Question:
About Obama's partial birth abortion stance....?
Kate
2009-08-14 22:13:04 UTC
Other than when the life of the mother is in danger, does anyone actually think that it takes more than 6 months for a woman to decide if she wants to have an abortion or not?

I'm pregnant now and though it's definately been a disruption, I can't imagine waiting until the child could survive on it's own and then going through with that. And no, other industrialized countries do not allow partial birth abortion.

Do people most people who are pro-choice really think it's neccessary for a women to have up until she enters the delivery room to decide to keep the baby or not?
Seventeen answers:
anonymous
2009-08-14 22:20:20 UTC
Here's a solution. If you don't like abortion. Don't have one but, don't pretend to know what is right or wrong for someone else.. It's simply none of you business.
wendy c
2009-08-15 00:42:59 UTC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial-Birth_Abortion_Ban_Act



already prohibited.

Simple as that.



the belief that you can choose to have this done..is totally and blatantly false. The Supreme court ruling on this, simply says that abortion cannot be prohibited, and is between dr and mother. However.. saying that it cannot be prohibited IS NOT THE SAME as "a woman can walk in anywhere and get an abortion, when ever they want". There are still laws relating to the time during the pregnancy, and reasoning. Late term abortions are ONLY permitted under very very strict situations. This is what Tiller was charged with..that he was failing to abide by those boundaries (ie 2nd opinion, etc) and found that the charges were not true. 2nd.. you might do some independent research (ie away from a pro life advocacy site) that there are ONLY A LIMITED number of drs in the entire country..who are willing to do these procedures, nor does it mean that YOU "choose" to do it like ordering a Big Mac.

With all respect.. I don't dispute a person being pro life. What gets to me.. is that there are many sites that completely distort things against Obama; or make wild and false claims "you can get one anytime you want".

Like any other issue.. it is impossible to have rational debate, when there are sources out there, which give false information.

"PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION" IS prohibited, and the courts have ruled the prohibition is legal and Constitutional.
anonymous
2009-08-14 22:39:38 UTC
There are cases of babies surviving prematurity at 5 months gestation, some even earlier, why not deliver the child and incubate him or her until they are mature enough to survive without medical intervention?

Why kill the child? Delivering the child completely, and alive, is no more traumatic on the mother than delivering the child part way, then killing it, and then re-inducing labor to complete the delivery.

Also cesarean section is about equal the risk as delivery.

If the mothers health is in such grave danger, any of the above options for a live birth are helpful to the mother as well. Plus the woman will not have to face the psychological issues that most often come with having such a procedure.

And, as you stated, it is not only done when the mothers health is in danger.



Edit

I have miscarried 4 times, 3 of those times I could not deliver the baby (who had died in-utero) and had to have medical intervention to remove the child from me. I know of no one who considers the procedure to remove a baby in those circumstances to be wrong.
?
2016-05-23 12:35:57 UTC
Bride of Jaysus, do the Google search as mentioned. This is part of the Illinois Senate Record, so no one is making it up. It has also been in the news for at least six months, more intensely in the last couple weeks. Obama refused to support a bill in the Illinois Senate that would protect a baby "accidentally" born alive from a botched abortion. He voted against it the second time it was introduced when it was identical to the federal bill which passed 98-0. He won't protect the least of us. He would leave a helpless infant to die. I think it may ruin his chances, Thank God.
anonymous
2009-08-15 00:23:05 UTC
President Obama met Pope Benedict XVI while they were in Italy for the G8 sumitt.He pledged to reduce the number of abortions and Pope Benedict XVI said he was a person who was willing to listen

But up to know he still an advocate for early term abortion and that sad because it is earlt-tern abortion,mid-tern abortion and long-term abortion

Even President George W Bush was so pro-life that he ended programms that fund Abortion.Some people says he is a cupboard Catholic though he follow his wife religon Methodism What President Obama did reverse the situation and allowed funding for abortion and now with the Freedom act the Roman Catholics hospitals may have to closed down rather than give in to murder

Sometimes i think Obams's mother should have aborted him rather than giving birth to this man who is killing some many babies and fetus

I believe in life at contreception and i believe it is thd duty of the Mother to keep the child even she is raped

This is because God has a reason for a person to come into this world even if they may be illegitimate ways like rape .It is the duty of the Mother this child to best of the child's ability

That my friends is true life and also the good news

Yours in Christ our God
anonymous
2009-08-14 22:24:51 UTC
A woman I know had to have a late term abortion (although technically the baby was already dead) because the baby had already died, and if I gather correctly, wasn't miscarrying in the usual manner. If she hadn't, her health would have been gravely endangered.



However, if some of the ultra right wing conservatives had had their way with the law, that lifesaving technique could have been denied her, and she and the baby both might have died.



Reasons like this are why I am not in favor of complete bans on abortion.



Edit: Also, characterizations of all women who have had abortions as evil and selfish really, really hurt her and alot of the tone taken in anti-abortion campaigns. She would have done anything to be able to have the baby, and she'd gone through hell to get pregnant. She and her husband were absolutely devistated.
anonymous
2009-08-14 23:08:31 UTC
April 02, 2008

Obama's Abortion Extremism

By Michael Gerson

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Robert P. Casey Jr.'s endorsement of Barack Obama last week -- "I believe in this guy like I've never believed in a candidate in my life" -- recalled another dramatic moment in Democratic politics. In the summer of 1992, as Bill Clinton solidified his control over the Democratic Party, Robert P. Casey Sr., the senator's father, was banned from speaking to the Democratic convention for the heresy of being pro-life.



The elder Casey (now deceased) was then the sitting governor of Pennsylvania -- one of the most prominent elected Democrats in the country. He was an economic progressive in the Roosevelt tradition. But his Irish Catholic conscience led him to oppose abortion. So the Clintons chose to humiliate him. It was a sign and a warning of much mean-spirited pettiness to come.



The younger Casey, no doubt, is a sincere fan of Obama. He also must have found it satisfying to help along the cycle of political justice.

But by his father's standard of social justice for the unborn, Obama is badly lacking.

Obama has not made abortion rights the shouted refrain of his campaign, as other Democrats have done. He seems to realize that pro-choice enthusiasm is inconsistent with a reputation for post-partisanship.

But Obama's record on abortion is extreme. He opposed the ban on partial-birth abortion -- a practice a fellow Democrat, the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan, once called "too close to infanticide." Obama strongly criticized the Supreme Court decision upholding the partial-birth ban. In the Illinois state Senate, he opposed a bill similar to the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, which prevents the killing of infants mistakenly left alive by abortion. And now Obama has oddly claimed he would not want his daughters to be "punished with a baby" because of a crisis pregnancy -- hardly a welcoming attitude toward new life.

For decades, most Democrats and many Republicans have hoped the political debate on abortion would simply go away. But it is the issue that does not die. Recent polls have shown that young people are more likely to support abortion restrictions than their elders. Few Americans oppose abortion under every circumstance, but a majority oppose most of the abortions that actually take place -- generally supporting the procedure only in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother.

Perhaps this is a revolt against a culture of disposability. Perhaps it reflects the continuing revolution of ultrasound technology -- what might be called the "Juno" effect. In the delightful movie by that name, the protagonist, a pregnant teen seeking an abortion, is confronted by a classmate who informs her that the unborn child already has fingernails -- which causes second thoughts. A worthless part of its mother's body -- a clump of protoplasmic rubbish -- doesn't have fingernails.

Abortion is an unavoidable moral issue. It also has broader political significance. Democrats of a past generation -- the generation of Hubert Humphrey and Martin Luther King -- spoke about building a beloved community that cared especially for the elderly, the weak, the disadvantaged and the young. The advance of pro-choice policies imported a different ideology into the Democratic Party -- the absolute triumph of individualism. The rights and choices of adults have become paramount, even at the expense of other, voiceless members of the community.

These trends reached their logical culmination during a congressional debate on partial-birth abortion in 1999. When Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer was pressed to affirm that she opposed the medical killing of children after birth, she refused to commit, saying that children only deserve legal protection "when you bring your baby home." It was unclear if this includes the car trip or not.

Having endorsed partial-birth abortion, Obama has little room for maneuver on the broader issue. But he does have some. He could take the wise counsel of evangelical Democrats such as Amy Sullivan and come out strongly for policies that would reduce the number of abortions -- support for pregnant women, abstinence education, the responsible promotion of birth control. An organization called Democrats for Life has proposed the creation of a "95-10 Initiative" in which states and the federal government would work toward the reduction of abortion rates by 95 percent within 10 years. That would be a unifying national goal.

Such efforts will not please many pro-lifers, who are waiting on Obama to support any type of legal protection for the unborn. But a real effort to reduce the number of abortions would indicate that Obama's Democratic Party is moving beyond its humiliation of Gov. Casey. And maybe Sen. Robert P. Casey Jr., with his newfound leverage, could insist upon it.
?
2009-08-14 22:26:41 UTC
I'm not sure whether many right-wingers know or care about Obama's stances on abortion:



"On an issue like partial birth abortion, I strongly believe that the state can properly restrict late-term abortions. I have said so repeatedly. All I’ve said is we should have a provision to protect the health of the mother, and many of the bills that came before me didn’t have that."



'Obama’s record in Illinois represents that of a pragmatic progressive, who pushed for moderate reforms and opposed right-wing legislation. In the IL legislature, voting “present” is the equivalent of voting “no” because a majority of “yes” votes are required for passage. Many IL legislators use the “present” vote as an evasion on an unpopular choice, so that they can avoid being targeted for voting “no.” '



http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Barack_Obama_Abortion.htm
Chelfi
2009-08-14 22:18:33 UTC
Of course not. However, I do know that there are some conditions in the fetus that can't be diagnosed until the last trimester (like if the baby has no brain) and frankly I would consider it cruel to ask a woman to carry a baby which cannot survive under any circumstances to term.



But I believe, like Obama does, that the best way to prevent abortions is to educate people about birth control, empower women to insist on birth control if they do not want to get pregnant, and make certain that means of birth control are available to sexually active people.
Stand 4 somthing Please!
2009-08-14 22:28:40 UTC
I couldn't imagine a moving life inside me and having an abortion. I'm glad you are in good health and I hope you and baby will be fine regardless of what you choose to do afterward. Good Luck.
:-)
2009-08-14 22:19:43 UTC
What if in your 6th or 7th month you found out your baby was severely deformed. Like no brain or organs outside the body. There is no way your baby will have life or live without suffering.



These are the reasons women would do that. The rest is just lies, as usual, from the right, religious fanatics.



This is what Obama supports. A woman's right to choose.
anonymous
2009-08-14 22:20:32 UTC
i thought they're only allowed if you're already 6 months pregnant if it's putting your life in danger, but if late-term abortions are allowed just because they feel like it then that's just crazy.
anonymous
2009-08-14 22:17:22 UTC
It's specifically for cases when the woman's health is in danger, so I don't see a problem with his stance. It's already regulated with that requirement, very strictly.
ÂŅŦĬ ĂĈǾŖŇ
2009-08-14 22:23:05 UTC
Most any condition, including anencephaly can be detected before the third trimester. People make stupid excuses to defend their Messiah.
Barbara - Brutally Honest
2009-08-14 22:17:37 UTC
It's a big decision, so yeah it might take a while to decide. And sometimes, especially if your overweight, you don't realize you're pregnant for a really long time.
anonymous
2009-08-14 22:20:27 UTC
I've seen women take longer deciding which bra to wear.
squirrel
2009-08-14 22:20:47 UTC
I buy my own condoms, why would i want my tax dollars paying for somebody elses condoms? They aren't expensive.


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