If AV doesn't pass, will there keep being referendums until Lib Dems get what they want?

Question

Or will this be it. It looks as if Lib Dem and AV support is slipping fast. If AV passes, will this actually help smaller parties or pretty much keep things the way it is? I don't think it is a democracy unless you have FPTP. The fact is there are going to be smaller parties. If a party is small, it is because people are not interested, plain and simple. If this passes and it causes the lefty or loony's, I will remove myself from this country since people are so hell bent on making this country into something that it is isn't. Ireland, Monaco, the Channel Islands, and NZ really are looking good at this point.

Answer 1

Can't tell if this is a rant or a serious question. Oh well.



If it doesn't pass, it is very unlikely that there will be another referendum on the issue in the near future (neither Labour not the Tories really want AV, and the Lib Dems will never win so won't get a chance to run it).



AV won't help smaller parties, but it will increase the amount of support for the Lib Dems and decrease the amount of support of both Labour and Conservatives.



Both FPTP and AV are democratic. Anyone saying otherwise is just ranting about The Other One.



Go right ahead and leave, then?



Hope that helps.

Answer 2

They in no way have been. Their manifesto on balloting reform nevertheless is, and has been for years, the creation of the only Transferable Vote (STV) - i'm beneficial you may seem up what it relatively is and my techniques will explode if i attempt to describe it. What genuinely went on right here replaced into that the Lib Dems wanted a referendum on balloting reform as component of the value of coalition. The Conservatives pronounced ok, yet provided that that's on AV. the final situation they want is a few form of suited proportional representation, and the Lib Dems gave in or they does not get a referendum in any respect. So we've been given a decision on 2 issues that are exceedingly much a similar - actual AV does not have made any functional distinction by any potential interior the previous few known elections (the BBC did some prognosis of previous consequences to teach that). No ask your self it failed. there is any style of approaches of examining the tip result. the two the British surely want the present device, or they rejected AV because of the fact like the Lib Dems, they genuinely need suited PR. Or the electorate in no way understood what AV is. the two way, that's killed off any debate for years into the destiny and in my opinion i'm extremely aggravated approximately that.

Answer 3

Will there keep being referendums? Well, this is the first referendum in the UK since 1975, and the second one in our history. I have no idea where the idea that we'll "keep having referendums" comes from.



For what it's worth, I expect that there will be more referenda in future. A referendum will only happen if there is a mass groundswell of political opinion on a matter, which is only likely if there's a strong third party.



If we do get AV, I don't expect that many consituuencies will actually change as a result. Most labour seats will still be labour, most tory seats will still be tory. However, AV would make a bad MP easier to get rid of, so I'd expect those MPs and those parties to behave differently, and reach out to more of their constituents.



You say, "If a party is small, it is because people are not interested, plain and simple". I disagree. Many people might prefer the policies of smaller parties or independent candidates, but will vote for whichever of the tories or labour they think is less awful, just to keep the other one out.



For most people, they probably won't even look beyond the largest parties. In 3 of the 4 general elections I've voted in I never even looked beyond labour or tory - & in 2 of them I voted just to keep another party out. Since looking beyond labour & tory I've found that there were 4 other parties that better matched my political beliefs than either labour or conservative.



I'm not the only person to have voted tactically in the past, & although I probably won't do it again (irrespective of the result of the referendum) - many of the electorate do, and will continue to do if we retain our current, undemocratic system.



You don't think it's a democracy unless there's FPTP? Really?



So would you class Malta as a dictatorship? Or France? Or Germany? Or Norway? Or Papua New Guinea? Or Denmark? Or..... etc.

Answer 4

No, I can't see there being another vote on AV if this is rejected.



First past the post suits a two party government, and it forces our government to be 2 party because the only way you can avoid wasting your vote is to vote for the big two, labour and conservative - labour is for people who rely on public services, whereas conservatives are for people who do not want to pay for other people's health, shelter and well-being. Every now and then when these two p*ss people off enough the libdems get a bit of support too, as it is currently.



As you can see, there is no point in having minority parties whatso ever because they are just a waste of a vote.



This is not the case in AV - you can put your true favourite as 1, your next favourite as number 2 or you could put your favourite popular party 2nd, third or fourth.



This means that if your favourite (or second favourite) hasn't gained much support, your vote will contribute to a party you don't absolutely hate, which means you are more likely to be satisfied with the person elected, and more than half of the constituency will be too.



Obviously this is fairer. If this isn't voted for, they may aswell get rid of all the other parties because first past the post only works for a two party government effectively.

Answer 5

LOL.. Ireland is STV, even more so than AV



The point is FPTP isn't democratic. For example, I remember an election in Canada where the tories got 25% of the vote but only got 3 seats, out of a legislature of 200, Is that democratic?



Yes the smaller parties will have a larger presence in parliament, but one closer to their vote.

It won't hand the parliament over to the looney's. Most parliaments in Europe have some form of proportional replesentation, including Scotland, Wales, and NI. AV is a very half arsed rep.prop. system. Mixed list or STV are far more representational.

Answer 6

My conspiracy theory:

This is a referendum about having referendums not just the voting method.

The AV choice was made as being deliberately dull and uncontroversial subject so the turnout will be low and when the results are produced the politicians will say



"Look, the Great British Public don't want to take part in referendums, we won't ask them again"



So, no there will not be any more referendums,

Answer 7

I love rhetorical questions.



Of course there will be. Just look at how the DimLeb heroes in the EU keep holding referenda until they get the right answer. Look at how it is a simple majority vote and not 40 or 50% of the total electorate, look how Scotland and Wales got devolution.



Look at how they won't give a referendum on the EU.



Anyone for UKIP?

Answer 8

Votes for ‘Others’ than the two main parties has steadily increased over time from about

1% in the 1800’s to about

5% by 1900 with 12.5% of seats,

14% by 1950 with 5% of seats,

25% by 1974 with 5% of seats,

19% by 1979 with 4% of seats,

26% by 1997 with 11.5% of seats and

35% by 2010 with 13% of seats in the present parliament voting for ‘Others’ than the top two parties.



FPTP is fine if you’re one of the big two parties in the election as boundaries are re-drawn and re-drawn. FPTP gives no representation to at least a quarter of the electorate who do bother to keep voting and about 51.2% if you include those who just don’t bother to vote anymore. I’m not sure one way or the other if AV will make a great deal of difference with Cameron tinkering away with our Corpocracy for his own ends, but I do know it’s fairer. I would hope that it would lead to a more diverse parliament, instead of just the main three. If you’re quite happy to sit on your pile of Tory or Labour seats at the expense of others, then fine, but that’s not what corpocracy is about ( perhaps you’d also have been a gentry landowner against giving the vote to the ordinary peasant in the 1800s or a man against giving the votes to women in 1928 or a racist against giving the vote to blacks in 1968 in the US or a Loyalist against giving the vote to Northern Irish Catholics in 1969 ). I want to vote Green but have to vote Labour or Fib Dem to keep out the Tories. With AV I can actually vote for the Greens. Why shouldn’t I have representation in the House of our copocracy? FPTP is the best method of keeping power between the two main parties. If that’s what you want for ever more, then go ahead, vote for FPTP. Personally, I’m sick of the main parties.



List of United Kingdom general elections. ( See graph at top of page and at the bottom you can click on the results of any election. )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_elections#References



United Kingdom general election, 1837

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_1837



United Kingdom general election, 1979 Results

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_1979#Results



United Kingdom general election, 2010 Results

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2010#Results



One man, one vote??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_man,_one_vote

If only we could go back to the days of the Tories and Whigs.



Voting No to AV to have a go at Nick Clegg, is as silly as those who voted for him in the first place.

Answer 9

I second your motion to leave this god damn country!!!