If Obama vetoes the pipeline will the Congress override his veto?

Question

I understand the pipeline causes a fitna within the Democratic ummah by pitting environmentalists against the union men. Is it enough to turn enough Democrats in Congress to defy the President?

Answer 1

I don't know. I hope not. I think the Canadian tar sands industry that the pipeline will support is kind of a doomsday machine when it comes to climate change.



Why? Because the oil from tar sands is so mixed with other materials, it takes a lot of energy just to get it out of the ground and into a form that makes it comparable with other, more conventional kinds of oil.



Yet burning the conventional kinds of oil -- which is far more efficient in terms of energy use -- already contributes to destructive climate change, aka "greenhouse warming" or "global warming." Because of the extra energy that's needed to process tar sands oil, it contributes even more CO2 to the atmosphere for every useful BTU of energy produced.



Building the Keystone XL Pipeline to carry Canadian tar sands oil to the Gulf of Mexico to be refined, therefore, is supporting a kind of fossil fuel industry that puts the "greenhouse effect" on steroids. It's a terrible idea, no matter how many temporary construction jobs the pipeline project might create.



To answer your question, though, I just don't know if the environmentalists and the climate scientists can count on enough Democratic Party opposition to Keystone to support a presidential veto. I guess we'll have to see.

Answer 2

My guess (and it is only a guess) is that not enough Democrats will join Republicans to override the President's veto. But, many Democrats have constituencies who have been fooled into believing that this pipeline will do things it will not do. So, it is really anyone's "guess" as to what will happen after the veto. Stay tuned.

Answer 3

Neither the House nor the Senate has the needed 2/3 majority to override the President's veto.

Plus the matter of the route through Nebraska is still tied up in the Nebraska courts so even if passed by Congress it might not matter.

Answer 4

Congress needs to think about when the down side of the pipeline comes knocking and

why their veto would let President Obama escape all the usual blame from Republicans.

Answer 5

Keystone XL is the most likely thing where the House & Senate may raise a veto-proof majority.



The comically funny thing is that, with oil at $50 / barrel, it's not cost effective to produce oil from the Bakken Shale. TransCanada may secretly be thanking President Obama for saving them from having all that stranded capital in the pipeline.



But it's a symbol, and the Republicans will go forward with it, regardless.

Answer 6

No, the Congress will not obtain the necessary votes to override. Too many Democratic Congressman are already on record against the pipeline and if they don't vote to approve the bill it is unlikely they will change their vote to override a veto.

Answer 7

Is that why Mitch McConnell was just today pleading with Obama to take the lead with Democrats and get them to vote it through!!!



So no it is not enough, Obama is obligated to the majority of Democrats to veto it!!!

Answer 8

I sure hope so. The Oil Sands is the subject of a vast number of lies. Canada is going to develop the oil sands in any case. The real question is will the oil go to the USA or to China? That the environmental movement in the USA opposes the oil sands while accepting that the USA burns vast amounts of coal is hypocritical in the extreme.

Answer 9

They said if he does they feel towards the end of the year they can override it. Not sure what they mean by that, how.

The pipeline isn't only an economic concern of the American people but also an economic concern of Canadians.

Answer 10

I don't know. Because the oil from tar sands is so mixed with other materials, it takes a lot of energy just to get it out of the ground and into a form that makes it comparable with other.

Answer 11

I dare them. Once stories show up about republicans taking away the family ranch and giving it to the oil company it will hit republicans hard at the voting booth. I can't even imagine the PR disaster if a major ecological disaster where to happen over the ogallala paleo-aquifer, if that water gets contaminated you can pretty much say goodbye to americas breadbasket, how many jobs will that be gone?

Answer 12

No. The Democrats will back their man. When Daddy Bush was President he stroked the Veto pen often. But his fellow Republicans backed him. Only one time was his veto overridden.



If the Democrats start overriding Obama vetoes then that will play into the hands of the Republicans in 2016. Every veto override is a rejection of Obama's policies over his two terms. The Democrats would be crazy to turn away from it because that would justify the Republican grid lock strategy.

Answer 13

NOT if there is a lot of money, power, control and votes in it for them ... no politician ( Dem or Rep ) turns down more money, power, control and votes for themselves not even if means Life and or Death to other people and or Nature... too bad foolish people / voters ( Dem and Rep ) don't care to realize it tho :( !

Answer 14

The "Union" men aren't really favoring the pipeline, as the pipeline would mean no new jobs in their states. The only democrats who are backing the pipeline are those in oil states. They aren't "union men" who tend to be in rust belt states.



There isn't that much support for the government seizing people's land to make profits for Canadians in the Democratic party.

Answer 15

They don't have the votes and the pipeline is just not worth it. Tar Sands oil is poison in a barrel, to have it running across the entirety of the country at a time when oil prices are low and show no signs of rising in the future? That's just dumb.

Answer 16

Republicans don't have the required number of votes to override a veto. Checkmate.

Answer 17

Canada will produce the oil whether we have a pipeline or not, thats what people dont understand. It will either go to the U.S. or to the Canadian border for export.

Answer 18

he will veto because he gets money from buffet to veto it,because buffet hauls oil by train ...he owns the railroad......greedy thief

Answer 19

Are you so sure that President Obama will veto it? What he should axe is the TPP, but he will not.

Answer 20

The pipeline is to get Tar Sand oil from Canada to China. I don't care about environmentalists, when have we become Canada's *****?

Answer 21

If the impostor vetoes the pipeline it will be the first right decision he made in 6 years.

Answer 22

Well, no. We don't want the environment damaged beyond repair for 35 jobs.



No, the anti-Americans don't have enough votes to override. The PEOPLE will win this one.

Answer 23

It's offensive to create infrastructure and jobs in rural America. Apparently pipelines occur naturally in New York and Chicago where many of these "enviro-mentalists" live.

Answer 24

No. But every Veto will point out to the American people that Obama is the President of "No". He has been for 6 years but he has had Harry Reid do his dirty work.

Answer 25

Yes, either that or get it passed as a rider

Answer 26

They have to because they've already cashed the checks.

Answer 27

I sure hope not---the so-called Keystone Pipeline is a disaster many times over, and the American people are being deliberately misled by the oil-industry-colluding rightwing Republicans seeking to line their coffers with big-dollar donations from their oil-empire donors.



Ed Schultz, of "The Ed Show" on MSNBC, started off 2012 being in favor of the Keystone Pipeline project, and occasionally fussed at the Obama administration for dragging its heels. However, host Ed went in person to the states who would be affected by the pipeline, and he also did some in-depth research which revealed the problems with the proposed pipeline.



American people have been led to believe the oil that would be coming from Canada is going to be kept in the U.S.---that was never true. In addition, there are fine-print provisions in the Canadian contract which makes the U.S. states LIABLE for maintenance and repairs, financially speaking---the oil company refuses to be held accountable fully.



Jobs that the oil-industry-colluding Republicans have been touting from the rooftops are NOT long-term...there would be only thirty-five...yes, that is THIRTY-FIVE...jobs once the pipeline is built. In addition, there is no provision for the steel used for building the pipeline to be U.S. steel---something the Democrats would insist upon.



Finally, the destination of this pipeline that threatens the water supplies for our states is Port Arthur, Texas. Guess what? That is a DUTY-FREE EXPORT POINT for this water-threatening dirtiest-oil-in-existence to be SHIPPED OVERSEAS. None of the oil remains in the U.S. In fact, thanks to President Obama, the U.S. is producing our own oil (cleanly) that surpasses our imports.



I hope Congress (both House and Senate) are wise enough and honest enough to NOT PASS the Keystone Pipeline bill...but should the GOP continue to peddle this eco-disaster, then a Presidential VETO should be upheld in both House and Senate because Democrats are sensible.

Answer 28

We need to eliminate and our dependence of oil from OPEC.

Answer 29

Well what political Capital would they gain by voting against it for Obama. 30 senators that voted with Obama on Obama Care are now long gone for supporting it.

Answer 30

They can't.

Answer 31

He will cave the SoB know the vote is against him..

Answer 32

I hope so. Democrat Mary Landrieu (Louisiana) tried desperately to hold on to her senate seat yelling from the rooftops she would vote for the pipeline.



How many years now have the democrats been "studying" it???

Answer 33

Liberals have this irrational paranoid fear of a pipeline dripping all over the landscape and getting all the little bunnies and birds all covered with oil.

Answer 34

Only if they are racist.

Answer 35

no

Answer 36

They cant.

Answer 37

they cant...