Question:
Is being anti-globalization being an isolationist or is that propaganda?
BeachBum
2006-11-23 22:57:47 UTC
Ok two questions later and now I am no a roll. LOL

Asked a couple questions about globalization, foreign jobs, etc... and I was kind of caught off guard with the isolationists comments.

Now, I ask you, why is being anti-globalization being an isoliationist? It wasn't that way say.. 5 years ago.

Could someone explain that correspondence?

I personally believe, as my other questions clarify, being anti-globalization is looking out for my country. No where did I state to stop trading with other countries, etc...

Seriously, I'd like some explanation to see where the minds are today. I, personally, think it is propaganda in the works. I have been saying for awhile that we are hearing too much that globalization is 'good' for us.

We need to STOP and THINK about it no matter where you stand on it.
Nine answers:
gone fishin
2006-11-23 23:31:42 UTC
Okay, now I am the one perplexed.



Of course, you can rest assured that I most certainly would not agree that your position is conservative, in either the original sense or otherwise.



I used the term isolationist, because I think that is the current mood of anti-war Americans and liberals, similar to before our world wars, scarily enough.



I think being anti-globalization in the way you have presented it is traditionally AMERICAN.



But it is unrealistic to try to turn back the tides, I believe. Globalization started with Nixon and Kissinger when they "talked" with China.



Carter kicked our democratic friend, Taiwan, out of the UN and invited in red China.



Bush 41 and Clinton together brought us NAFTA and GATT.



Bush 43 has not stemmed the tides of globalization.



It is what it is.
davegesprek
2006-11-25 02:59:42 UTC
first off, I believe being an anti-globalizationist does not neccessarily mean being an isolationist. Although I am more in for the slow globalization is good, I understand how and why some people are agianst the globalzation.



Remember, in fact, the anti-globalization and the being an isolationist is two different categories.



As you believe it or not, the globalization has been happening very slowly since the ancient ages, as the Romans and Greeks sent messangers and marchents to exchange the goods and learn the new technology acrossed the world- this includes from the Scandinavian to Mid East, and even further to China.

The most important aspect of all the above is, now the world has become heavy dependant of each other, thanks to accellerated globalization.



It is just that in recent years, due to the development of the airplain and telephone system, the globalization has become more rapid, direct and very very less time and enegergy consuming than before.



Being an isolationist, although I am not too familiar with the term, usually means that for some reason, the state choose to be self-supplying for itself, without the others (North Korea is a foolproof example).



I will not discuss the detail on the pros and cons of being an isolationist. But I will say one thing; if you do it in today's world, it is not good for you.



Anyway, here is my thinking of the globalization;



I agree with the beneficial side of the current globalization... but the globalizatoin has to happen not too rapidly like today's.



Because some counturies and many people even in the U.S. are not ready to take the sudden change. If things change, usually people need some time to get adjusted to them.



But the too rapid globalization will work against to those who with the less knowledge on business, the know-hows, and most of all, those with the less capital background.

Those with the good capital background like the big corporations and billionares are healthy enough to adopt to a big changes, but to the disadvantaged, it means it requires the sudden change of their lifeslyte, abandening of what they have been doing for the living.



One of the recent trand in the world economics of today is the massive capitalization by the giant global corporations, under the name of the "loyalties" and "name values" etc. The giants buy the small companies out, and even the giants themselves merge into each other to compete their competetors. So litterally, there has become no way for the ordinary person to work hard and become rich, because no matter what he or she does, the giant corporations are behind every move and earn more money by becoming the financiers.



One intersting thing is, now the world is becoming more and more Americanized than ever before. Listen to what the world business travellors say; no matter where they travel, (even to the middle east) they ALL LOOK SAME. Just like America, the most rich local capital lords are in charge of the region, whom have close tie to the American finanaciers and the American "investors".



There has been less and less (someday, no more) of such thing as the "poor countries" in the world. Now, and it will be, just like here in the U.S.; few wealthy people, majority average citizens.



What is happening now as the consequence? The American style of the "winner-takes-it-all" economy is what's happening right now in the world. The socialized health cares and other systems which aids the average class people and low-income class are dissappearing.



I will stop here. If you have any more of discussion, please feel free to email me.
Erik B
2006-11-23 23:30:30 UTC
I think being an anti-globalizationist means that you are certainly an isolationist. If you mean by being an anti-globalizationist that you want to have more trade restrictions to keep industrial jobs here in the US, then this means that you would have less international trade. Those who desire trade restrictions are isolationists by definition. I should also mention that those who want to stay out of the business of other countries are also isolationists. Of course, the two kind of go hand in hand.



By Globilization, we are breaking down barriers so we can trade with others and others can trade with us. This causes countries with more of one resource to trade that resource with another who has more of a different resource. As such, China has a huge amount of one resource: Labor. It uses that resource to trade with us. Does that mean fewer jobs here? I don't see that. The job situation is different than it was 30 years ago, and that change, in and of itself, causes uncertainty, but that doesn't mean fewer jobs. But the price of goods is more reasonable because of the cheap labor in China. That's a good thing. And the Chinese are doing better, too. And that makes China a more stable country and, politically, we want China to be a stable country. What would happen to the world if a country with over a billion people in it became really unstable?



Of course, Globilization caused terrorism, too, to some extent. Not good. But, again, a change from one thing to another always causes uncertainty and terrorism is a result of this uncertainty. As folks get used to globiliation, terrorism will ease.



When Perot talked about a giant sucking sound when NAFTA was proposed, he was talking about jobs going south to Mexico from the US. If there was such a giant sound, it was jobs being created in the US, which was what really happened.



Protectionism sounds like a good idea. But, in fact, you are ultimately going against the very people you are trying to protect: The Workers. Protectionism will cause inflation, cause other countrys to protect themselves, will cause shortages, and will ultimately cause more unemployment (at the same time as inflation which is a really bad thing). Protectionism has been tried in the past and it failed.
2006-11-23 23:05:05 UTC
I don't think that it is being isolationist, but rather conservative (in a traditional sense). The rate at which the world economy is growing can not, and will not, slow down. That is barring any global catastrophe like nuclear war. If the U.S. doesn't get on board and help direct this push towards globalization, someone else will, and we will be left out in the cold.



EDIT: Not conservative in regards to political affiliation, but in the sense of withstanding change.
michaelsan
2006-11-24 00:08:56 UTC
The big problem with globalization is that most of us slept through it. While most citizens of the world and the US went to work and watched TV, the big players and big money in the world were planning their strategies. They prowl the world for labor, as cheap as they can get it provided the locals are educated enough, and they build their factories there. Then they take their products round the world and sell them with the huge markups the cheap labor provides, while laughing all the way to the bank and hotels in places like Dubai. In the US millions of jobs have mysteriously disappeared and gone to these cheap labor markets while we scramble for work and a living. President Bush was just in Vietnam signing agreements that will send more US jobs there, because they will work for less than you and I. Globalization is good for businesses who have global reach and can cash in on the cheap labor. But none of us wear clothes anymore that are Made in the USA. That proud union label cut into the profits of global business, so they simply fired Americans and their benefit packages and enviornmental laws, and moved to China where people will work for 1.50/hr. Then they bring the clothes back here and sell them to us for a little less than they cost before, and we all run out to Walmart to buy them, thinking this is a hot deal to buy clothes so cheap, all the while the corporations are raking in the dough. They hire advertizers and press agents to tell us this is a signal benefit to mankind. You can bet there is no changing course for the big boys, who are making more money now than ever before. Are you? You are called names for your feelings about this so you will shrink back into your corner, along with the rest of us, while they plunder this country and the world. Then we are bombarded with commercials that are designed to make us buy more, and on credit with the banks they own, so they can profit further. No matter that they are cutting down all the world's trees, or polluting these countries that cannot legally defend themselves, it is all good for business. Do you think they give a damn about you, your job, or your country? They are selling it all out from under us. Soon we will wake up and find the county we are in is owned by the likes of China, and the highways and toll roads are owned by the King of Spain. Wake up America. We are all going to have to go back to school or we won't have a job or a country.
2006-11-23 23:10:10 UTC
What anti-globalization is, is foolish. It is obvious to anyone who thinks about it (which Karl Marx didn't) that trade creates value, and that applies to trade between countries as well as to buying bread at the corner store. So, the more trade there is, the better off people will be. We buy lots of tools from China, but they typically are designed in the US. I get inexpensive tools, and China gets 747's. What's not to like?
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2006-11-23 23:02:42 UTC
I think it is only natural to want to conserve your stock in yourself. For instance, we don't manufacture that much in the US anymore. We have become more information based. Personally, I would freak if I could not get ahold of a roll of toilet paper. Of course, our option is to continually educate ourselves so that whatever it is we do is valued, and so are we.
bettysdad
2006-11-23 23:11:14 UTC
Anti globalization is only called isolationism by businessmen.



Nobody that supports the American middle class supports globalization.


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