Question:
What did Thatcher do that was so bad?
Felix
2012-01-08 16:58:44 UTC
I'm not saying this from lack of knowledge, I've researched it a great deal, but everyone seems to hate both her and the Torys for little to no reason. I have a sneaking submission most just go with it because people have told them something and they just believe it, but looking at the things Thatcher did, I actually don't think she was that bad. But I think I'd get a bit of bashing if I ever said that in public.

From what I can gather she did both bad and good. The bad:
- Privatisation of many companies
- Poll tax
- Letting the Irish hunger strikers die
- Mass unemployment
- Took away school milk
- Closing down the mines

and the good:
- By the time she was resigned, Britain was out of its economic slump
- Won the Falklands War, and wrote letters of condolence off her own back to the parents of those that died.
- Helped in victory of the Cold War
- Berlin Wall taken down
- Anti-apartheid and requested the release of Nelson Mandela several times
- First female prime minister

So if there are equal bad and good, why does everybody hate her so much? Please forget everything you've ever been told and make your judgement from this.

I'd also like to express, that I do think Cameron's a bit of an idiot though.
Eighteen answers:
2012-01-08 17:06:46 UTC
I grew up with thatcherism and it was depressing (at least for poor families). She destroyed the mining industry / trade unions, She supported taxes similar to council tax, she encouraged capitalism, she increased state spending (some argue caused 2 recessions) and her snobbery and lack of compassion was irritating. I'm typing this very quickly, there's probably far more, but it's too way late for an in-depth response and my memory is kaput



Additionally and on a personal note: I can't stand politics ! I find people who are interested in it are pretentious and use big unnecessary words, as if to boast of some supposed intelligence - yet ignore the exaggerated reflection which is the internet. A virtual platform where nobody really cares what they think. 'Sorry there's NO audience for your soapbox ' oh well time to go home then, Thaaaaanks I hope this helps
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watchingyouwithoutme
2014-02-04 03:11:25 UTC
A historic fabric of British society was sacrificed for the sake of destroying communal socialism.

What Thatcher might not have foreseen (because she didn't identify with the manually skilled working class) is that she destroyed part of the history of Britain too. Britain might have been at the mercy of left wingers in the public space but it had been conservative in the private spaces. After Thatcher, there was no 'space' any more. There was no country. It became a crude tool for making money with whatever social consequences it might cause an irrelevance to government because they assumed that people would simply want to move to wherever they were best suited. But people - good people, intelligent people, don't necessarily think like that. They do believe in community, in using their intellect for a greater good , not just their own. Her critics were frequently snobs but Thatcher vulgarised Britain- its industrial hearts anyway. She made it a non-country and helped pave the way for beige Major, an abberation of a man if he can be called that, who harked back to maidens on cycles riding to church. What this image had to do with 'greed is good' conservatism is utterly unclear. This country has been destroyed in pieces since the 1960s, its gentle good nature made out to be merely a passing and unsustainable fancy, something to indulge in in the tourist spots. It is so sad what this country is.
jeffrey f
2012-01-11 20:40:16 UTC
Margaret Thatcher's economic policies and spending cuts caused unemployment to rise because she refused to keep bailing out companies that were doing poorly financially. A lot of people lost their jobs as a result. She also cut welfare benefits.



Many industries in Britain were obsolete, such as coal mining and were being kept alive by government subsidy only to keep people at work. But subsidizing unprofitable industries was dragging all of Britain down economically and threatening a financial meltdown. That was why Margaret Thatcher cut off subsidies.



A lot of people in Britain hate her because she is a woman, because she was middle-class and self-made; not old money and land-owning and because she had a very forceful, aggressive and bullying personality.
2012-01-09 11:50:14 UTC
She made the British face the facts about their economic decline and dependency culture.



The Lefties and the dreamers (often one and the same) thought this was truly awful.



She privatised huge national monoliths that were subsidised by the tax payer to deliver a lousy service. That introduced competition, which improved standards and reduced prices - but it also meant their nice cosy relationship with the Trade Unions was destroyed. So the overmanning and ludicrous working practises were destroyed too. Queue much wailing and whining for the dreamers and lefties



She stopped huge taxpayer subsidies to British Coal which enabled them to pay miners to dig up coal nobody wanted and could not afford to buy even if they did. The mines closed and the L&Ds were appalled.



The Irish terrorists who had been indiscriminately murdering their own citizens with bombs, decided not to eat. She simply allowed them to go ahead. Not surprisingly, they died. Most decent people were glad to see the back of them and only wished they could have suffered as much as their innocent victims. Except of course the L&Ds who thought a few hundred innocent people dying was OK as long as they could somehow blame the English.



The school milk fiasco was pure politics. 80% of the milk supplied was not drunk and ended up being poured down the drain. But of course the Labour Party didn't mind that, after all it was not real money being wasted - it was tax payers money and there was plenty more where that came from.



Unfortunately the Lefties and the dreamers, like the poor are always with us. But at least poor people can get better off. The L&Ds seem to learn nothing.



EDIT: Alan - I will ignore the rather silly rant part of your comment, except to say one obviously thinks the people one disagrees with are wrong - otherwise you would not disagree with them, would you now?

Telephone charges, phone installation charges are significantly lower then they were under the old nationalised Post Office Telecoms. One has to account for general inflation of course (you did do that didn't you). And service levels have improved beyond measure.

Water and sewage prices have increased but that's because governments of all complexions refused to makes the investment necessary to modernise the outdated systems. Energy prices have also increased, because there is a global shortage of energy. But competition reduced the impact on the UK domestic market during the 1980s.

Like many left wing folk you are strong on emotion but weak on rationality.
Alan
2012-01-09 02:09:08 UTC
I always wonder why people who did not live through the dictatorship years of Thatcher still answer these type of questions. All they know is what they have been told and most of what they were told is the same lies and propaganda that is told by newspapers like the daily Mail. Poppycock!



Thatcher was a dictator, a tyrant of a leader whose own MP's were scared to death of her. They knew that if they disagreed with her or tried to go against anything she wanted, they would be at best demoted, at worst given the sack immediately. She considered herself to be irreplaceable and thought that her tenancy in Downing street would never be challenged. It took a brave Tory (Michael Heseltine) to challenge her in the end after the disastrous Poll Tax caused far worse riots in the cities than the recent riots we had in the UK.



She caused boom and bust economics that devastated families and turned communities into ghost towns. Greed was the order of the day and this originated in America, the President of whom she had a very close Relationship with (Ronald Reagan). She pulled every trick in the book to prevent workers striking. Encouraged them to buy their council homes and prevented councils from building new ones with the proceeds, hence the affordable housing shortage today. Once people had bought their council homes, they had a mortgage which they feared losing if they went on strike for better conditions. She created that situation and she did not crush the unions at all, apart from the miners, whose industry she decimated.



The billions that were earned from North Sea Oil revenues were totally wasted in the payment of unemployment benefits to the 3.5 million she threw onto the scrap heap. A whole generation of young people were wasted. See how Cameron today is following in her footsteps and a further generation of young people are left on the scrap heap with no hope of a job. She created despair and a feeling of hopelessness among millions of working class families who having bought their council house found that it was worth less than the mortgage they had taken out to buy it (negative equity). Rampant inflation and sky high interest rates of 17% were enough to put many unfortunate families out on the street as they struggled to pay their mortgages.



Hospitals and schools were left to wreck and ruin. Waiting lists were often 2 years or more. Doctors, nurses, dentists and teachers were scarce and they had to be brought in from abroad. There was no minimum wage and people worked up to 60 hours a week for a miserable £1 per hour or less.



That was what the Thatcher years were like. Not the utopia that Tory supporters think they lived in during her reign. The greed and selfish society we have today is a direct result of her policies. Britain may have been poorer before she came to power, but we were a lot happier, that's for certain. Her legacy of arrogance, greed and selfish indulgence is very much apparent, even today.



EDIT: I can understand the glorification with which some paint Thatcher as a saviour after defeating the miners and other unions, but what they fail to remember is that she prayed upon the most vulnerable whilst glorifying those with money and power. Many give her credit for things she had no influence over, such as the fall of the Soviet Union and nuclear arms reductions. Then there are those that always think that many are against her because of jealousy. That is a very lame and weak argument, since no-one from a working class background would ever want to be part of the idle rich brigade. It has nothing to do with jealousy, and everything to do with fairness and opportunity for all, not just a privileged few.



EDIT 2:



I see that Wombat Warrior is one of those Tory supporters who simply do not get it and never will. Blinded by the Daily Mail propaganda machine into believing the lies that are constantly being churned out and resorting always to that somewhat insulting expression "lefties", which is an expression used so very often by those who refuse to see the truth or arrogantly believe that they are right and that anyone who disagrees with them are wrong. This is a typical Thatcherite legacy of which I have already spoken. The utility companies were all privatised, electricity, water, gas, telephones and NONE of these have reduced prices despite competition. In fact they compete with each other on the amount of profit they can make rather than on how much they can keep prices down for the consumer. I would like to be given one example of a service that was formerly owned by tax payers having reduced it's prices due to being privatised. I can think of non. The utility companies were sold for less than half their true value and now we are paying 10 times more than we should, just to feed the greed of the Capitalist corporation giants.
?
2016-10-18 11:21:39 UTC
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?
2012-01-09 05:59:19 UTC
You won't get a rational answer here, as you can see most people are far to filled with hatred.



Thatcher wasn't perfect and she did make mistakes but essentially she did what she had to do and what any PM at the time would have to do.



You have to look at the seventies. During the seventies corrupt unions brought down government after government and bankrupted the country. It got to the stage where unelected tin pot little Hitlers running unions, had more power than the elected government. It had to change or we would have been dragged back into the stone age by these political and economic Luddites.



It had to be stopped and if Thatcher hadn't done it someone else would have.



The reason so many people bleat about it is because it hurt but then cutting out a malignant cancer is going to hurt.



Most people can't (or won't) see the big picture, they are to wrapped up in their own envy and self inflicted ignorance.



Oh and yes I lived through it.
?
2012-01-08 17:17:52 UTC
"Thatcher’s Britain" is an example to illustrate "free market gospel." Just to keep to a few revelations of early 1997, "during the period of maximum pressure to make arms sales to Turkey," the London Observer reported, Prime Minister Thatcher "personally intervened to ensure a payment of 22 million pounds was made out of Britain’s overseas aid budget, to help build a metro in the Turkish capital of Ankara. The project was uneconomical, and in 1995 it was admitted" by Foreign Secretary Douglas Hurd that it was "unlawful." The incident was particularly noteworthy in the aftermath of the Pergau Dam scandal, which revealed illegal Thatcherite subsidies "to ‘sweeten’ arms deals with the Malaysian regime," with a High Court judgment against Hurd. That’s aside from government credit guarantees and financing arrangements, and the rest of the panoply of devices to transfer public funds to "defense industry," yielding a familiar range of benefits to advanced industry generally.



A few days before, the same journal reported that "up to 2 million British children are suffering ill-health and stunted growth because of malnutrition" as a result of "poverty on a scale not seen since the 1930s." The trend to increasing child health has reversed and childhood diseases that had been controlled are now on the upswing thanks to the (highly selective) "free market gospel" that is much admired by the beneficiaries.



A few months earlier, a lead headline reported "One in three British babies born in poverty," as "child poverty has increased as much as three-fold since Margaret Thatcher was elected." "Dickensian diseases return to haunt today’s Britain," another headline reads, reporting studies concluding that "social conditions in Britain are returning to those of a century ago." Particularly grim were the effects of cutting off gas, electricity, water, and telephones to "a high number of households" as privatization took its natural course, with a variety of devices that favor "more affluent customers" and amount to a "surcharge on the poor," leading to a "growing gulf in energy between rich and poor," also in water supply and other services. The "savage cuts" in social programs were placing the nation "in the grip of panic about imminent social collapse." But industry and finance were benefiting very nicely from the same policy choices. To top it all off, public spending after 17 years of Thatcherite gospel was the same 42 1/4 percent of GDP that it was when she took over.
Cian Kane
2012-01-09 10:49:48 UTC
she was a stubborn, bigoted and spitefull bat and truly one of my least favorit people of all time. and was winning the falklands war really a good thing? argentina's claim really makes a bit more sense tbh.



@dick, even if u dont blame her for the strikers death, surely u must admit the way she dealt with and treated them was disgraceful, contempt of the highest level.
?
2012-01-09 03:04:40 UTC
Letting the irish hunger strikers die? blame the hunger strikers themselves for that one.Privatisation of companies ? Nothing has happened since to prove that was wrong except perhaps british rail and thatcher was out of office when that happened,you obviously don't remember the huge losses and strikes that nationalised industries were famous for.Took away school milk ? please ! Gordon brown stole billions of pounds from private pension funds,that's something to get angry about.Unemployment wasn't her fault Britain had huge economic problems that needed sorting out,remember the winter of discontent ? Closing down the mines ? i think you can chalk that one up to arthur scargill and his mates plus the fact that it much easier to import the stuff from thousands of miles away.
2012-01-09 12:18:51 UTC
I cannot put it better than elo2joe that is exactly what she did although we did not see it while she was in power. She really created a mess
2012-01-08 22:40:45 UTC
what did she do that was so bad ?.

she survived her mothers 9 months of pregnancy.

source, I lived through the result of it.
2012-01-09 01:16:49 UTC
She made greed ,corruption and selfishness the norm and except-able with the rich.
Jas B
2012-01-09 04:31:32 UTC
No one has told me about Thatcher I lived through her terms as prime minister and saw first hand the damage she did to my country. Probably her worst fault was promoting an ethos of greed and self interest, dividing those who have and making it more acceptable to disregard and even condemn those without political and financial influence.



Although saying that she was against apartheid, Thatcher stood resolutely against the sanctions imposed on South Africa by the Commonwealth, the UN and the EC. She attempted to preserve trade with South Africa while persuading the regime there to abandon apartheid. This included "[c]asting herself as President Botha's candid friend", and inviting him to visit the UK in June 1984, in spite of the "inevitable demonstrations" against his regime. Thatcher, on the other hand, was no friend of the African National Congress (ANC), with her dismissing the ANC as late as October 1987 as "a typical terrorist organisation".



In the 1980's she vetoed the imposition of UN economic sanctions on South Africa, in 1987 her spokesman, Bernard Ingham, famously said that anyone who believed that the ANC would ever form the government of South Africa was "living in cloud cuckoo land".



To suggest that Thatcher was responsible for the fall of the Berlin wall is nonsense,



Under Thatcher, Geoffrey Howe abolished Britain's exchange controls in 1979, allowing more capital to be invested in foreign markets, and the Big Bang of 1986 removed many restrictions on the London Stock Exchange. This allowed the financiers and banks to behave in ways which are directly to blame for the current recession



Thatcher was a war criminal, during the Falklands war she ordered the sinking of an Argentinian ship which was outside of her own proclaimed "exclusion zone" and actually sailing away from the Fallands with the resulting loss of 323 lives, half of those Argentinians killed during the conflict.



She introduced cash limits on public spending, and reduced expenditures on social services such as education and housing. Her cuts in higher education spending resulted in her being the first Oxford-educated post-war Prime Minister not to be awarded an honorary doctorate by the University of Oxford.



She started the selling of our social housing stock, so we now have five million people on waiting lists for social housing just in England because of a shortage of council homes.



As well as selling of much of our nations housing stock she was also responsible for selling off our essential industries such as water, gas, electricity and public transport were the property of the British people. She instigated the selling of them at knock down prices now they are owned and run by multi nationals who's only interest is how much in bonuses they can pay themselves and their shareholders.



That she was a woman is irrelevant if you are talking in terms of the feminist movement, she did nothing to promote women's rights. There was only one other female Cabinet minister during the Thatcher years in Downing Street, with talented figures such as Lynda Chalker left languishing in lesser posts.



Having become the UK's first women prime minister, she did so much to undermine the position of women in society.



She damaged woman's place in the workplace, undermined families and communities and did nothing for women in public life, it was a wasted opportunity on a huge scale. About the only thing Thatcher did for mothers was freeze child benefit, while at the same time castigating them for leaving their children in the "chaos of workplace creches".



Thatcher betrayed her own assessment of what made a woman - she was a social conservative, against single mothers, working mothers, women in general. She just made an exception for herself. The lack of social conscience, the underfunding of socially beneficial institutions, the rejection of state responsibility to its poorest members, the emphasis on "helping oneself" in absurdly difficult circumstances: these were the cornerstones of Thatcher's governance, and of her contribution to society's image of women.
2012-01-08 17:00:19 UTC
She was a conservative with a vagina.



Brits hate them more than American liberals hate the black conservative.
Jane Doe
2012-01-08 17:03:24 UTC
Shes a Conservative in a Liberal nation...that's all.
?
2016-01-27 08:43:45 UTC
2 points thanks


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