Let's settle this Death Panel business once and for all shall we?

Question

For those saying there will be death panels, please provide a link to the specific bill and page number so we can all look up the text of it.

If there is any language that needs clarification, please post the language and the clarification.

Thank you.

Answer 1

The house bill HR3200 (or whatever) -- 1018 pages +



•Page 425, lines 4-12–government mandates advance care planning consultation;



•Page 425, lines 17-19–government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, mandatory.



•Page 425, lines 22-25, 426 lines 1-3–government provides approved list of end of life resources;



•Page 427, lines 15-24–government mandates program for orders for end of life;



•Page 429, lines 1-9–an “advance care planning consult” will be used frequently as patient’s health deteriorates;



•Page 429 Lines 10-12–“advance care consultation

Answer 2

Obama has made it very clear than a panel of doctors will be established to define "best practices" and determine which procedures will be most effective on which patients. He says he will save money by cutting out spending on end of life care. He even said that 99 year old women should not be given pacemakers. He said she should just take a pain pill. This isn't myths and misinformation. These are his own words. Rationing of care happens in every public health service. It is a fact of life. You can argue that it will save money by treating those with the greatest chance of survival first. You can make a claim that society as a whole will benefit more by allowing people with expensive terminal diseases to just not receive care. But you cannot claim that it will not happen with any level of intellectual integrity.



This has absolutely nothing to do with end of life counseling. This has everything to do with medical rationing boards. They are not going to kill anyone. They will just refuse to treat people with the least productivity to gain from the amount of money expended. They will not be forced to die. They will be allowed to die because they are not worth the investment.



For those of you who doubt this could ever happen. I'm a disabled veteran. I have an incurable condition of chronic pain that will last the rest of my life. Despite the fact that treatments exist which could alleviate that pain. I have been denied access to those treatments because it would never cure my condition or lead to a point where I did not need treatment. Therefore, treatment was stopped and I was told to go home and don't bother coming back. I live in constant pain every day of my life. But allowing me to live a life without pain is not considered by this government to be a worthwhile expenditure of resources. So I suffer alone. But at least now that Obama is in office they are telling me that I should consider death as a viable option.

Answer 3

Use the link below to see a debate between the pundit says there are dealth panels and Jon Stewart and decide for yourself.



EDIT

If you liked Bill 's page listings, you will like the video in the link because that is covered.

Answer 4

Gots to pay homage to Kirk, yet Patrick Stewart is between the few white adult males that look sturdy with a bald head..... and a attractive voice Sorry yet I gotta circulate with Picard. I wasn't born till '86 so I grew up with next technology.

Answer 5

Section 123 creates the "HEALTH BENEFITS ADVISORY COMMITTEE". They will determine what will and will not be covered in all plans. If they decide that bypass operations for people over 65 will not be covered then your granny is SOL. These people are appointed by the President and you will have no recourse if you disagree.

Answer 6

Advising people that it may be too expensive to continue "end of life care" as a standard aspect of medical care seems a bit inappropriate and callous.



However, they are hardly death panels; this is just paranoia and sensationalism.

Answer 7

The notion of Death Panels came from former New York Lieutenant Governor Nancy McCaughey (pronounced "McCoy" - and she's been dubbed the "Death Panel Lady"). On August 21, Jon Stewart had her on the Daily Show for about a half hour (most of the show was dedicated to the interview, although most of it did not make it to the air). Here's a write-up about the show. It's all true - I saw the show.







Jon Stewart devoted most of his show yesterday to sparring with Betsy McCaughey, whose articles helped start the “death panel” rumor—and kill the Clinton health care plan in 1994. McCaughey strode onstage carrying a massive binder containing the first half of the House bill. “This bill is dangerous,” she declared, rifling through it to find its most “dangerous” segments. “I almost feel like we gotta play yackity sacks,” said Stewart.



(sic - Stewart is referring to the song Yackity Sax, which is the silly instrumental music they play on the Benny Hill Show)



“Do you really believe they’re trying to do a Trojan horse to prevent old people from living longer?” asked an incredulous Stewart. McCaughey nodded, and said she had evidence. “Where?” Stewart demanded, “In future land?” McCaughey touted how she had read through both that entire bill and many others. Stewart theorized that maybe “reading legislation all those years is a lot like smoking pot.”









Unfortunately, McCaughey did not annotate her binder very well and she could not find the specific passages in it that supported her position (to which Stewart recommended that next time she use Post-It notes). And, she never did fully articulate what it said that made her come up with the notion of Death Panels, although it is widely speculated that it was the provision in the bill that allowed coverage for end-of-life counseling for issues like living trusts, wills, hospice care, etc.

Answer 8

Bill in Kansas got it done for you. Read the bill. If you do, you will know more than your congressmen who say it is too long to read and too hard to understand.



Interesting how the everyday person who has a full-time job can read it but a congressman whose full-time job is to read it won't read it.

Answer 9

Page 425,go to Health plan,you will fine it.

Answer 10

No death panels.... case settled......



there never was a real question of it. This was just the right wing trying to dumb down American and bring about mass hysteria.



we saw how effective they can be at that with the Obama speech to school kids.



Maybell - there is NOTHING on page 425 about "death panels"

Answer 11

Sarah Palin claimed that house’s health care reform bill sets up “death panels”. SHE LIED!

She said the President was ‘misleading’ when he said it was voluntary. SHE LIED AGAIN!



Section 1233 authorizes “advanced care planning consultations for senior citizens on Medicare every five years, and more often ‘if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual ... or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a long-term care facility... or a hospice program.”



That’s all; it just authorizes the patient to request it & says it will cover it.



To find the truth, http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/

To report the lies, http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/contact

Answer 12

You wantn irrefutable proof? Here it is:

My hero, Rush LimpBalls, says that granny will be sent to the slaughterhouse and turned into dog food.....while grandpa will be turned into cat food.

Answer 13

We can't, it is one of our GOP lies. We will have to fall back on "there are MECHANISMS". Please do not ask for the specific language or specific mechanisms, they do not exist and are another of our GOP lies.



Death panels do not exist, they are not real.

Answer 14

Ok, but first can you give me a link to Obama's REAL birth certificate?