What’s the whole argument with Palestine and Israel? Are they the same geographic location? What’s the difference between the two ?

Question

What’s the whole argument with Palestine and Israel? Are they the same geographic location? What’s the difference between the two ?

Answer 1

To put it simply: 



Israel is a country in the Middle East where the majority of the population is Jewish. It was founded in May, 1948 by Zionist Jews who envisioned re-establishing a Jewish country in their ancient homeland as a safe haven for Jews from the antisemitism of the world.



Palestine is an unrecognized de facto state located in the West Bank and Gaza Strip (The Palestinian Territories). It has a population that is majority Arab and Muslim with some Christians as well. 



In that area, known as the levant, Jews lived there and established their ancient kingdoms there. They were exiled from the land by the Romans in about 70CE and have been praying to return ever since. Palestinians are descendants of Arabs, Christians, muslims, etc that came to the land a few generations after the Jews were forced out and after the crusades. They also became a nation and a people there as well. Both Jews and Palestinians are therefore indigenous to the land in question. 



Both places are located in what was known as the British Mandate for Palestine, which ceased to exist in 1948. The area was a province of the Ottoman Empire but the British seized it in WWI and set up a “Mandate” there with the intention of eventually leaving and handing it over to its inhabitants to rule. Prior to WWII, Jews and arabs who lived in that land were fighting over who should be the rulers of it once the British left. The British actually promised the land to the Jews in what is known as the Balfour Declaration, but in practice, never did this, and the Arabs did not like Jewish immigrants coming into the mandate and would often attack them. After WWII, the British handed over the issue of what to do with the Mandate of Palestine to the newly formed UN and the UN recommend the area be split into two countries because of the highly nationalist nature of the Jews and arabs who lived there and wanted a country for themselves. The UN recommended two states: 



A Jewish state 

An Arab state



The Jews of British Palestine accepted this offer, declared independence of the new country of Israel the day the British left and then fought a war with the Palestinians and neighbouring Arab countries when they attacked and tried to deter the new Jewish state from coming into being.



As for the Palestinians, they lost the war and were forced out of the new state and behind armistice lines into what are known as The West Bank (Because its west of the Jordan River) and the Gaza Strip. Some stayed behind and became citizens of Israel but not many, most became stateless and are refugees to this day. Since 1948, they have had no country and no recognition of them as an independent state. Surrounding Arab countries refused to help them or give Palestinian refugees citizenship in their countries. The Arab countries thought one day they and the Palestinians would fight back against the Jews, retake the whole of what was British Palestine, throw out the Jews, and establish an Arab Palestinian state. But that didn’t happen, and when the arabs and Palestinians tried to do just that in 1967 and 1973, they failed and Israel actually gained more land. 



The conflict stems from which side claims what. Both Israel and Palestine claim the parts of the land for themselves and there is an ongoing argument about how Israel came into being.



At this point it’s really pointless though since Israel is a country that exists. You can’t un-do that. Same with Palestine. They’re a people who exist and deserve a place to call home too. So now it’s how to just divide up the land so both peoples can live out their aspirations in a national homeland. That’s why you hear the phrase “two-state solution” thrown around.



As for its name. The name of the region has had many names:



Israel/ Judah/ Judea/ Samaria: Name of Jewish kingdoms that existed there in antiquity.



Palestine: Name given to the region by the Romans shortly after the expulsion of Jews from their kingdoms in around 60-100 CE. This name comes from the ancient people, the Philistines, that lived in the area and warred with the Jews, and the name was put as a way to erase Jewish connection with that land.



Levant: The geographical name for the region.

Answer 2

Hello,



(Currently the following are often removed upon posting my answers on the Arab / Israel dispute: Carrier-returns (paragraph breaks), and spaces following periods. Where made into links some URLs are corrupted, and such links also then remove some characters following them. (“> >” represents one blank line.))



> > A dispute over the land of Israel between the Jewish people and the “Palestinian” Arabs, (the Arabs who call the land “Palestine”). There has never been an indigenous “Palestine” / Arab sovereign state in the land of Israel upon which the “Palestinian” Arabs could base any claim to any part of Israel. The name "Palestine" is also not a valid geographical term; the proper geographical term would be "Levant". 

Objective-evidence and internationally-accepted history shows the Jewish people’s claim can be verified, whereas the false-claim made by the “Palestinian” Arabs cannot be verified.



> > The name “Palestine” was used by the Romans to attempt to negate Israel / Judah as names for the land. Today the “Palestinian” Arabs and their primarily anti-Semitic supporters, use the name “Palestine” for the same purpose. The name “Palestine” is the Roman-imposed rename of Israel / Judah, a name later resurrected for the British Mandate. Both Roman and British powers were foreign imperial rule.

The only valid-name for the land belongs to the Jewish-indigenous sovereign states before the Re-establishment of Israel in 1948, which are “Israel” or “Judah”. 



> > The Arabs willingly accepted “Palestine” as the Roman-imposed rename of Israel / Judah. Why? Because their propaganda would not be as effective if they accused the Jews of stealing “Judah”.



> > The Jewish People are the indigenous people of their ancestral homeland of Israel (“Jew”=citizen of “Judah”-  Judaism is both an ethnicity as well as a religion), with unbroken presence there since Biblical times: 

(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region))



> > Israel is Re-established within the Jewish ancestral homeland. Post-Biblical history records the Jewish Hasmonean Kingdom of Judah (aka Judea) - Map including the West Bank, Gaza, and Golan Heights, with its capital of (what is now EAST) Jerusalem / “Old City”; between 110 BCE / 754 BH and 63 BCE / 706 BH:

(upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Hasmonean_kingdom.jpg)



> > Why then do we refer to a “Return” of some Jewish exiles? While there is unbroken Jewish presence in the land of Israel from Biblical times, some Jewish exiles wished to return to their ancestral homeland of Israel. The clue is in the name:

“Jew” refers to the citizens of “Judah” / Israel.





> > The League of Nations in 1922 resurrecting the name “Palestine” from Roman occupation, authorized a British Mandate; an administrative region ruled by a foreign imperial power. The JEWS of British Mandate Palestine were Palestinian:

Extracts - Three British “Government of Palestine” passports. PDF pages: P1 Arab name, PP2-3 Jewish name, P4 Sources:

(mediafire.com/file/ujn6hdhod9w07yl/British_Mandate_Passports_P1_Arab_name_PP_2-3_Jewish_name_P4_URLs.pdf/file)

The Media of the time referred to Mandate inhabitants, as:

“Palestinian Arabs”, / “Palestinian Jews”, or as: “Arabs” / “Jews”.





> > The prior Ottoman Turkish empire did not use any such political name as “Palestine”, but rather Ottoman-occupied Judah / Israel was within the Ottoman province of “Syria”.



> > The “Palestinian Arabs” dropped the name “Arab” so you should not understand they mostly originate from Foreign-Arab-Migrant-Workers who came to the land of Israel just prior to, and during, the British Mandate - See “Arab Immigration to Historic Palestine: A Survey”, by Richard Mather:

http://www.mideastoutpost.com/archives/arab-immigration-to-historic-palestine-a-survey-by-richard-mather.html



> > The “Palestinian” Arabs having considered themselves to be Arab only, this is why they were opposed to being called a “People” until the 1960’s, when they decided it fitted with their intention to steal the land of Israel from its indigenous Jews:

(targetofopportunity.com/palestinian_truth.htm)



> > Israel (size of New Jersey state in the U.S., or Wales in the U.K.) was Re-established in 1948 following a United Nations Partition Plan which had sought to set up two states, one Jewish and one Arab. However, it takes more than one party to make an agreement:

(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine)



> > The then Palestinian Jewish Community accepted the U.N. Partition Plan, while in 1947 the “Palestinian” Arabs commenced a civil war to oppose it, instead take ALL the land, and expel (or murder) the Jews. Arab countries also attacked with the same objectives, but the Arabs lost the war.

However, Jordan illegally-occupied the West Bank, and also East Jerusalem from which the Jordanians expelled the Jews.

Egypt illegally-occupied the Gaza strip. Neither of them offered any area to the “Palestinian” Arabs.



> > Jordanian illegal-occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem:

(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordanian_annexation_of_the_West_Bank)





> > Egyptian illegal-occupation of Gaza:

(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Gaza_Strip_by_Egypt)



> > Let us also not forget that when the News Media refers to "Arab East Jerusalem", it also typically fails to mention that the Jews were expelled from East Jerusalem (the "Old City") by the Jordanians in 1948:

(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_East_Jerusalem_under_Jordanian_occupation)



> > “Palestinian” Arab propaganda falsely-alleges the Re-establishment of Israel caused: a “great injustice” / “nakba” (“catastrophe” / “disaster”) to the “Palestinian” Arabs.

In reality:

 > The “Palestinian” Arabs violently rejected the Arab state of the U.N. Partition Plan;

 > Jordan and Egypt occupied the land proposed for an Arab state under the U.N. Partition Plan (approximating to the West Bank and Gaza);

 > BOTH Arabs and Jews, became war-refugees;

 > The Palestinians falsely-claim with no evidence of any such policy that they were expelled from the land; Jews were indeed expelled by the Arabs as policy.

 > “Palestinian” Arabs live and work in Israel.

Therefore the reader is entitled to be skeptical about “Palestinian” Arab propaganda alleging a fantasy-injustice.



> > Some Arab refugees had owned land / homes in the land of Israel, but private land / home ownership does not of itself amount to proof of entitlement to the sovereignty of the country in which a community lives.

Some “Palestinian” Arabs have Israeli citizenship, while most refuse it because they falsely-claim ALL the land of Israel.



> > In 1967 Israel gained control of the West Bank and Gaza and as an attempt at “land for peace” under the Oslo Accords, granted the “Palestinian” Arabs autonomy of part of the West Bank (40%) and the whole of Gaza (anticipating a peace treaty until when the land remains Israel’s).

Afterwhich the Palestinians:

 > Do not sincerely negotiate any peace treaty.

 > Make an unverifiable false-claim to ALL the land of Israel.

 > Want to expel the Jews from the Jews ancestral-homeland of Israel.

 > Attack Israeli Jewish civilians as policy including children.

No wonder anti-Semites display such emotional-support for the “Palestinian” Arabs !



> > Israel is often accused of being in breach of United Nations resolutions. This is because the “Palestinian” Arabs start-off in U.N. votes by enjoying a block-vote in their favor of up to 56 Arab and additional Islamic-aligned countries (e.g. U.N. member states that are also members of the “Organization of Islamic Cooperation”), and influence of Arab oil money with consequential trading power; compared to Israel’s one vote.



> > U.N. resolutions on Israel give the appearance of having been drafted for the U.N. by Palestinian-Propaganda-Central in Ramallah.

Fully-complicit with “Palestinian” Arab propaganda falsely-denying Jewish roots in the Jews ancestral homeland of Israel, both the U.N and European Union regard the Jewish People as “invaders” thus as “thieves” and “illegal-occupiers”, of the Jews OWN land (of prior Jewish kingdoms of Judah / Israel - Map see source above), thus of building “illegal-settlements”, with Palestinian terrorism falsely-considered as: “resistance to occupation”.

The Jews then, the only people in the world falsely and perversely accused of having “stolen” and “illegally-occupying”, their own ancestral homeland of Israel.



> > The “Palestinian” Arabs obtained a unique bogus inheritable refugee status from the Arab-dominated U.N, for bundling with their dishonest “right of return” as a fraudulent means of invading Israel - see:

(mediafire.com/file/tw84ikb2ojokh5x/Ploni_Almoni_now_Anonymous_Answer_Palestinian_Refugees.pdf/file)



> > Supporting the “Palestinian” Arabs is NO support for any two-state solution. Why? The “Palestinian” Arabs deceive the world they seek a two-state solution, whereas in reality they falsely-claim ALL the land of Israel (to none of which do they have any verifiable-claim) and seek to expel or murder the Jews. This is clear from what is taught by the Palestinian education system and “Palestinian National Charter”.





> > > > I hope this helps.



> > Robert.

Answer 3

It seems so stupid. But Israel is Jewish and Palestine is Muslim. They are both Abrahamic religions. But humans will be humans; assume the stranger is an enemy.