Question:
Why do a big part of Obama supporters think he's the" big change" candidate but when you confront them
justgoodfolk
2008-03-31 13:27:59 UTC
with evidence where he does excactly the same as other politicians their defense is all politicians do that? Is that logical?

We know what other politicians do but wasn't Obama suposed to be mister clean hands and big change?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=77XqG8p6-GE
Eighteen answers:
Chi Guy
2008-03-31 13:31:37 UTC
Disagree. Martin Luther King Jr was a catalyst for change. Yet no one could point out what he did differently in his life when he arrived on the scene. It was not until change was ushered in through his leadership that MLK became the renown figure he is today.



Some things that ARE different about Obama are:



- Hillary received the greatest amount of lobbyist campaign donations.

- McCain received the second largest amount of lobbyist campaign donations.

- Hillary supported the Iraq invasion in 2002 and the occupation in 2005.

- McCain supports the Iraq venture

- Hillary voted in favor of Bush's Iran resolution in 2007

- Corporate America and the defense industry greatly prefer Hillary and McCain over Obama.
latricia
2016-05-30 03:18:42 UTC
If you haven't noticed, Hillary wins in most places that uses the Diebold Voting Machines. That should tell you something. Even New York now is finding errors and votes that weren't even counted. There were about 18 precincts which had no votes for Obama in the first tally. And being from New York, I KNEW THAT WAS A LIE! When they went back to tally again, Obama's votes outnumbered Hillary's. So the total votes for New York and New Hampshire is still a mystery. Massachusetts used voting machines also. I'm sure if they recheck their votes, they would also get a different count. But Obama didn't lose by that much to request a recount. But a recount might turn the scale there, too. You need to check on those states with voting machines and see what the outcome truly ends of being. You can't begin to realize the crookedness in our voting system that's been going on for years. Why do you think Bush won in the first place? Things are not as they seem, my dear friend. You must be able to investigate what you don't know instead of accepting what they want you to know. Wake up! babs
Kenneth J
2008-03-31 13:46:52 UTC
Obama is as much about change as G.W.Bush was in 2000

We can all see what his change was about NOTHING

That was good for America and we will feel the effects of it for a long time i'm afraid..



Obama is no different either . He uses the same style politics Bush used in 2000 "change","can'"and "hope".



Obama is long on speeches and thats just words.

Obama is really short on specific though when ask about what he plans to change about America.



Judging by what's been reveiled about him so far this year.

I'm not sure America wants or needs this type of change.



America doesn't want or need a black lying Racist President.



The choice is coming down to the wire fairly soon.

Who we elected and what they do to our country.

Depends on who we choose as our 44th President.



We need to really think long and hard about this before we vote for some unknown change in America like we did 8 years ago.





Clinton- McCain - Obama



Which will it be America

That our choice make the right one
2008-03-31 13:42:59 UTC
The change Americans are looking for is for the federal government to start tending to the needs of the middle class and not just exclusively for big business or the wealthy.

Most Americans are tired of the supply side mentality and loose spending habits. Either Obama or Clinton will bring that change. The only real difference between these two seems to be personality.
Mr. Taco
2008-03-31 13:37:46 UTC
How come no one ever comes on here and argues against Obama's stances on the issues, only choosing to acknowledge broad and vague problems like this one? Hmm...



I can give five specific examples of Obama as a "big change" candidate.



1. Opposed use of military force in Iraq. Voted for war spending bill that would have withdrawn most U.S. troops by March 2008. Supports phased redeployment of U.S. troops. Opposed Bush's plan to send additional troops to Iraq.



2. Would implement an economy-wide cap-and-trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to the level recommended by top scientists. Would make the United States a leader in the global effort to combat climate change by leading anew international global warming partnership. Would establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard (LCFS) to speed the introduction of low-carbon non-petroleum fuels. Would create a Technology Transfer program within the Department of Energy dedicated to exporting climate-friendly technologies to developing countries. Would offer incentives to maintain forests globally and manage them sustainably. Would develop domestic incentives that reward forest owners, farmers and ranchers when they plant trees, restore grasslands or undertake farming practices that capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.



3. Would reform No Child Left Behind, ensuring access to high-quality early childhood education programs and child care opportunities, recruit well-qualified and reward expert, accomplished teachers. Make science and math education a national priority. Reduce the high school dropout rate and empower parents to raise healthy and successful children by taking a greater role in their child's education at home and at school.



4. Would create a national health insurance program for individuals who do not have employer-provided health care and who do not qualify for other existing federal programs. Allows individuals to choose between the new public insurance program or from among private insurance plans that meet certain coverage standards. Requires employers who do not provide health coverage for employees to pay into the national health insurance program. Does not mandate individual coverage for all Americans, but requires coverage for all children. Allows individuals below age 25 to be covered through their parents' plans. Cost estimated between $50 billion and $65 billion, to be paid for by eliminating Bush tax cuts for those earning over $250,000.



5. Would pump $75 billion into the economy via tax cuts and direct spending targeted to working families, seniors, homeowners and the unemployed. The plan also includes $45 billion in reserves that can be injected into the economy quickly in the future if the economy continues to deteriorate. Would provide an immediate $250 tax cut for workers and their families and an immediate, temporary $250 bonus to seniors in their Social Security checks. Would provide an additional $250 tax cut to workers and an additional $250 to seniors if the economy continues to worsen. Would extend and expand unemployment insurance.



Now, I am sure you can cherry-pick this and find a few examples that McCain or Clinton support, too, but if you take it as a whole, it is a HUGE change. Change is, afterall, relative, and the most important thing is this: not creating something different than anyone else has ever come up with, but rather choosing the RIGHT paths and issues and changing what we have RIGHT NOW. Bush has practically ruined this country. THAT is what needs to be changed above all else.
2008-03-31 13:36:50 UTC
Chi Guy, MLK Jr. took a stand in a time that alone could of and ultimately DID get him killed, he BELIEVED in the power of actions and he was a great motivator and even greater speaker. Prior to his speeches and marches he was well educated, as was Obama. The difference is, MLK Jr. was PROUD of who he was and didn't try to weasel out of the truth as does Obama.



Obama's supporters an't see past the nose on their face and they aren't old enough to remember how JFK ruined this country with similar "ideals".
RoteHexe
2008-03-31 15:24:24 UTC
because all they hear is "change" and nothing else.



are people in this country that desperate, that they just take anybody's word that they can change everything?



and does everybody recognize that most his changes will hurt us badly in our pocketbook?



or where do people think the money is coming from for health care etc........yeah health care like many europeans have might be great in one way.......but do americans know that for instance the german's net income is less than half of their gross?



and why do middle class kids (from families who have $30,000 and more yearly) have to have instant health care? only because those families do not have their priorities straight....we shall pay for that???? i don't think so!



and bringing troops home from iraq INSTANTLY? everybody who is in their right mind knows that this would be absolutely GREAT........but not feasible!



i know one thing for sure....in my family NO one will vote for obama!!!!
2008-03-31 13:38:34 UTC
If you want to confront me with real information, then go right ahead. If you're going to try feeding me ham-fisted propaganda and then yell at me for refusing to swallow it, then please go away.



Obama supporters are, on average, more well-educated than supporters of McCain or Clinton. We're capable of understanding that not all complex situations can be reduced to black and white, and we're not going to fall for stupidity.
2008-03-31 13:39:51 UTC
You know that with Bush in power now anything sane is going to be a big change. I hope that when Obama is in power he is not afraid to prosecute Bush and Cheney.
Beardog
2008-03-31 13:34:13 UTC
Which evidence would you be describing? The cleanliness of a campaign does matter to me. Dirty campaigns lead to dirty administrations- that's why I refuse to vote for either Hillary or McCain.



You do have an opportunity to change my mind here. What evidence of dirty hands have you found?



EDIT: So you're saying that he didn't automatically bail out his corporate friends, even though they contributed to his campaign? That does sound refreshingly like change...
2008-03-31 13:41:18 UTC
maybe they think he is different so he represents change in that sense



but they forget politicians are the same
credo quia est absurdum
2008-03-31 13:35:26 UTC
Dreamers..Obama is a politician (which is only another way to spell 'liar').

He, like all the others, will do and say _anything_ to get a vote.

OBAMA is NOT PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL. He has no experience and he is a Marxist. Bad combination, that. Marxist with anything.
Tom
2008-03-31 13:34:34 UTC
What's logical is that he is promising change and people take him by his word.



Hillary Clinton is taken by her word when she says that she wants to stop the war in Iraq, even when there is evidence that she won't.



Obama supporters have faith in their candidate.
2008-03-31 13:34:22 UTC
Actually I think of Obama as a moderate on spending/social policy, that's why I support him as an independent. His "Change" slogan is just a political brand. I have no problem with that, and after the extremism of the past seven years, a moderate is welcome.
marvinsussman@sbcglobal.net
2008-03-31 14:30:19 UTC
He has a brain in his head. That's a huge change right there!
2008-03-31 13:39:12 UTC
Because he's a black Democrat instead of a white Republican and he can speak better than Bushfraud?
I'm Ayers best friend
2008-03-31 13:31:08 UTC
Why is it?

Cause his supporters are all high schooler kids.....



BTW, that is so trueeee.

They always say that all politicians are the same.
2008-03-31 13:31:47 UTC
Stop..

Confronting the delusional with facts can be dangerous!


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