Question:
Why do conservatives think increasing the min. wage is going to cause rampant unemployment?
anonymous
2014-02-28 20:50:14 UTC
You would need to maintain staff levels to ensure adequate production/service & reducing staff could be detrimental UNLESS you are already over utilizing labour and if that's the case, why would that be? If staff levels are at ideal quantities, why would one reduce already good levels if the min. wage increased? If that means closing early, you lose potential revenue from additional hours. If that means overworking less labour to create same production levels, that means less productivity as time goes on (as employees become more exhausted, they're going to perform at sub optimal levels)

To me it doesn't make sense to reduce labour if the min. wage increased unless you have too many staff as it is.

I can understand marginally increasing prices but cutting labour? That doesn't seem to make sense....

Why do they think that is going to happen? Less workers doing the same work is going to cause reduced productivity per worker
22 answers:
James W
2014-02-28 21:00:11 UTC
If wages were arbitrarily increased and manning levels were kept the same, the price of the goods and services would have to go up relative to the wage hike. So those stuck at minimum wage was see a zero sum gain, where as those who have worked hard to build skills and get educated will have less spending ability due to drastically increased wages. Less spending power equals less spending, less spending means more lay offs and unemployment increases.



If you want higher wages without loss of jobs, you have to stop all immigration for 10 years, both legal and illegal. Get rid of immigrants who come to America because they can live like a king on minimum wage. There are a million legal immigrants every year coming to America and about 22 million illegal immigrants here, and there are currently 20 million people collecting unemployment. See the connection? Australia has a $15/hr minimum wage, but try to immigrate there... they won't let you unless you can prove a benefit to Australia. Follow their lead, and minimum wage will increase on it's own.



Oh, and if you are an able bodied worker and don't mind putting in 65-70 hour weeks including Sundays and holidays, come to Williston, ND. You can't walk down the street without getting a job for $22/hr.
KL
2014-02-28 20:59:07 UTC
The answer? Money! It happens all the time: pay workers less and increase their job responsibilities. The company I work for had layoffs, the team I was on went from 4 people to 2. I am salary so I am expected to work longer hours, weekends with no breaks. Your logic seems rational except if the small business does not have the money to maintain current staff levels or a company is not willing to take a revenue hit. For some business they could absolutely increase the minimum wage and maintain current staffing, however if they raise a fuss and threaten to fire people... Also raising the min. wage will do no good. Prices for EVERYTHING will proportionately go up too. If minimum wage is increased by $5, myself and everyone else over min wage will demand a $5 raise.
Trump The Commie
2014-02-28 20:59:19 UTC
Labor Markets are not constantly perfectly competitive.



People do not willing quit jobs because they feel that they are underpaid, so businesses have to compete for equilibrium wage. Although Businesses do provide efficiency wages to encourage workers to work for them, they don't have to do so because they will gain more profit by keeping labor costs low, if the Business has a lot of control in the market place. Businesses can easily monopolize and conlude to keep wages low. Those areas are called Monopsony, when a major coporation is the biggest provider of labor in a particular area. If Monpsony businesses leave, then the whole area loses their jobs.
James Thundernuts
2014-02-28 21:00:30 UTC
The error in your reasoning lies in your assumption that the "ideal quantities" of "staff levels" is constant and remains unchanged in spite of an increase in the minimum wage.



One of the two factors that determines the "ideal quantities" of "staff levels" is the expense of employing those staff members. If that expense increases as a result of the imposition of a higher minimum wage, the "ideal quantity" of staff GOES DOWN. It's really very simple.



There is a law - not theory - of economics called the law of supply and demand. It says tha if the price of something increases, the demand for it goes down. This applies to labor just as much as anything else. If the government increases the price of labor by raising the minimum wage the demand for labor must go down.



Stop hurting poor people by evading the laws of economics.
itsadogslife
2014-02-28 20:59:27 UTC
Conservatives are crying wolf. No corporations like McDonald's have extra staff that will be let go if the minimum wage goes up. They are already downsized and streamlined to a T. They just don't want to pay their workers a living wage, because it means less profit and "shareholder value."



What conservatives don't acknowledge is that a low minimum wage is a form of corporate welfare. Most minimum wage workers need food stamps and other government benefits to live---especially in crazy expensive places like NYC. So we taxpayers make up for what McDonald's won't pay.
ahandle101
2014-02-28 21:01:09 UTC
In theory, businesses could close and that would increase unemployment. If the wage increase were small, the unemployment increase would be so small it would go unnoticed. Now, if you actually increase it to $15/hr like some protests have been wanting, well then we'll actually be able to see the increase. $9/hr is what you really should be asking for.
Sean
2014-02-28 20:53:13 UTC
Companies are going to have to cut back hours because of obamacare. They will do something similar too if minimum wage is increased, have one person doing the job of three or four part time.



Minimum wage shouldn't be an issue anyway, opportunities for people to find better employment should be the issue.
?
2014-02-28 20:54:40 UTC
You answered your own question, KM. Name me something that's already "ideal." What about the small businesses that are doing well to make payroll now? If they HAVE to pay more, they will also HAVE to let people go--or cut hours. This is not a difficult concept. Finite resources can only go so far.
anonymous
2014-02-28 20:54:13 UTC
not rampant. Only among the young, unskilled and minorities. As it has every time it's been raised.



That's why you only see the overall unemployment rate quoted in liberal sources that are trying to debunk it.



When you raise the cost of labor

You use less labor



It's not rocket science.
b_friskey
2014-02-28 21:11:16 UTC
Conservatives are still trying desperately to convince us that "trickle-down economics" is working....Isn't THAT a joke! We need to stop giving big business our hard earned $$$ and make them actually have to use those government subsidies and tax breaks to grow ...and I don't mean their own wealth...their BUSINESS!! When I hear about a corporate bonus equaling 100 years of my salary, but that said business can't pay over $7.50 and hour with NO benefits for their employees (who actually CAUSE all that income for them) and if forced to pay a living wage...they whine and say they will have to raise prices of their product....OMG..they may have to sell one of their private jets! They may have to not send their daughter on said jet daily to another state for that private school!...the horror...the horror. I actually had a conservative right wing religious person tell me that God "wants" them to have that wealth. They also told me that unless the whole country becomes "Christian" and all aspect of all of our lives becomes "Christian", we are all doomed. It is what the Christian right is fighting for. They actually believe that if we have a whole country on their side, the USA will be a virtual garden of Eden......yikes...the insanity of it all.
Will Powers
2014-02-28 20:57:25 UTC
The minimum wage is a major anti-jobs policy. Ten states have announced an increase in their minimum wage effective January 1, mostly because their legislation requires an adjustment to the Consumer Price Index inflation measure. Some political jurisdictions take it further, San Francisco has a minimum over $10 per hour and the state of Washington is above $9 on average. Supporters hail this as a victory for “fairness” and a benefit for poor people. This, it is alleged, will provide more income to support spending and stimulate the economy. If it works that well, why not make the minimum $50? This would provide someone working 2,000 hours a year an income of $100,000, eliminating poverty and stimulating the economy. Obviously, $50/hour would be detrimental to employment as is $7/hour, it’s just a matter of degree.



The President of the Greater New York Chamber of Commerce suggested that the higher labor cost could be offset by eliminating waste in other aspects of the business. Really? So employers are wasting money that they could eliminate and add to the bottom line but they chose not to, to earn less than they could if waste was eliminated. But, with a higher minimum wage they will suddenly eliminate that waste to cover higher labor costs, adding nothing to the bottom line? This is the kind of absurd thinking that leads to bad policy.



As a poverty program, raising the minimum wage is like killing flies with a shotgun, not very well targeted. About 60% of the officially poor don’t work, so the only thing raising the minimum wage does for them is to make it harder for them to get a job if they ever decide they want one. Workers must bring at least as much value to the firm as they are paid or the firm will fail and all jobs will be lost (no GM bailouts are available to our 6 million small employers that employ half of our private sector workforce). Raising the minimum wage raises the hurdle a worker must cross to justify being hired.



It is estimated that less than 15% of the total increase in wages resulting from an increase in the minimum will go to people below the poverty line and less than a third of those receiving the minimum wage are families below the poverty line. Most minimum wage workers are from above median income families. So, most of the people benefiting from the minimum wage are not the intended targets of the “anti-poverty” aspect of raising the minimum wage.



As a jobs program, raising the minimum wage is a real loser. Congress raised the minimum wage 10.6% in July, 2009 (know of anyone else getting a raise then?). In the ensuring 6 months, nearly 600,000 teen jobs disappeared, even with nearly 4% growth in the economy, this compared to a loss of 250,000 jobs in the first half of the year as GDP growth declined by 4% Why? When you raise the price of anything, people take less of it, including labor. The unemployment rate for teens remains unacceptably high. Workers of all ages that are relatively unskilled are adversely impacted by this policy.



Another argument in favor of the minimum wage is that it is a stimulus, introducing new income and spending into the market. But was there more income to spend in 2009 when nearly 600,000 teen jobs were lost? Common sense says that every dollar a minimum wage worker receives must have come out of somebody else’s pocket, either small business owners or their customers. The money for a higher minimum wage does not come from thin air.



Consider a community based pizza parlor selling 100 pies a day for 360 days at $10 each. Total revenue is $360,000. It employs 10 minimum wage workers earning $7 per hour, working 2000 hours a year, making labor costs $140,000. Assume rent, utilities, equipment, depreciation, insurance, supplies, licenses, and food costs come to $170,000 per year, leaving a profit of $50,000 for the owner and his/her family. Raising the minimum wage $1 would raise labor costs by $20,000 (paying more for the same amount of labor) and reduce profit to $30,000. The owner must either move into a smaller house or raise prices, which reduces the demand for pizza, resulting in the loss of a worker. So, the full increase in the wage cost of an increase in the minimum wage comes out of the pockets of customers or the owner’s family, and the one person who loses a job. There was no net gain in income to increase spending in the community served as every dollar the minimum wage workers received came out of someone else’s pocket in the community.



Supporters of raising the minimum cite poorly done studies by agenda driven “research” groups that allege to show that raising the minimum doesn’t harm employment. This defines common sense and is not supported by good academic research. The Law of Demand always works: the higher the price of anything, the less that will be taken, and this includes labor.



Firms cannot pay a worker more than the value the worker brings to the firm. Raising the minimum denies more low skilled workers the opportunity to get a job and receive “on the job” training. The impact of raising the minimum wage in 2009 on teen employment makes it very clear that this is especially harmful for young teen workers looking for their first opportunity to have a job. Raising the cost of labor raises the incentive for employers to find ways to use less labor. Most minimum wage earners are not in poverty, yet their employment opportunities are impaired as well as those who are. This is but one of the poorly designed policies that are created by politicians who have little or no understanding of how business works. They promise higher legislated wages or other benefits to constituents who don’t understand the true economic impact in order to gain votes.
anonymous
2014-02-28 20:53:43 UTC
So, how often do you pay more than the asking price for anything? When was the last time you told a business owner that he isn't charging enough?
Bill
2014-03-02 17:28:59 UTC
Some of you , who say it's a bad thing, what about annual raises, and bonuses. Those too cost the companies money, but I do not see prices skyrocketing.
?
2014-02-28 21:06:02 UTC
You may not be worth $10.00 a hour. and just because Obama says pay this person $10.00 does not mean that job has the money to give you $10.00 an hour
Robert G
2014-02-28 20:57:09 UTC
Supply and demand. If you raise the wages above the market price, there will be excess demand. Besides, the corporate ownership wants to keep all the profits.
whoyeah
2014-02-28 21:02:05 UTC
It won't just like it never has. Here let's make it simple and fun;



http://business.time.com/2014/02/28/an-animated-history-of-the-minimum-wage/
Par 4
2014-02-28 20:52:52 UTC
We've been through this; raising the minimum wage by just fifteen cents costs a company of five hundred employees $3,000 per week.
ocularnervosa
2014-02-28 20:53:43 UTC
Because clearly when people have more money to spend, stores have to start stocking more merchandise, factories have to start producing more products, it's going to be bad for the economy. D'uh.
anonymous
2014-02-28 20:52:00 UTC
cbo says it will also give a raise to some who make more than the minimum wage
ms manners
2014-02-28 21:07:57 UTC
You've never run a business, have you?
anonymous
2014-02-28 20:51:53 UTC
Take an econ 101 class you dim-witted liberal imbecile. That is, if you can find a college that will accept idiots.
?
2014-02-28 20:51:33 UTC
Beat it, hunnie, beat it! Bwaaahhhhh-haaaaa-haaaaa!!!!!



And then, when you FINALLY get off, please give it a rest, 'kay? 'Kay!


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