Liberals: what do you think of this quote about liberalism? ?

Question

"a nation's moral life is the foundation of its culture"
-Robert H. Bork

or maybe :

"the sentiments and beliefs are that drive it, however are the same: the ideals of liberty and equality. This ideals produced great political, social, and cultural achievements of Western civilization, but no ideal, however worthy, can be pressed forever without being turned into something else,turning in fact into its opposite. This is what is happening now. Not a single American institution, from popular music to higher education to science has remained untouched."
From Robert H. Bork's Slouching toward Gomorrah Modern Liberalism and American decline.

Answer 1

I totally agree with him.



We are coming apart at the seams as a nation. We are placing increasing value on the things we disagree on rather than on the things we do agree on. And we are becoming increasingly intolerant of those who disagree with us.



Barack Obama recently became our president-elect. Some of those who did not support him are being called racists. Some of them clearly are racists, and their racism is not benign. They are speculating on the possibility of his assassination. He hasn’t even taken office and some people, few though they may be, are speculating about his assassination!



Where is our moral life? What has happened to the values we once shared, the ones that made us all “Americans?” They are getting hard to find. The ties that once bound us together are fraying. We like to say we celebrate our diversity, but we seem more intent on “celebrating” and cultivating our differences. It’s black versus white, rich versus poor, Latino versus Anglo, Muslim versus Christian, and so on. We seem to looking for differences and exploiting them to create conflicts.



If we are to survive as a nation, we must share some values, or morals, of overriding importance. Those values must supersede our politics and even our religions because those values are what make us Americans.



What and where are those shared values today?



There is a lot of talk about globalism, a one-world economic concept. But how are we going to be a part of, and contribute to, a global community when we can’t even get along with each other? The globalists overlook the fact that there is another concept implicit in a global community: a social one.



Many liberals, at least those on the far left, think they are going to rule in a new world order. They are mistaken. The United States is inherently a centrist nation. Many Democrats are starting to complain about how the far left has “hijacked” their party. The far left is inherently divisive. The most oppressive governments in the history of the world have been leftist. When Fidel Castro came to power in Cuba, he was hailed in our own press as “The George Washington of the Caribbean.” But he has proven to be anything but a George Washington. He is more like a Joseph Stalin. And we don’t want, we don’t need, and we will not tolerate a Joseph Stalin in our country.



You can take that one to the bank.

Answer 2

Liberals are generally character assasins rather than responders to rational arguments. If Bork said 2 + 2 = 4 the liberals would disagree because of the information's source.

Answer 3

Americans on the left want to act in any way that makes them feel good, regardless of the consequences. They want what they want and they want it right now. They seem not to care if what they want is morally wrong or not. The thing to remember is that there is always a consequence for sin, sooner or later. You can't live in defiance of God's laws forever without facing some serious trouble.

Answer 4

Robert H. Bork is an evangelical.

Anything a fundamentalist says should only be taken with a grain of salt.



Gomorrah was a town that God obliterated. The book title alone suggests that the US is going to get blown up by God if liberalism continues.



Ideologically, I'm a centrist and I'm getting a little sick of hearing all these hostilities towards people who aren't religious. NeoConservsatives and Social Conservatives have even become violent in the past few months. It needs to be stopped and shame on American news networks like Fox News for promoting this crap. Every other country in the world has people of different political views, but you don't see them having cultural wars.



I'm getting really sick of the religious. I wish they'd just keep to themselves instead of getting into everyone elses business, as Jesus intended. Christians aren't very Christ-like.

Answer 5

In my country the Liberals are on the right (he he),America as seen from overseas seems to be a little lost,but which country isn't? The whole world is changing fast.

Answer 6

Bork is right. The moral decline of this nation will greatly contribute to its destruction.



"Their destiny is destruction, their god is their belly, and their glory is in their shame. Their minds are set on worldly things" Phil 3:19

Answer 7

Good post.



And I wonder what they think of this quote:



"If you're not a liberal at 20 you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at 40 you have no brain."



Often attributed to Churchill, but most likely someone else.

Answer 8

I am liberal all most of the way and thinking, no extremism allowed

myself, policy should be every one of every doctrine to coexist to

share each other, the based of live and let live, the democracy is

the heart of liberalism the best for all opinion should reflect.

Answer 9

I think it's a heck of a good thing that Bork never got on the Supreme Court!!!



That said, he (and by extension, you) uses the word "moral" as if it had only one meaning - the one he assigns it, that he thinks clearly doesn't jibe with "liberalism".



But those of us on the Left certainly feel that we have morals! It is because of my own moral foundation that I have the political beliefs I have!!!! Perhaps I don't have the same moral beliefs as Bork, but that doesn't mean I don't have any.



And people who underestimate their political opponents tend to misjudge what they are up against.



Hence the last election!

Answer 10

Isn't he the guy who was rejected for the Supreme Court because he was too extremist?





The guy was nuts. He attacked sane people because they weren't as nuts as he was, and he thought that immoral.



That first quote may be correct, but he would do well to practice it and not just preach it. That second quote is a complete misrepresentation of what Liberals are after, and a complete misrepresentation of what they have acheived.

Answer 11

What do you think of this quote?

"Robert Bork's America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, writers and artists could be censored at the whim of the Government, and the doors of the Federal courts would be shut on the fingers of millions of citizens for whom the judiciary is -- and is often the only -- protector of the individual rights that are the heart of our democracy... President Reagan is still our president. But he should not be able to reach out from the muck of Irangate, reach into the muck of Watergate and impose his reactionary vision of the Constitution on the Supreme Court and the next generation of Americans. No justice would be better than this injustice."

Ted Kennedy

Answer 12

Well you can color the picture any way you want, but your definition of liberalism and mine are not the same. Good question though

Answer 13

What do you think of my qoute about conservatism?

"A man who changes in a human. A man who never changes is a statue"

Answer 14

As little as possible. Bork is in no way someone capable or deserving of passing judgment on anyone else. He is welcome to his own morality. He needs to keep it to himself.

Answer 15

I think it's mostly rubbish... but not too earth-shattering either.



I think anybody who says that Liberalism is about equality and liberty and still thinks it's "sinful" is somebody we should probably keep our kids away from....

Answer 16

They wont listen

they want to live any way they want and not have to pay the consequences

Answer 17

i give u a thumbs up even though its a question

Answer 18

huh?