Question:
The Russia thing is pretty much a ruse, right?
?
2017-06-18 22:43:47 UTC
Look, I voted for Obama, I didn't vote for Trump, he's obviously a mentally unstable moron being led like a blind dog by his corporatist advisors, but I just don't think the "Russia" thing is a winning issue for the Democrats.

Why? Because people care about the economy. $. Especially nowadays. And democrats have been oddly quiet and hesitant putting forth a progressive economic reform; like, you never hear them talk about that.

Why not? Talk about that; talk about universal health care; affordable housing; subsidized tuition; jobs programs.

The republicans already have the xenophobia markers cornered. Cold War nostalgia will only take you so far.

And let's be honest, Putin will get away with this. Putin staged an attack on his own people to invade Chechnya, he kills journalists routinely and guess what? He covers his tracks. "Accusations" he calls them, and "accusations" eventually go away in absence of clear, hard evidence.
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Armchair Goddess #1
2017-06-18 23:59:25 UTC
The "Russia thing" as you call the widespread interference by Russia in our democratic process and election, is a threat to each and every American, so it should not be seen as a one-party issue.



Hard-as-nails former head of the ruthless KGB (now GRU Russian military intelligence) Vladimir Putin is a short man, like Trump (who wears lifts), and like many short men, his ego is gigantic and he has a deep-rooted inferiority complex for which he overcompensates (also like Trump). The question to ask yourselves is: If power-lusting Putin could undermine the United States and democracy in general, would he? If yes, what is in it for Putin? To get to know this tiny tyrant, I recommend that you find "The Kleptocracy of Putin: Who Really Owns Russia?" available online, and realize you are dealing with a power-mad, cold-hearted, completely ruthless little bugger who has "visions of worldtakeover" running through his mean-eyed head.



Now, folks...get a copy of the 2016 book by David Cay Johnston, "The Making of Donald Trump" and read it with an open mind. Trump is corrupt to the core, raised by an even more corrupt slumlord dad who died in 1991 of Alzheimer's. Trump has no social conscience, and only cares about Trump, and this is shown in each well-documented page of the Johnston book. In terms of ties to Russia, look for the name Felix Sater, who was given offices on the 22nd floor of Trump Tower by Trump in 2002 when Sater became CEO of of the Russian-owned Bayrock Group development corporation after first getting caught by our FBI while a stockbroker in New York setting up a $40 million stock fraud scheme that was designed to open new inroads into Wall Street for LA COSA NOSTRA crime families, some of whom Trump has done business over the years. Sater's job as partner was to prospect for potential building sites for Trump buildings, and Trump gave Sater the rights to negotiate in his [Trump's] name for sites in Moscow and all over the Russian BLOC (Johnston, 2016). How is this related to the campaign year "Russia thing"? Felix Sater is the Russian-born son of the Russian MAFIA CRIME BOSS operating here in the U.S. Sater is also awaiting a sentence for having laundered money for the Russian MAFIA---maybe while working as Trump's "Senior Business Consultant"---something an investigation of the "Russia thing" will surely show.



For those of you who wish to dig further and have some techie skills, look up the website for Tea Pain (full name Thomas Addison Pain), at WordPress.com, and the article entitled, "Jared Kushner's Stealth Russian Data Machine." Throughout most of the 2016 election, there was a three-way covert data swap uncovered by @LouiseMensch and @Conspiratoro on Twitter that was built upon by data analyst Pain, where three different servers were used to funnel data to (and from) Russia's ALFA bank, the DeVos-owned Spectrum Health in Michigan, and Trump Tower. Pain saw the data patterns analyzed by Conspiratoro and recognized "Data Base Replication" which he charted in detail, showing periods of "PING" activity, then long periods of "sleep" (perhaps to avoid detection). The charting of this PING activity helped Pain formulate a much clearer working model to explain what was going on during the election: "SQL SERVER DATABASE REPLICATION. Basically, from May 4th to September 23, 2016, a Trump Tower server transmitted directly to Russia's ALFA Bank. In the same time frame, identical DNS Traffic was ongoing between Trump Tower and the DeVos-owned Spectrum Health in Michigan. This should most definitely be investigated for collusion and possible racketeering, but it should also be determined whether the DeVos family involvement has anything to do with quid pro quo appointment of the utterly unqualified Betsy DeVos (sister to Erik Prince of mercenaries-for-hire Prince Group and founder of the evangelically right-wing murderous no-bid contractor Blackwater) to the position of Education Secretary. There is a lot to investigate here.



A total of 39 states have been victims of Russian hacks, to include phishing e-mails sent to multiple counties in these 39 states that would have taken over election officials' computers. Both Bloomberg News and the Rupert Murdoch-owned Wall Street Journal have verified that the hacking took place, and you can look up other examples yourselves. Try the recent hacking of our slot machines by a multi-state very well-organized Russian gang led by Razhden Shulaya, a Russian MAFIA master thief (like a crime boss), called a "vor" in Russia, who hooked up with right-wing Republican Aaron Nevins, a GOP political operative, in Florida.



There is no "ruse" about the efforts of Putin and Russia to destroy our sovereignty, undermine our economy, and interfere with our elections so that Putin can get his long-time puppet incompetent and sociopathic Trump into power. Hillary won the election. Just the GOP-governed states' voter suppression in key swing states would have given Hillary the real landslide of Electoral College votes. By having the GRU Russian military intel unit and its "lieutenants" (Gucifer 2.0, for example) hack into our voting machines (which there is some evidence they did), into the DNC headquarters (proven), into the private company VR Systems used to tally votes, and any phony right-wing voter registration tampering due to white nationalist Kansas AG Kris Kobach and his insane CROSSCHECK computer program that has registered voters with Hispanic, foreign, or Black names removed if those names show up on other states' registration rolls---based on the nut-job theory that if the name is spelled the same in multiple states (but only for "Black, Hispanic, or Asian" names), that this is one person trying to vote in multiple states at the same time. See? Russia is not the only one messing with our elections or colluding with the Trump campaign---the GOP appears to have done so as well.



I hope we can just oust the Nincompoop-in-Chief and all of his Russia-colluding cheat-to-"win" folks and start over by putting the LEGITIMATE #45 President in power: Hillary Rodham Clinton.
2017-06-23 23:29:41 UTC
Probably.
Mike S
2017-06-19 22:15:28 UTC
Let's see, there's 39 states where Russia hacked the voting machinery.

I'd say that's bothersome.

I agree It would be great if the D.N.C. would actually start supporting the citizenry, but we live in a country where the government & it's functions have been pretty much completely captured by the private sector, our "representatives" only answer to their primary donors, in the past 20 years when it's come to a court decision involving the people Vs. a special interest the people have won about 5% of the time, which explains why the Koch brothers & other extraction industries won out over solar & wind energy even though solar provided twice as many jobs as coal while involving only about 2% of our current grid where coal supplies about 26%.....

So of course the powers that be sidelined Bernie from the get-go, he's actually way too disruptive to the current kleptocratic status quo.

Honestly, with the current status of job security it's probably time to start talking about things like guaranteed incomes, which Richard Nixon almost signed into law back in the 70's.
?
2017-06-19 18:01:56 UTC
Yes, it is and you are a moron if you can't see that.
Minister of Truth
2017-06-18 23:57:59 UTC
lol,



yeah, like watergate,



"phhhfftt...a 3rd rate burglary"
J M
2017-06-18 23:20:08 UTC
That is not the point. The point is that the "Russia" thing is evidence that another country attempted to meddle in our elections. That is a big deal. No one knows yet how far they may have gotten into our systems. It is a question of national security, it is not a joke.
The Oracle of Omigod
2017-06-18 23:15:06 UTC
The "Russia thing" is rumors and innuendo which are made to look like news by people who want to bring this government to destruction. They are so angry that their chosen person didn't win after being told repeatedly by the liberal media that it was in the bag, that they would rather ruin the United States than acquiesce.
justa
2017-06-18 23:08:43 UTC
A ruse? No, that's an action intended to deceive. There is no deception going on regarding the contacts between various members of Trumps campaign staff. They only came under scrutiny when their calls turned up on the phones of Kislyak and other Russians. Seventeen intelligence agencies are aware of this and other actions by the Russians during the campaign. Flynn lied on his security clearance. Trump 'hoped' that the director of the FBI would end the investigation, something he could only 'hope' once he cleared the room.

Russia was instrumental in spreading propaganda during the campaign, that's how Hillary was 'dying'. Of course the hacking and the leaks were all designed to convince people more was going on with her then there actually was. After all Democrats supporting Democrats is hardly news. We spoke about universal coverage, and all the rest and the country didn't listen. Those in the middle of American went for the shiny thing. And all we offered was good and decent governance and it wasn't enough. Even that we had three million more votes than Trump didn't count. So maybe we need to let them have their way, and when enough damage is done to the citizens and the land and air, and our respect and reputation in the world, maybe then the country will have shrugged off its pique and fascination with shiny objects and look for some stability and good sense.
mommanuke
2017-06-18 22:54:04 UTC
If it doesn't bother you to know how much the Russians interfered in our election, I just have to shake my head. First, the whole thing must make you acknowledge the ignorance of the American people, that they will believe anything that's posted on Facebook or the like. For evidence of that, take the guy who actually traveled to DC to rescue the children in the sex slave operation in the basement of a pizza parlor! Does it not bother you that several states actually gave contracts to Russian companies to handle things like their voter registration lists? If a state government is stupid enough to do that, well, what can I say. Next time, they might give the contracts for their voter machines to them, too!



Then there is the fact of what they put their power behind. A man who cares about nothing but himself, just like Putin, only a man who is much stupider than Putin. A man who has weakened America's position in the world by massive amounts in less than 6 months. What do you think will happen in four years? Putin's main objective on everything, except of course for making money, is to make Russia the predominant power in the world. Fortunately, he's not going to accomplish that by lessening the US, because of China. So we will be #3, behind China and Russia.



So between the Russians and conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones, and the people who believe him, if nothing is done, the country is lost!
2017-06-18 22:48:15 UTC
The whole Russia thing is meant to waste time and our patience. Trump was never in collusion with the Russians. Remember? Trump wants to start a war with Putin.



The libs are out for blood because Trump is closing in on all of obama's illegal activities where he tried to "fundamentally change America."
2017-06-18 22:48:02 UTC
Maybe..no hard evidence of collusion yet..but enough remnants and threads there to warrant an investigation...and kind of makes us all wonder why Trump & his gang are going to such extremes to cover it up and even lie about Russian contacts, even when under oath. Why not just lay all their cards on the table if it is a ruse, and clear themselves once and for all?



We all know the answer...they are hiding something.
?
2017-06-18 23:56:58 UTC
Accusations and the blind faith of liberals. Liberals call everyone else conspiracy theorists when those people actually have evidence to support what they believe -- and liberals hypocritically, also have conspiracy theories, but their theories lack evidence and truth.
2017-06-18 23:03:18 UTC
Yup. Total Chinese fire drill based upon a fictitious memo about a hotel room in Moscow. The Evil Left lost, and badly so. They have to do something or they will go around the u-bend like the obama I took about an hour ago. Felt so good to rid my bowels of that heavy "Democrat-ness."
?
2017-06-18 22:54:23 UTC
The Russia thing is a TOTAL ruse!

The left is out of options and have no alternative but to falsely accuse everyone but themselves for their loss of nearly 1200 Seats at the State AND Federal levels.

The probability of the President appointing as many as TWO additional Conservatives Justices to the Bench of the Supreme Court strikes fear in their anger-filled minds.
Summertime
2017-06-18 22:48:38 UTC
No its not the Democrats. Lets be clear about this. This is an American thing. Not a Democrat thing. And if anyone out there has a problem investigating real scandals about a country such has Russia then they have no idea what they are up against., Where were you when a real witch hunt was on to attack Hillary Clinton?
Mr. Wolf
2017-06-18 22:48:20 UTC
Sure if you think all of our intelligence agencies are lying about Russia and more than 5 members of the Trump campaign lied about having contacts with Russian officials for no reason.
2017-06-18 22:45:01 UTC
You liberals are dying. This witch hunt against president Trump is all you have left. It's all that keeps you afloat. If it went away tomorrow so would you.


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