Question:
Hitler wasn't a socialist? Then explain this quote?
2009-07-18 03:06:40 UTC
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

No, that wasn't Marx, it was Hitler, in a speech given May 1, 1927. May Day. Also explain what the term Nazi is short for.
Thirteen answers:
2009-07-18 05:08:24 UTC
People can say anything & not fit a label. Hitler was an go-maniac, interested in his own power & glory, like Obama...only thing is, Hitler was GOOD at it.
Shinigami
2009-07-21 16:42:06 UTC
That was 1927, before Hitler rose to power (I'm pretty sure, I'll check in a second), he lied to the German public in order to gain support by telling them what they wanted to hear - that he was socialistic.



Did you read past the first three words?

"system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance"



He's talking about being fair and good to people. Now compare that with what actually happened under his rule in Germany. Isn't it obvious he was lying for support.
DLM
2009-07-18 03:44:25 UTC
How come you never ask questions in A&S? At least with those, I would have a better background to be able to give you a good answer.



It is my understanding (be it, that understanding is from a High School education on social studies, and I will be the first to admit, in Social Studies and Language courses, my mind tended to drift off a lot... notice all the grammatical and spelling errors, even after spell check, for you proof on that), that the National Socialist party fit a more fascist placement on the political spectrum than a socialist one.



That statement, does indeed to appear to have some socialist properties to it.



Then again, my ex girlfriend calls herself a liberal, despite the fact she is very conservative on economic issues. Her assessment would be 100% accurate on non-economy related issues, so where does one place her politically?



I have always viewed Hitler, and the Nazi party in general to be on the extreme left. Not because I researched it, but because that's what I took out of an education system I was exposed to on a topic I was uninterested in.



Still, I do see the point of your question. Hitler, based on that specific quote, does appear to have a more of a socialistic stance than a liberal one.
2009-07-18 03:45:00 UTC
you ask, but do you really want to know, or have you already made up your mind? convinced that hitler was some sort of socialist instead of a power mad lunatic? i don't know why i bother...



/making coffee



look at the date, may, '27. hitler had just been in a struggle with the socialists of the NSDAP led by Gregor Strasser and his brother Otto. they had been promoting the socialist element in the party's program in the Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Gauleiter Nord-West (the northern party members). Goebbels, formerly aligned with them had joined Hitler, and the had defeated the Strasser faction at the Bamberg Conference in '26 (see link). hitler was intent on consolidating his power. with the leadership behind him now he set out to bring the membership into the fold. since many of the NSDAP were serious socialists he had to lure them away from those ideas.



it was politics man. you know, sorta like the congressman that serves thirty years running on a platform of term limits. it boils down to it's not what you say, it's what you do. and hitler did fascism.



read some books. don't let propagandists do your thinking for you.
Boomer Wisdom
2009-07-18 16:18:22 UTC
Let's work together to get this straight.



Both International Socialists and National Socialists are State Capitalists: they control the means of production. Their enemy is Free-Enterprise Capitalism.



Once the National Socialists had dumped the Wiemar Republic (Centrist) and the Aristocracy (Kaiser, aka, for them the Right Wing---the terms don't translate to the modern era) Hermann Goering was writing about how much fun it was to go beat up "the other leftists" in the streets---meaning the communists.



The only difference between Hitler and Stalin is that Hitler had to quickly force industrialists to do his bidding in exchange for their lives. Stalin just killed industrialists and renamed their properties "People's Factory # so-and-so."



State Capitalism sucks, as do all Totalitarian systems.



Live free or die.
Lorenzo
2009-07-19 12:48:42 UTC
good quote, thanks. nazi memorabilia is full of hammers and sickles in addition to the occult symbolism



the Gestapo and the Soviet Secret police collaborated, and the Red Army created by Trotsky marched with the German one before the non-aggression pact was broken. Many bolshies served the Reich, many others supported it until Hitler broke the nonaggression pact with Stalin. Until then they were partners in looting and social engineering



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3uFUxMwA1w



the article mentioned at @2:15 is available upon request for pay at the newspaper archive



The inclusion of the book "The Revolution of Nihilism" on a free-reading site on the internet annoyed someone on staff enough that they replaced the text with a nonsense book.



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Canute
2009-07-18 12:18:58 UTC
There was no socialism in National Socialiam.



Hitler used the word "Socialist" to attract the votes of the working class. He didn't use it around industrialists like Krupp, Thyssen, etc., and the landowners.



Those who wanted more socialism in National Socialism, like Roehm and Strasser were purged in 1934.
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2016-05-26 21:46:47 UTC
They do not and Pat Robertson is not representative for a lot of good Christian folks. Any man that can spew out hate, is no more a Christian than my cat. What ever happened to love the sinner-- hate the sin, Pat Robertson is just barely ahead of Rev Phelps in the hate your neighbor department. Jenny for what it is worth you are my friend you are.
Mutt
2009-07-18 03:30:10 UTC
Nazi = National Socialist German Workers’ Party



But, in reality, they are much more closely aligned with fascism than socialism.



Think of it this way: How much democracy do Democrats really believe in?
Sarah
2009-07-18 03:28:55 UTC
National Socialism or Nazism was an ideology developed by a number of Germans, primarily Adolf Hitler. The Nazi Party was its German implementation. The term "national socialism," however, had already been current in German and Austrian politics since the 1890s and did not refer to either Marxian socialism or Nazism.

Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named "National Socialist." But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state. True socialism does not advocate such economic dictatorship -- it can only be democratic. Hitler's other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church.



Nazi Germany is a bitter joke. It was actually a combination of aristocracy and capitalism. Technically, private businessmen owned and controlled the means of production. The Nazi "Charter of Labor" gave employers complete power over their workers. It established the employer as the "leader of the enterprise," and read: "The leader of the enterprise makes the decisions for the employees and laborers in all matters concerning the enterprise." (1)



The employer, however, was subject to the frequent orders of the ruling Nazi elite. After the Nazis took power in 1933, they quickly established a highly controlled war economy under the direction of Dr. Hjalmar Schacht. Like all war economies, it boomed, making Germany the second nation to recover fully from the Great Depression, in 1936. (The first nation was Sweden, in 1934. Following Keynesian-like policies, the Swedish government spent its way out of the Depression, proving that state economic policies can be successful without resorting to dictatorship or war.)



Prior to the Nazi seizure of power in 1933, worker protests had spread all across Germany in response to the Great Depression. During his drive to power, Hitler exploited this social unrest by promising workers to strengthen their labor unions and increase their standard of living. But these were empty promises; privately, he was reassuring wealthy German businessmen that he would crack down on labor once he achieved power.

Once in power, Hitler showed his true colors by promptly breaking all his promises to workers. The Nazis abolished trade unions, collective bargaining and the right to strike. An organization called the "Labor Front" replaced the old trade unions, but it was an instrument of the Nazi party and did not represent workers. According to the law that created it, "Its task is to see that every individual should be able… to perform the maximum of work." Workers would indeed greatly boost their productivity under Nazi rule. But they also became exploited. Between 1932 and 1936, workers wages fell, from 20.4 to 19.5 cents an hour for skilled labor, and from 16.1 to 13 cents an hour for unskilled labor. Yet workers did not protest. This was partly because the Nazis had restored order to the economy, but an even bigger reason was that the Nazis would have cracked down on any protest.
Arunima
2009-07-18 04:48:25 UTC
National Socialism or Nazism was an ideology developed by a number of Germans, primarily Adolf Hitler. The Nazi Party was its German implementation. The term "national socialism," however, had already been current in German and Austrian politics since the 1890s and did not refer to either Marxian socialism or Nazism.

Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named "National Socialist." But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state. True socialism does not advocate such economic dictatorship -- it can only be democratic. Hitler's other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church.



Nazi Germany is a bitter joke. It was actually a combination of aristocracy and capitalism. Technically, private businessmen owned and controlled the means of production. The Nazi "Charter of Labor" gave employers complete power over their workers. It established the employer as the "leader of the enterprise," and read: "The leader of the enterprise makes the decisions for the employees and laborers in all matters concerning the enterprise." (1)



The employer, however, was subject to the frequent orders of the ruling Nazi elite. After the Nazis took power in 1933, they quickly established a highly controlled war economy under the direction of Dr. Hjalmar Schacht. Like all war economies, it boomed, making Germany the second nation to recover fully from the Great Depression, in 1936. (The first nation was Sweden, in 1934. Following Keynesian-like policies, the Swedish government spent its way out of the Depression, proving that state economic policies can be successful without resorting to dictatorship or war.)



Prior to the Nazi seizure of power in 1933, worker protests had spread all across Germany in response to the Great Depression. During his drive to power, Hitler exploited this social unrest by promising workers to strengthen their labor unions and increase their standard of living. But these were empty promises; privately, he was reassuring wealthy German businessmen that he would crack down on labor once he achieved power.

Once in power, Hitler showed his true colors by promptly breaking all his promises to workers. The Nazis abolished trade unions, collective bargaining and the right to strike. An organization called the "Labor Front" replaced the old trade unions, but it was an instrument of the Nazi party and did not represent workers. According to the law that created it, "Its task is to see that every individual should be able… to perform the maximum of work." Workers would indeed greatly boost their productivity under Nazi rule. But they also became exploited. Between 1932 and 1936, workers wages fell, from 20.4 to 19.5 cents an hour for skilled labor, and from 16.1 to 13 cents an hour for unskilled labor. Yet workers did not protest. This was partly because the Nazis had restored order to the economy, but an even bigger reason was that the Nazis would have cracked down on any protest.

Source(s):

William Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1960), Hitler, quoted in Alan Bullock, Hitler: A Study in Tyranny, abridged edition, (New York: HarperCollins, 1971), p. 228.



Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, trans. by Ralph Manheim (Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company, 1962), pp. 393-4.
2009-07-18 03:14:16 UTC
Sounds good.. Except for the fact the Hitler was a racist, and also thought people born with "problems" should be exterminated...



There's no comparison here to a psycho..



Jeffery Dahlmer was a christian.. Should all Christians follow his beliefs??
2009-07-18 03:24:53 UTC
If hitler was alive today he'd hate Obama


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