Question:
Yes yes 6 million jews - but what about the rest of the dead ?
2007-04-07 20:11:58 UTC
All my life I have heard about the 6 million Jews killed in ww2 .

Yes it is a pretty horrid and unimaginable thing. I can't and won't even try to imagine the what's and how's of the thing .

But an estimated 72 to 80 million died in that war as soldiers

8-10 million civilains (not in concentrations camps) died

Some 25 million Russians died fighting that war -

The camps (no #'s for that one sorry) contained a fair number of Gypsy's homosexuals and the "sub human" race of slavics - Comunists etc

I am not trying to take anything away from the Jewish people - but they were certainly not alone in those camps and there were a lot more than 6 million Jews killed -

Why is it though I only hear about the 6 million ?

The rest somehow don't count ? We forgot ?
Twelve answers:
j
2007-04-08 02:09:49 UTC
Most people know about the Jews and I do not discount them in any way. Everyone in the Camps suffered. Everyone.



Most people, however, do not know about the Gypsies. Holocaust historians and museums tend to overlook us. Thankyou, Trout, for recognizing us. Thankyou for recognizing all who were slaughtered.



These were not military deaths. These were innocent lives of non-combatants.



Here, if you wish to look, is a question where I answered specifically about the Roma and Sinti (Gypsies) in the Holocaust:



https://answersrip.com/question/index?qid=20070325090049AAEgYPE



Gypsies were like the Jews: both groups were targeted for complete liquidation based upon nothing more than being deemed undesirable "races".
blueevent47
2007-04-07 20:30:18 UTC
First of all, the number of dead in World War II--by latest and best estimates--is 60-65 million. Nevertheless, it is an enormous number. Gypsies, homosexuals, and several other groups of "undesirables" brought that number who died in the concentration camps to approximately 9 million.



But consider: that 6 million represents 10% of the total number, and almost all of them civilians. Moreover, unlike the Russians (whose 20 million deaths during the war included many who died at Stalin's hands) and the Poles, and any of a number of ethnic groups, Jews were specifically targeted for special persecution and execution. It was genocide. That distinguishes rather significantly from millions of others who suffered.



Consider, too, that the extermination of European Jewry in no small part created the conditions for Hitler persecuting World War II. In other words, a large part of the invasions of eastern Europe were motivated the National Socialist ideology of Anti-Semitism.



Other genocides in the twentieth century occurred as well: the Armenians, the Ukranians, the Hutu and Cambodians all suffered in the hundreds of thousands or more. You are comparing apples and oranges, when you should be comparing systematic exterminations of peoples.
KERMIT M
2007-04-07 20:38:49 UTC
An estimated 12 million people were killed in the Holocaust. Only about 6 million were Jewish. One of the eye opening events in my life was my 1985 visit to Dachau. Dachau was one of the earliest concentration camps and initially housed political prisoners and other folks declared undesirable by the Third Reich. There is a memorial on the grounds dedicated to a Catholic Order that was exterminated at the camp.



You are right to ask about the other 6 million, because truly the world has forgotten about the others who perished in the Nazi prison and deathcamps. And while we are at it, we need to consider the millions who perished after Eastern Europe fell under Stalin's heel.



As you point out, we must not diminish the horrors experienced by the Jewish Race, which more than any other was singled out for extermination by the Nazis, but neither can we forget the other millions who also suffered and died at the hands of the Nazis.
2007-04-07 20:18:50 UTC
I would distinguish between people who died in the WAR and people in died in the HOLOCAUST.



The way in which the Jews were singled out as a people and systematically exterminated was unprecedented.



However, I agree that the 6 million Gypsies, homosexuals, political dissidents, mentally handicapped, etc. who were killed should also be acknowledged as victims of the Holocaust.
2007-04-07 20:25:32 UTC
The rest still count (although I think 72 to 80 million soldiers is considerably high). The 6 million are such a big deal because they were rounded up and exterminated. The soldiers who died were killed prosecuting the war. Some of the civilians were 'collateral' deaths, that is, unintended deaths attributed to combat operations. Other civilians were the actual targets (ie, strategic bombing of Germany and Japan and the 2 atomic bombs). Of all of these people the only ones who had no means of escape were the Jews who got rounded up. They were also the only ones exterminated by their own government (the Nazi occupation).
ohbrother
2007-04-07 20:30:43 UTC
Go to Washington D.C. and visit the memorials there and the National Cemetery at Arlington Va. The National Cemetery's around the country. Then go to Normandy in France, there are two cemetery's there that are owned and maintained by the United States and run by our citizens. We are loosing our WW2 vets at about a thousands a day. They are not forgotten.
chunkymonkey
2007-04-07 20:18:35 UTC
Every life couts. Jews rallied together after this autrocity. But TRUE they don't own all the grief. Old, little children, mothers with babies, all perished. Jews hold onto WW2 like it is theirs only.
yupchagee
2007-04-07 20:18:16 UTC
Yes you are trying to take something away from Jews. aprox 1/2 of those murdered in camps were Jewish. Aprox 1/3 of all Jews in the world at that time were murdered in the camps. The world Jewish population is lower now than it was in the 1930's. The Jewish experience was different. It was only the Jews who Hitler wanted to eradicate from the Earth.
RS
2007-04-07 20:18:08 UTC
Soldiers and civilians - there is a difference. A soldier protects civilians. I have utmost regards for Soldiers - and the fact that they lay down their lives for protection.



WWII is a very painful memory for me. I am thankful for the saviors - and I thank them from all my heart.
Nort
2007-04-07 20:18:06 UTC
It's not that all the others don't count, But the Jews were accosted as a group. Genecide is always bad and thats why it got headlines. But nobody forgot the rest.
Real Estate Para Legal
2007-04-07 20:24:13 UTC
I am not a jew but the others you are quoting about were the result of the war...not genocide....killing in or as a result of combat is one thing...the slaughter of a unarmed

non-combatant race is another....
2007-04-07 20:27:31 UTC
The Holocaust, Take Two

By Jay D. Homnick

Published 12/13/2006 12:07:28 AM

Four or five years ago, I was spending a sunny Sunday in the Miami Metro Zoo, content to just be tall, dark and handsome for a day without wearing my Jewishness on my sleeve. A man about seventy, Italian-American in appearance and inflection, approached me and asked if he could share something with me for a moment. We sat down on a bench and this is the story he told.



"I was drafted into the United States Army at the end of World War Two but actual combat had ended before we shipped out. They sent us to Berlin in early 1946 as part of the force that policed Germany in the postwar phase and oversaw its reconstruction. When our unit arrived, they took us to our sleeping quarters and gave us a nice meal. Then, before we were given any assignments, we were brought into a large room that had been set up as a makeshift theater with a large screen on the front wall. There were Army men stationed along the wall; each one had a mop and a bucket.



"When we were seated, the lights went out and a film began to play on the screen. They showed us footage of concentration camps being liberated, of living skeletons tottering around, of corpses in gigantic piles, horrors beyond what any of us could imagine. One by one, we all got up and staggered into the aisles to retch. That's what the mops and buckets were for; those guys were used to this; they just went through the aisles mopping.



"Then a Colonel got up at the front of the room and announced: 'Now you know what these animals are, go out and treat them like they deserve.' I never told this to anyone before but I saw you were Jewish so I had to tell you." So much for suave and debonair Jay, citizen of the world. If the enemy knows I am a Jew, better that my friend knows, too.





I FIRST LEARNED OF THE HOLOCAUST at age seven. It was 1965, and the press was documenting the twentieth anniversary of Victory-Europe Day. The Sunday Times Magazine devoted a special pictorial issue to the occasion, replete with the images of brutality. I asked my father to explain it, and he filled me in a little.



Later that very day, we went to his father's house, and I watched together with my Grandpa as hours of documentary film was shown. One image I could never shake: some kind of a ramp angled into a mass grave, with Jewish bodies being loaded on top and then sliding down the chute to land in an anonymous mass of human rubble.



For me, that was the end of the innocence.





IT WAS NOT UNTIL LATE IN HER LIFE, circa 1985, that my mother's mother told me her story. I knew that she had a slight accent, but I also knew she had graduated from high school in the Bronx in 1939, hardly a midlife immigrant. And I knew her six living brothers and sisters. As a child, we had gone to visit her mother, ninetyish and mostly senile, in a nursing home somewhere in Brooklyn. Now she was getting older and I already had children of my own; she was ready to talk.



"We lived in a small town we called Freestag, near Neusanz, in the part of Poland known as Galicia. We were nine kids, six boys and three girls. My father was a stockbroker in the Bourse in Cracow. He would come home by train Friday for the weekend, always with a little trinket for the girls, then head back on Sunday afternoon. He was very alert to the political situation and he decided to get out when Hitler was elected in Germany in 1933. He went to America by himself. Within two years, he was successful enough that he sent visas for my mother and all the kids.



"My two eldest brothers, Joseph and Herschel, were married already and chose not to leave. They were killed later, along with wives and children. My mother went to a Hassidic rabbi known as the Koleschitzer, a grandson of Rabbi Chaim of Sanz, and asked if she should go. He told her the Nazis were a great power ('grosser macht') and if she was fortunate enough to have visas she should go. 'Will my children remain Jews in America?' she asked. Not to worry, he said. So my mother and the seven of us came. Someday, if it's possible, I hope you could see to it someone is named after my brothers.



"My late husband, your grandfather, would send visas to his relatives as soon as he could make enough money where the State Department let him sign the affidavits guaranteeing their support. In the end, he only could save his two brothers, and he always felt guilty he had not managed to save uncles and cousins who perished."





HOLOCAUST DENIERS HAVE GATHERED IN IRAN for a conference hosted by the government, presided over by this fiend Ahmadinejad. For a sovereign nation to take such a step is unimaginable. For its leaders to speak freely in the United Nations, flitting about New York City without incident or protest, is inconceivable. For that entity to be declaring its intent to destroy Israel and repeat this hellish crime is unfathomable.



And for it to be building nuclear weaponry without drawing a credible military challenge is unconscionable.


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