One more time. Is Obama really not a natural born citizen?

Question

Ok, I just finished a few more hours of intense research regarding the status of Obama's citizenship and the attempted trials thereof.

It turns out that a foreign-born child resident of Hawaii with one U.S. citizen parent/resident of Hawaii is able to be issued a Certificate of Live Birth. Which is why the one up on Obama's site is not used as a legal document. Also, on his site it says that his father was a citizen of Kenya. This is true. It also says that do to this he was also a citizen of the U.K. due to the fact that Kenya was still a part of the U.K. This citizenship is canceled after his 21 birthday if he does not accept sole citizenship and reject his U.S. citizenship. This is also true. This was not able to be proven though, as Obama refuses to show any documentation. That is until the divorce papers from his mother and father were released, which backs those statements.

So, although he is no longer a U.K. citizen, and was a natural born U.S. citizen, because he was born into both, he has dual loyalties, much like conflict of interest and is thus not officially a natural born citizen, thus not able to be president.

He has avoided showing documents this far only because the constitution does not put anyone in charge of insuring his citizenship status. The supreme court has another hearing tonight for yet another lawsuit against Obama.



So, I guess my real question is... does anyone have information, not just speculation, that this information is incorrect? And sources please, I am trying to become as well informed on this subject as possible. Thanks.

Answer 1

All Fools, must be american and got their info from their own Media...lol..Dopes.. HE WAS BORN IN KENYA . You dont have to be born in america to become pres.... Take arnold for instance.But you will need to climb the ladder from the inside up.....................Before becoming pres,Here in Australia,we watched many documentries on his life and his muslim family in Kenya.......Not saying that he is now following the muslim faith..His name should give you a clue on his background a bit...Either way he is now your president who wants to take you out of the barbaric dark ages and help clean your dirty bloodied name abroad...You do know that you are the most hated Country in the world and so should support him in cleansing your dirty past.Support your president who is working for you........Obama is a champion....If you stood strong by the side of a baboon like bush then for surely you can stand strong by a real champion and leader like obama.....It will be a lot easier if he got rid of the filthy old administration and put in some new leaders.Needs to clean the engine from the inside out.......

Answer 2

The Hillary camp started this issue...not the Republicans...the team who is making the claims and charges are Democrats.



He is NOT a citizen based upon his mother being one...Hawaiian law, because of so many immigrants from communist countries, specifically states that the mother must not only be over 18, but she must have spent the last 5 years on US soil after the age of 14...so she failed that one, having lived in Kenya. The law was intended to prevent women coming here on vacation and giving birth to a US citizen and then invoking the mother's right to stay with her baby and thus become a resident herself. I am sorry if this upsets you, but it was their law...and his mom simply did not qualify.



When Obama traveled to Pakistan in college, he did so on an Indonesia Passport...and since Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship...I am guessing he was not a US citizen when he left there or when he traveled because Indonesia would have revoked it and/or it would have expired and not been reissued. The US was not allowing its citizens to travel to Pakistan those years because of the Iranian hostage crisis...hmmm....



Obama's sister says he was born in one Honolulu hospital and Obama is on record naming another...one of which was just barely built in 1964 and was not delivering babies, but now has the best birth center.



It would have been so easy for a mom with a toddler to use the sister's passport to get him into the states when she dumped and abandoned him with her parents in Hawaii...or not to provide one at all and to skip immigration...the assumption that her tot was US as was she.



The valid certificate was proven to be a forgery produced by FactCheck.org (Ayer's Annenburg Foundation site)...why do this if you have a real one? The Certificate you speak of is only issued on an emergency basis or when the child is definitely not eligible for a real birth certificate, having been born outside of the country. It is intended to allow him to be acknowledged as a resident...but not a citizen...so the mom can proceed to get welfare...which we know she did.



His Kenyan half-brother and grandmother both remember BEING AT THE HOSPITAL the night he was born...and we know his mom was there when she was pregnant...so that is no surprise...



No Hawaii hospital has a record of this birth...but that is where she says she flew while pregnant and delivered him...the Kenyan Maternity hospital does have such a record (now sealed) that says a baby boy was born to a US citizen caucasion mother named Barack Obama, Jr. in 1964...



At least understand why there are questions...even if you find this information upsetting.

Answer 3

For the billionth time... Obama was born in Hawaii, U.S.A.



I mean, really... will you and others like you ever give up on this idea? I know that this was one last hope of a few remaining Obama haters, but, experts have already looked into this. It was determined that his Hawaii birth certificate was legitimate... and he was sworn in to the Office of the President of the United States the other day by conservative Supreme Court Justice Roberts (who did a crap job, by the way).



It's over. The inauguration is complete. You and a handful of conspiracy theorists are the only ones still considering this.



Really. Give it up.

Answer 4

Ok the majority of y'all needs to shut the hell up and READ the whole d*** question. He is looking for information that PROVES that he was born a citizen of the US! He asked a legit question in a mature manner after doing research. It is our right to question our President. Show some maturity and don't answer if you can't respect someone mature enough to question the legitimacy of this issue without being bias about it!



He wasn't saying that he knew for a fact, 100% that he wasn't a born citizen he is just looking for some info.

Answer 5

Yes Obama was born in Kenya. Its also true that George Bush was born in North Korea, but he became president too.



In all honesty. There is irrefutable evidence that he was born in Hawaii (his birth certificate which he has indeed produced).

Answer 6

"It turns out that a foreign-born child resident of Hawaii with one U.S. citizen parent/resident of Hawaii is able to be issued a Certificate of Live Birth."



Even if that applied to him, if he had one US-citizen parent he would be a natural born citizen.



But at any rate, the head of the Hawaii department of vital statistics (or whatever it's called) said he's a natural born citizen.

Answer 7

This is the latest lawsuit against BO. brought forth by a BLACK man no less.

http://drorly.blogspot.com/2009/01/new-action-filed-by-orly-taitz-esq.html

This is a resource, a great place to start your research.

http://investigatingobama.blogspot.com/2009/01/obama-knew-he-wasnt-eligible-for-potus.html



The simple fact that BO traveled to Pakistan with his INDONESIAN

passport should really be the end of discussion, but his fans are all blind to that proven piece of info.

More paperwork showing his Indonesian citzenship

http://smithfiles.com/2008/08/14/breaking-photo-documents-barry-soetoro-obama-indonesian-citizen-muslim-religion/

There is ALOT of proof showing his inelegabilty to be POTUS.

Answer 8

Let it go already! Obama is a natural born citizen of the U.S. because his mother was a natural born citizen of the U.S. That's good enough for me. Now let's move on to more important things.

Answer 9

Sure I have a source... state courts, federal courts, the supreme court and the american voters all confirm his citizenship.



Funnily, John McCain had much more thorny citizenship issues as he actually WAS born overseas. (but it was a military base, so it still counts as US soil)

Answer 10

you say there's a "conflict of interest" because he has "dual loyalties" as if he ran for US Pres to sell us out to the UK



get a life.



leave the researching to the professionals who, unlike yourself, are not solely basing their "fact checking" on google vs snope searches and chainmails from a supposed coworker's friend's collage ex-roomate's, litte brother's, big sister's cousin twice removed.



if you want to be well informed, shut your mouth and open your mind

Answer 11

OK, here we go ...



First, he isn't a natural-born citizen at all, he is a native-born citizen.



There is a difference between a 'citizen' and a 'natural born citizen'.



A 'citizen' can be a naturalized US citizen by immigrating to the US and applying for citizenship, a native-born citizen by just being born in the US, or a citizen by descent by being born to a US citizen parent.



A "natural-born citizen" is someone who was born to two US citizen parents on US soil.



Rep. John Bingham of Ohio, chief architect of the 14th Amendment's first section, considered the proposed national law on citizenship as “simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…” (congressional globe, 39th congress, 1st session, March 9, 1866)

"Not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty" is the key phrase here. Both parents had to be US citizens, neither could be non-US citizen because then they would owe allegiance to a foreign sovereignty.



The Supreme Court case of PERKINS v. ELG (1939) defined a natural born citizen as a person who was born on US soil to two US citizen parents.It defined it in two places; once by declaring Ms. Elg a "natural born citizen" (she was born to two Swedish immigrant naturalized US citizen parents on US soil) and once by citing the Steinkauler case, in which a young man was born on US soil to two naturalized US citizen parents and said of him "in due time, if the people elect, he can become President of the United States"

See PERKINS V. ELG - http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=307&invol=325



It was also defined in MINOR v. HAPPERSETT (1874) http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=88&invol=162 where the court said "At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens ..."



In the Supreme Court case of Kwock Jan Fat v. White, 253 U.S. 454 (1920) The father of Kwock Jan Fat was a native-born US citizen, born on US soil of Chinese nationals. The mother of Kwock Jan Fat was a naturalized US citizen by virtue of her marriage to a US citizen. http://supreme.justia.com/us/253/454/case.html

Kwock Jan Fat was Born of two US citizens on US soil and thus a "natural born citizen."



To be eligible to serve as the President of the United States, the person must be a 'natural born citizen' (or a citizen at the time of the adoption of the constitution) per Article 2 Section 1 of the US Constitution. http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html

Barack Obama's father was not an immigrant to the US. He was in the US on a student visa and was a British/Kenyan citizen. He never had "legal resident" status and he never applied for US citizenship.



It is not Unconstitutional for an ineligible person to be a candidate for President, or even win an election. It is Unconstitutional for an ineligible person to "serve" as President of the United States. Since he has been inaugurated and is now serving as President, a case may be heard before the Supreme Court on the issue of his eligibility.

Answer 12

I would truly hope that he is a citizen and would like to think he is, but the fact that he has not shown or allowed an independent investigation committee to go and pull his original cert raises some suspicion. If you have nothing to hide have the records dept. in Hawaii pull the original, its not a big deal, but he has not done that.

Answer 13

Seriously, drop it. Do you not think that the Republican senators, congressmen, strategists, slime machine, etc. wouldn't have found this out and ran with it? Yet YOU, somehow with your great source of internet of blogs and the Rush Limbaugh should WOULD find out?



Obama is a U.S. citizen of Hawaii. GET OVER IT.

Answer 14

I'm so sick of you guys. Obama was born in the USA. It doesn't matter where his parents or grandparents are from, because HE has been a United States citizen since the day he was born here. Stop listening to the crazy people who are afraid of blacks.

Answer 15

dude.

obama was born in hawaii, which is american soil.



if someone from mexico crosses the border and has the baby on american soil, that baby is a U.S. citizen.



same thing here. get over it. he's our president.

I didn't vote for him (nor mccain) but there's nothing I can do about it. And I have to support him as our leader, I suggest you do the same.

Answer 16

I've researched as much as you and I still can't come up with the correct answer. But, I have a gut feeling he is a natural born citizen.



What's the point of stressing over it, though? He's already president.

Answer 17

His other is a natural born citizen...therefore he is a natural born citizen.



ALso, although I'm not sure if he was...if he was born in Hawaii, even to unamerican parents, he is a natural born citizen, as anyone born in U.S. territory is.

Answer 18

Do you have a job? Where do you find the time to do hours of intense research on Obama? He's our president and your research isn't going to change anything. Yea, that information is incorrect because he is now our president.

Answer 19

here is some info i found for your research: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obama.asp

and here read what it says in the blue box. it talks about why he can't be president http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

just go on snopes.com and type in obama and it will show you all kinds of info on him true or false.

Answer 20

Good thing your research doesn't matter! Long live the king! Oh, I mean President!

Answer 21

who cares... finally a real president and not some idiot who gets to be president because of his family name and riches.

Answer 22

He's a natural-born citizen.



He won the election.



It's over. Move on with your life.

Answer 23

He was born on U.S. soil and therefore this makes him a citizen

See:

urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_citizen.htm

Answer 24

YES! He is a US citizen, stop perpetuating this garbage. There is no sane argument that he is not. Republicans lost, get over it and try again in 4 years...

Answer 25

I'm not sure, he probably isn't a citizen, or else he wouldn't be so shady about it.



To the people who were all 'omg **** you!' did you read the damn question? She's looking for information... being informed is a good thing, rather than "omg shut the **** up!" Go play with your Barbies, little girls.

Answer 26

There are plenty of legit reasons to criticize President Zero. No need for conspiracy theories.

Answer 27

He was natural born. There is no medical evidence to suggest his mother had a Cesarean.

Answer 28

No one knows because he wont show the original birth certificate.

If he would just do the country a favor and show it, this could all be put to rest once and for all.

Dont you find it odd that he refuses, and instead hires high price attorneys to get him out of it?

Answer 29

I watched this docoumentary on him .. pretty sure he grew up in the states.. But i forget.. But i think it was on that E channel or w.e .. look it up

Answer 30

So, this is the last time this issue will be brought up?



Right.

Answer 31

stop with yur nonscence

he was born in hawaii

PERIOD!

Answer 32

you got to be kidding me. This must be a joke

Answer 33

OMG the stuff you read on the internet is so fake.

Obama was born in hawaii, end of story.

Answer 34

*** on ..... get over it he was born in Hawaii seesh

Answer 35

Are you serious?



Please get over it.

Answer 36

he has to be otherwise he wouldnt be pres... your over thinking it

Answer 37

oh please....

this kind of crap is so not worth your time.

Answer 38

ask the registered democrat that keeps pushing his lawsuit

Answer 39

Old news...you fail

Answer 40

Ohhhhhhhh hell.... here we go again.....

Answer 41

www.factcheck.org

Answer 42

**** you..obama was born here and now hes our president. get over it

Answer 43

He was Born in Kenya!