Question:
Should gay history be taught in public schools?
?
2012-03-28 14:36:14 UTC
They passed the bill in california but I don't think they should. How can the LGBT community protest about "equality" but then try to get special rights and privileges to suit their wants. We teach about ALL history , why does sexual orientation have to be talked about? That is personal matter that should not play a role in history. We don't learn about who was straight, why should we talk about who someone is attracted to?

It's weird, because in california it is almost illegal to even say the word "God". When the overwhelming majority of Americans are Christians. And Jesus Christ is a real historical figure who lived 2000 years ago. People are still following his teachings and he was voted the most popular historical figure in the world by times. However, we don't learn about Jesus Christ in history class because people argued we are "forcing" a certain religion, even though he has affected the world in a major way, even today. I don't mean we talk about if he was God, because there is no proof if he was God, but there IS proof he existed, of his teachings, his crucification and the deep impact he had on people then and now in 2012, with 2 billion followers. If we are going to shove gay right down childrens throats then Jesus should also be shoved down their throats also.
Of course neither one of those are the right approach.

If we have to recognize someone being gay then we should aslo recognize if someone was straight, christian, muslim etc. It is only fair. "Equality" is not one sided.

What are your thoughts?
23 answers:
2012-03-28 14:39:31 UTC
Not in any school where the credits are needed to graduate. Unless it is a university and the major is one that involves treating gays somehow. I think it could be an elective in a psychology degree for instance. Public K12 schools? No.
Man in the Iron Mask
2012-03-28 23:35:04 UTC
Public school curriculum on social issues is largely determined by the government. The State will teach what it deems it is important to teach. In the case of California, then they feel it important to teach children about homosexuality and not religion. They do so because religion doesn't benefit the State, or what it hopes to become. Homosexuality does.



As government gets more monolithic and centralized, the will want to mold the public mass into a society which benefits them. The whole diversity thing is just so that the people do not have enough commonality among themselves to rally together and EVER overthrow this System. They want to rule, and they are not going to give it up. They also think ahead.
Angela
2012-03-28 21:49:32 UTC
As a former California resident, saying "God" was fairly common, albeit mostly it was said in vain.



No, I do not think sexual orientation or lifestyles should be glamorized and taught in school as it's only encouraging and undermining our children's morals. Children are innocent in nature and I don't think it's wrong to necessarily allow them to remain innocent for as long as they can. You're only a child for so long before you're facing the harsh realities of the real world. I'd vote to leave sexual orientation out of our children's minds. Their going to learn it anyways if they really want to so why should we pay taxes to have the schools force this on our children?



Also, I disagree that the school system can decide what is best for your child and the parents no longer have much say in what is considered right or wrong.
Secular Humanist
2012-03-28 21:38:32 UTC
I remember talking about the Civil Rights Movement back in high school, as well as certain bills passed that had to do with gay rights, etc.



Our history should be taught, but not through an LGBT lens.



I also think it's important to discuss the science behind homosexuality in health if it is covered during the sexuality unit. People need to know the facts.
?
2012-03-28 21:42:21 UTC
It depends, I think the gay rights movement should be taught as a part of history, but I don't think we should teach the perspective of every single group that exists in school.
Bill
2012-03-28 21:40:23 UTC
History about gay people is taught in schools. It's called "history." Like when a gay person parks a car. It's called "parking," not "gay parking."



You seem very concerned with what's being shoved down whose throat.
?
2012-03-28 21:41:07 UTC
"Equality" does not consist of treating sexual orientation as the equal of a religion.



I'd rather the schools not have that kind of content in the curriculum, mainly because it seems to me that it would inevitably lead to an increase in the number of parents who will take their kids out of public schools and put them in private schools instead. It seems to me that, back in the early 1990s, when there was a lot of publicity about "Heather Has Two Mommies," there was a very sharp uptick in the amount of conservative arguing for school vouchers.
Bill 92691
2012-03-28 21:38:23 UTC
In California, social science instruction in public schools must include study of the “role and contributions” of certain “categories” of persons. A law passed last month updates those categories to include “lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Americans.”



Known as the Fair, Accurate, Inclusive, and Respectful (FAIR) Education Act, or SB 48, the law also prohibits schools from adopting instructional materials that contain “any matter” reflecting adversely upon persons because of factors including “sexual orientation.”



The new law raises certain questions for parents. For example, some parents might wonder in which grades their children will begin to study history based on “categories” of persons defined by sexuality and gender identity. Similarly, some parents might wonder whether the law requires instruction about certain individuals because of their particular sexuality or rather instruction about the sexuality of historical figures already in the curriculum.



The new law also raises certain questions for teachers and school officials. As Kevin Snider, chief counsel for the Pacific Justice Institute, testified to California lawmakers:



[SB 48] uses terminology which is vague and confusing.… Under this inartfully drafted bill, a teacher would have no principle for determining when his remarks pass from the permissible to the forbidden. Further, a school board would not know when proposed instructional materials promote a discriminatory bias or reflect adversely upon persons belonging to a protected class.

Concerned citizens might also worry that activists will attempt to use this new legislation to undermine the traditional understanding of marriage as one man and one woman. Proponents of same-sex marriage routinely argue that defining marriage as one man and one woman unlawfully “discriminates” based on “sexual orientation.” One question is whether activists will argue that SB 48 should be interpreted to ban any instructional materials that express a public policy preference for the historical understanding of marriage as one man and one woman. Slippery slope strategies to undermine marriage have been well documented.



One proponent of SB 48 argues that it will help to reduce discrimination in California’s public schools. Faced with similar legislation in 2006, however, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger explained that it was unnecessary because California already protected against discrimination in public schools.



Voters soon may have the opportunity to exercise their own veto of attempts to change public school instruction in California. A referendum petition supported by the StopSB48 coalition would take this issue directly to California voters. According to the Pacific Justice Institute, which is supporting the referendum, the StopSB48 coalition “must gather approximately 550,000 valid signatures” by the end of September for the referendum to move forward.



Melanie Zlikovsky is currently a member of the Young Leaders Program at The Heritage Foundation. For more information on interning at Heritage, please visit: http://www.heritage.org/about/departments/ylp.cfm
Jassi
2012-03-28 21:41:43 UTC
i agree with you..im not gay but i like what i like..dated men..dated women..but honestly lets get real. our children will know what it is whether we tell them or not especially if they are in public school and or watch tv. we dont need the teachers teaching this..its almost influencing them to be gay rather than to just appreciate it.. think about it. my teacher taught thats its okay to be gay and have feelings toward other women. i never thought about it before but now i think i may have a crush on my best friend who is a girl. i end up experimenting and dont want to date me



we dont have a course on heterosexual attraction. health does not include this because they talk about homosexuality too when it pertains to sex. so i dont think its fair that devote a whole course to this.and to the young kids at that! i shake my head to that. honestly i dont want it to spread. some things are just taken too far.
Walter C
2012-03-28 21:37:34 UTC
It will be eventually.



Keep in mind that the Prussian General that trained George Washington's troop was an expert in warfare. He was banished to this country because he was a homosexual.



Without his help we would have lost the revolution in the early days.





Walt
Mongo Khan
2012-03-28 21:41:59 UTC
Are they going to include that gays brought AIDS and spread it throughout this country and much of the world?

As much as the gays try to be just like heterosexuals via marraige, rights and law, They will always be apart. They have no idea of the essence of real marraige is all about and never will.
abitleftofcenter
2012-03-28 21:41:32 UTC
History should be taught. Sexual orientation is seldom relevant to contributions to history.
The Wiseguy
2012-03-28 21:43:01 UTC
When you see to old men having sex together and kissing and licking each other and packing the fudge box, you would have learned and gained the ultimate knowledge and wisdom and you can tell your employer what skills you have and see if they hire you.
?
2012-03-28 21:39:00 UTC
I don't want to go down the whole "God" path, because that will just increase the shrillness of the liberals.



That said, you do have to wonder why the sexual orientation of an individual is important when discussing their history.



That dude who invented such and such? He's gay. OK. Fine.. Now what?



Unless they are speaking of the history of their so-called persecution. I certainly hope they aren't comparing themselves to what the blacks endured.



@LongHair - Can you expand on what you mean by "gay history"?
Max Hoopla
2012-03-28 21:37:28 UTC
Sexual preferences of historical persons should be irrelevant.
2012-03-28 21:39:17 UTC
Are you saying gay history should be excluded from public schools?
ingsoc1
2012-03-28 21:39:35 UTC
Were you taught that Abe Lincoln was likely gay? Didn't think so. And its going to be taught as a social movement which it is
2012-03-28 21:39:07 UTC
Only if they also teach Heterosexual history (as in .. procreation)



it's retarded.



Either teach sexuality, or leave it all out.



That's what the internet is for :)
Weyman
2012-03-28 21:43:47 UTC
Soooooo..... now we can tell kids we know why the cowboys walked bowlegged and it had nothing to do with a horse....Don't forget about going "Greek"......when in Rome..I heard
2012-03-28 21:37:31 UTC
Human history IS gay history, all they need to do is not whitewash that fact and I think we'd be fine
2012-03-28 21:37:44 UTC
If it has come to that then time has come to close the public schools
?
2012-03-28 21:37:44 UTC
as part of reality YES
Mitten of Kolob
2012-03-28 21:38:43 UTC
Is this all you have to do today?


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