor - you have no recourse.

Answer 6

We can read, but you did not read the actual bill. You have cut and pasted from an email that is being sent around to right-wingers to frighten them. The way I know you didn't read the actual bill is that most Americans, including me and including the person who wrote your email, cannot decipher the legal language that the bill is written in, thus making it easy to scare people with wrong interpretations.



If you really want to know what's going on in the health bill--I mean ACTUAL FACTS that debunk the stuff you posted--here are some websites for you:



http://sickforprofit.com/

http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/

http://www.nationaljournal.com/njonline/mp_20090629_2600.php

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/health-care-reform-bill-simplified

http://factcheck.org/

http://www.nowpublic.com/health/list-health-care-insurance-reform-bill

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/08/06/healthcare/index.html

Answer 7

You forgot page 24. The commissioner will have the right to control the allocation of health care supplies, equipment, personnel, and facilities. Complete control over who gets what, and where they are allowed to work. But its not a government takeover. That would be wrong.

Answer 8

thanks for putting in order, makes it easier, just wondering how many do i have to refute to win?



pg22, a study, you're scared of a study on those who are insured and self insured to find;



(A) The types of employers by key characteristics, including size, that purchase insured products versus those that self-insure.

(B) The similarities and differences between typical insured and self-insured health plans.

(C) The financial solvency and capital re serve levels of employers that self-insure by employer size.

(D) The risk of self-insured employers not being able to pay obligations or otherwise be coming financially insolvent.

(E) The extent to which rating rules are likely to cause adverse selection in the large group market or to encourage small and mid size employers to self-insure



now this seems very sensible, even better it will be done in 18 months after enactment of bill and acted on, to find this out when offering an alternative, like finding out the average size of shoes for a shoe maker and then making more of the common types



pg 30, either your lying with semantics or the government is, the key word is recomend, which means it doesn't have to acted on, but anyway i like how the pannel has a minority of federal employees



pg 29,



annual limitation? don't you guys already have that in your insurance as for the ammount i know not what it is for american insurance plans but i'd guess around this due to it will have to be competertive to the competition



pg 42, can you point out where it says it? cause i cant see it



pg 50, again can't see it



pg 58,



"enable the real-time (or near realtime) determination of an individual’s financial responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible, prior to service, including whether the individual is eligible for a specific service with a specific physician at a specific facility, which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card;"



not access but be able to look at it, sounds kinda bad but not as much as you make it seem. and may be given a card, hey might even be like the national insurance card i have apart from you don't need the code on it to apply for jobs, heck it'd just carry info about your insurance



pg 65, erm no, it seems to apply to all



"to provide reimbursement to assist participating employment-based plans with the cost of providing health benefits to retirees and to eligible spouses, surviving spouses and dependents of such retirees."



eligible means a group health benefits planthat—

(i) is maintained by one or more employers, former employers or employee associations, or a voluntary employees’ beneficiary association, or a committee or board of individuals appointed to administer such plan, and

(ii) provides health benefits to retirees.





pg 84, actually starts on page 73 with deffinition of exchange



"SEC. 202. EXCHANGE-ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS AND EMPLOYERS.

(a) ACCESS TO COVERAGE.—In accordance with this section, all individuals are eligible to obtain coverage through enrollment in an Exchange-participating health benefits plan offered through the Health Insurance Exchange unless such individuals are enrolled in another qualified health benefits plan or other acceptable coverage."



so then you saying all is erronious it's just those participating in the exchange





pg 85, nope sorry, just breaks insurance down into diferent coverage, i wonder doesn't that already happen with some who can afford it getting more inclusive plans



pg 91, an example isn't fact, what about a citizen who can speak much better, fluently and destrictivly in their mother tounge, also all those who are illegals and show up at emergency rooms and have to be treated, it'd be easier to do that



pg95, "oh no people are coming to get me insured!!!!"

i can't think of anything but riddicule for that



pg 85, see other pg 85 it's the same god damn thing, just padding the list are we?



pg 102 oh how horrible i'm being forced into free (or is it discounted) health care stop helping me live damn it!!!



also it's only for those who qualify for it and have no insurance



oh the insanity of it all



ok i'll stop here cause no one reads the whole thing and i think i spent my time screamng at the wailing wall

Answer 9

Obviously, the bill is open to interpretation.

Answer 10

It is always a great idea to pass bills that you and your heroes in congress haven't read! (sarcasm strongly intended)

Answer 11

This has been copied and paste to death. Good Gosh, enough already.

Answer 12

Proof that this is not the bill the majority of Americans want.

Answer 13

Obamabots don't read unless their holy master tells them to.

Answer 14

thanks for paraphrasing, I'm sure you have no bias whatsoever.



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EDIT:

Instead of blasting a bunch of BS all at once, why don't you pick a topic(fear) and discuss it rationally, with facts.

Answer 15

I think a lot of them can read, I just don't think they can comprehend. It would be much clearer to them if they removed the rose-colored glasses.

Answer 16

Not only can we 'read' but we understand what we read ... so we don't need your 'interpretation' ... or Rush's ... or Hannity's ... etc etc.

Answer 17

Oh how better off we will all be. *sarcasm*