Since everyone is bringing up the whole birth certificate thing again?

Question

People (like me) are saying that he could have gotten a birth certificate from Hawaii even if he wasn't born there. Others are saying that is not true, that it is not possible. The type of BC he has produced is of the type that is given to out-of-state births. Here is what the Hawaiian legal code regarding this issue says:

"[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate."
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Is it me or does this say that a person can get a birth certificate from Hawaii when they WEREN'T born there if their parents lived there for at least a year before the child was born? Does it prove that he COULD have gotten a Hawaii birth certiicate even if he wasn't born there, as long as his parents lived there for at least a year prior to his birth? Someone showed this to me to prove that this policy is an "urban legend". I think it shows that it actually COULD have happened that way.

What do you think? And by the way, this isn't really a dead issue. If it is ever proven that he was not born here, he will be impeached. And you do know that Obama's paternal grandmother said that he was born in Kenya and that she was present DURING his birth in Kenya? Why would she lie?

Answer 1

Hawaii's code does say that. But it DOESN'T say that the resulting document will list the birth as taking place in Hawaii. According to Janice Okubo, a spokesperson for the Hawaii Department of Health:



If you were born in Bali, for example, you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu.



Hawaii doesn't issue a document stating you were born in Hawaii unless you actually WERE born in Hawaii. They never have.

Answer 2

Wow you found a law that was enacted in 1982, more than twenty years after he was born. Not only that, as Janice Okubo, the director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health, recently explained "If you were born in Bali, for example, you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios."



Please come back to reality

Answer 3

So if I'm hearing you right, Obama's mom and dad, the hospital authorities and the Honolulu newspapers entered into a conspiracy 47 years ago JUST IN CASE a black man might run for president in 2008. Later, the Hawaiian records authorities joined in, and then the FBI, the Governor of Hawaii, the Secret Service, the Senate certification committee and, certainly not least, the crack McCain and Clinton opposition research teams all joined the conspiracy as well--all with the aim of fooling a few not-so-bright American citizens into getting worked up and deciding the president was illegitimate.



Do I have it right?



http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html



http://www.sodahead.com/question/499895/why-dont-the-obama-birth-certificate-deniers-understand-they-are-getting-played/

Answer 4

why in the name of all that is holy...

is it possible that people sit and argue about an edited video tape of a woman, in a foreign language..

and somehow delude themselves into thinking that it is more reliable that the official statement from the state of Hawaii??

One is based on confusion.. deliberately planted by the interviewer. The other is based in legal records, from a govt office.

There is no ET. The grandma tape is meaningless. It isn't why she would lie.. the question is why people attempted to use her as a pawn, to support a hoax.

If you can't tell the difference between what is/ isn't PROOF, what use is there to try and explain the legal implications, as to why he isn't caving in to illegal demands. Oh.. wait.. you also have no clue that the demand for someone's private records is illegal, either, did you?

Yep. It is getting airplay and more exposure. Why? because normal persons understand the reason that there is not, and never was a question.

God. Even my own mother in law gets confused about her kids. Like this is rocket science.

ps

if you DON'T WANT TO BE INSULTED... then figure out why the world IS laughing at this thing.

The State of Hawaii told the world.. this is false. It isn't their problem if you fail to understand plain English.

ps

if someone sends you email from Kenya that you have a secret inheiritance, you know it is a scam. A website asks you to donate to a noble cause, to dispute the entire US govt..and you think it is valid. My God. I pity you.

Answer 5

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Answer 6

Yes, that's correct. That's the whole controversy. The birth certificate that Obama produced could have been obtained even if he wasn't born in Hawaii. That's why the "birthers" want to see the long form birth certificate, which has the name of the hospital and the doctor's signature. That's the birth certificate Obama won't show.

Answer 7

That does not change the facts that

1. The document Obama has produced states he was NOT born out of state - instead saying he WAS born in Honolulu

2. That document is considered legal evidence in any court proceding.

http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg

3. The DOH in Hawaii has confirmed his long form certificate is on file.

http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html

4. His grandmother never said anything of the sort. A translation error was immediately corrected. It is only when the tape is carefully edited that you come to the conclusion she is stating he was born in Kenya.





Don't get me wrong - you guys are free to continue flogging this dead horse. It just shreds your credibility and demonstrates you have no valid criticisms of Obama.

Answer 8

You're kidding yourself if you think this isn't a dead issue. The only people caring are right wing extremists, people who would never vote for Obama anyway.



So they're going to whine whine whine about this urban myth his entire 8 years in office and nothing will change. Who cares?



Congratulations, you're parroting right wing talking points and babbling on about non coherent nonsense. You should run to become the new Governor of Alaska.

Answer 9

..."Barry Soetoro" (you seem to know him by his Political name) is a professional Political obfuscator and narcissist.



He has spent over "one-million" dollars on Attorney fee(s) to keep his applications to Occidental Univ. (in Calif.) a secret...as well as his as his college "papers" from Harvard Univ. in Boston... When he was living in Indonesia, he applied to school(s) while there and indicated on his application(s) that he was a Muslim and born in Kenya (documented facts)... In "time" (what-ever that means) he will be exposed ! America is starting to realize that this charismatic narcissist is a mistake and a danger to the Nation.... (all in due time, all in due time)...

Answer 10

I;m curious why he evades the question all the time. Seems like he would just show the bc and move on.

Answer 11

MSNBC's Chris Mathews got slapped last night:







Chris Matthews Wrong on Obama Birth Certificate



Wednesday, July 22, 2009 6:33 PM



By: Jim Meyers Article Font Size

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MSNBC's Chris Matthews got into a heated exchange with a congressman on his show Tuesday as he revisited the question of President Barack Obama's birth certificate — or lack of one.



Rep. John Campbell, R-Calif., is a co-sponsor of the so-called "birther bill," which would require future presidential candidates to provide a copy of their original birth certificates.



“Birthers” are those who believe Obama is not qualified to be president based on a belief that he was not born in the United States.



Campbell is not a “birther” and has never claimed that Obama was born outside the United States or should be disqualified from being president.





On the show, Matthews seemingly undermined claims by some that Obama has never released his birth certificate, producing what Matthews said was a true copy of it.





But Matthews made a false claim. Obama has never released his actual birth certificate. He has released another document, often provided by state authorities in lieu of a birth certificate, called a certificate of live birth.



Matthews on Tuesday said Campbell was "playing to the crazies" by supporting the "crazy" bill, and the congressman shot back that it was all about "putting the matter to rest."



Matthews also accused Campbell of "feeding the wacko wing of your party," and held up what he called a copy of the supposed Obama birth certificate.



Case closed?



The indisputable fact is that Obama has not released his birth certificate, which the state of Hawaii issues for all citizens born there.



Instead, his campaign has only released his certificate of live birth from the state of Hawaii, which is a document that offers a summarized version of the birth certificate.



During the 2008 presidential campaign, GOP nominee Sen. John McCain quickly released his birth certificate when liberal bloggers raised questions about his eligibility to be president. McCain was born at a military hospital in Panama.



Obama could likewise put the matter to rest by releasing his actual birth certificate, which would show, among other things, the place of his birth and the doctor who performed the birth procedure. This information is not provided on the certificate of live birth.



As it stands, Obama is the only president in history whose birthplace is unknown to the public – a fact that would be stated on the actual birth certificate. Interestingly, his family has mentioned two different hospitals in Hawaii as the place of birth.



The fact that Obama has refused to release his actual birth certificate does not mean conspiracy theorists are right when they claim he was born in Kenya and therefore not eligible to be president. Investigators who have reviewed the claims have found no evidence Obama was born outside of Hawaii.



But Obama’s refusal to release his birth certificate does mean that Obama remains one of America’s most mysterious and opaque presidents ever.



Obama, for example, has not released many other documents regarding his public and private life.



Many of these documents were sought by reporters, who easily acquiesced when Obama said he would release them – though most presidential candidates release them as a perfunctory matter.



Among the key documents that continue to be shielded from the public by Obama:





Obama released just one brief document detailing his personal health. McCain, on the other hand, released what he said was his complete medical file, totaling more than 1,500 pages.





Obama refused to offer his official papers as a state legislator in Illinois. Nor did he produce correspondence, such as his schedules of appointments or letters from lobbyists, from his days in the Illinois state Senate.





Obama did not release his client list as an attorney or his billing records. He maintained that he performed only a few hours of legal work for a nonprofit organization with ties to Tony Rezko, the Chicago businessman convicted of fraud in June 2008, but did not release billing records that would prove this assertion.





Obama ignored requests for his records from Occidental College, where he studied for two years before transferring to Columbia University.





Obama’s campaign refused to give Columbia, where he earned an undergraduate degree in political science, permission to release his transcripts. Former President George W. Bush and presidential contenders Al Gore and John Kerry all released their college transcripts.





Obama did not agree to the release of his application to the Illinois State Bar, which would have cleared up intermittent allegations that his application may have been inaccurate.





Obama did not release records from his time at Harvard Law School.





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Answer 12

she wouldnt lie..but our country makes it clear they do,so he can get the job done. impeeched?no. i dont see it. its going to take a office visit from a pretty woman to sway the people...isnt that what happened to clinton?!

Answer 13

You're insane.