if a pastor preaches against gays and violence results?

Question

by members of his congregation against gays, should the pastor go to jail?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElgAkh86WTM&feature=related
and by the way, where in the Bible does it unambiguously discuss homosexulaity? chapter verse please

Answer 1

Leviticus 18:22



Leviticus 20:13



There are two passages. However, the problem with "preaching" against gays is inflammatory. It's one thing for a preacher to say he doesn't agree with it for religious reasons, but to incite hatred and name calling and all that crap is not only "un-christian" like, it's dangerous.



The truth of the matter is it doesn't matter what I or anyone else think about it. The bible also says not to judge one another but christians are the absolute best at doing this.



Live and let live is what I say. Who cares what someone else is doing as long as it doesn't effect me.

Answer 2

No he shouldn't go to jail- should a movie director of a violent movie go to jail just because somebody chooses to do what happens in the movie? A church is and should be free to preach what it wants as long as it isn't illegal (saying that homosexuality is not allowed of the church certainly isn't illegal and state must remain outside of the church). That's freedom of speech.

In Sodom and Gomorrah there is homosexual acts along with other acts of evil. Leviticus 18:22 and before someone quotes the old "OT" argument, let me say that this refers to moral law- NOT traditional (which was meant to make Israel different from surrounding nations and show their loyalty to God). Moral law still applies in the NT.

1 Corinthians 6:8 is NT and shows that homosexuality is not permitted of the church.

Some other verses:

Romans 1:26-27

Leviticus 20:13



Now let me say that I do not condemn homosexuals, I have nothing against them and I don't hate them at all. I disagree with their actions, but I do not hate them as people- in God's eyes all sins are equal, so homosexuality is no greater or lesser than lying or murder. I am not one to judge another's sin when I myself am one.



EDIT: You are correct when you say that homosexuality is no more wrong than any other sin, the problem is that there are a LOT of "gay pride" stuff around which is saying that it not only isn't sin, but that it's okay to sin. I don't hate a person that lies, but when they think that lying is okay and good, then things get iffy and I need to avoid them. See the difference? I still don't hate homosexuals, but I do hate the actions and this continuing thought process that it's okay to sin.

It would be much different if most homosexuals realized it was sin and did try to turn from it (then it would be like any other struggle humans have). Unfortunately almost all don't (or refuse to). And then to say that God is okay with it is going even further.



EDIT2: By the way, I am not defending or attacking the "preacher" in your link in any way. I am simply defending the Christian view of this according to the Biblical principles of God.

Answer 3

First did he take part in a violent act? The individuals involved are responsible. If he is preaching or teaching from the text he is entitled to free speech under the 1st Amendment. Yes if he participated in a violent act. Many times people will misuse scripture to bend it their way and historically resulted in violence against people because of race, gender or differing religious beliefs.

Answer 4

If a bartender over serves a customer and the customer drives and crashes into someone and kills them, should the bartender be arrested?



That's what the law states in most places now so I don't see a difference between these 2 scenerios.



Edit:

Also - wasn't Charles Manson convicted of and sentenced for murder even though he didn't do the killing?

He just told people to do it.

Answer 5

Maybe, if the legislation against "hate speech" becomes law. Remember, we are no longer a free people anymore. While there are traces of the Constitution still left in our laws, it is just a trace. The judges have "improved" on the Constitution to the point that it is barely recognizable.

Answer 6

My curiosity is, if you usher such a case to prosecution, how long before an Atheist evangelist (they have several programs in my town) is prosecuted because one of his/her converts goes ballistic on Christians?



I vote we stop using religion (or anti-religion) to generate hate. I've lost every election so far, but I am fool enough to keep voting.

Answer 7

hate crimes? hmmmm

even charlie manson is still in prison while a few of his sheeple run with the flock.



pastors keep people from free thinking and they have more to offer america but are restricted.

Answer 8

Romans 1: 26-27

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way, the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.



This is just one of about a dozen references to unnatural and forbidden sexual acts.



As to whether a pastor should be prosecuted...if he advocated violence...then the answer is yes. But to speak God's truth does not advocate violence.

Answer 9

Clearly violates the constitution. Regardless of the results.

Answer 10

Your preacher is a serial killer? How many notches does he have? Its hate the sin not the sinner.

Answer 11

Jesus preached to love thy fellow man

love thy enemy

Jesus was not violent

sometimes I wonder why some people bother to go to church if they are un-willing to listen to the word of GOD... which is love and peace

Answer 12

No of course not.

They are not forced to stay and listen.

like TV walk away.

That will be a bad day for this Country when they pass laws like that.

Answer 13

If the pastor orders his flock to commit the violence, yes. If the pastor merely states his opinion but does not order violence, no.



Look at Charlie Manson: he never put a knife into anyone. He just told his followers to go out and kill people--and they did. Does Manson belong in jail, or was he merely exercising his right to free speech?

Answer 14

Your question reminds me of Sarah Palin egging on her followers as they scream for Obama's lynching.

Answer 15

i know people in the past have been prosecuted for inciting crowds against minorities, then a black guy walks past and everyone turns on him

Answer 16

No the individuals who were violent should be held accountable.



Unless the pastor was a conspirator in the crime he has broken no law.



It is not illegal to hate anyone, it is illegal to violate another persons rights.

Answer 17

Homosexuals should be institutionalized just for being gay. Their nothing more than mental patients. I don't say this figuratively or jokingly either. They need help. God bless.





1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (New King James Version)



9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Answer 18

homosexuality is wrong, I will be back with the scripture in a bit







So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.



If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads



Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; it is an abomination.



# Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

# I Corinthians 6:9(NIV) - Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

# I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB) - "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."

# Jude 1:6-7 (NASB) - And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

Answer 19

"homosexuality is wrong, I will be back with the scripture in a bit"



LOL that one made my day

Answer 20

People don't have the right to incite violence, no more than they have the right to yell "Fire!" in a crowded building, or to intentionally libel people.

Answer 21

Hell no. It's those who actually do violence that should be held responsible, not the pastor.

Answer 22

FREE SPEECH!!!!!