Question:
Why are some Republicans self-hating?
anonymous
2008-11-15 13:58:42 UTC
That's the only way I can interpret the people here who hate auto workers because they're in unions and get good wages, while the auto workers in "right to work" states don't. Do you really want to finish reversing the great liberal democratic achievement, bringing the working man into the middle class? What satisfaction can it possibly give you to see working men and women forced to work at near minimum wage jobs at Wal-Mart? If you're a blue collar worker, isn't that self destructive? If you're a white collar worker, isn't it kind of greedy to begrudge the guys who make your cars a decent living when you're earning six or seven figures?
Eighteen answers:
anonymous
2008-11-15 14:08:36 UTC
I don't hate myself. When I lost my job along with many others at the company I worked at for over 20 years.



I said well what am I going to do and with in a year I started my own business after I realized that no one was going to hire anyone in their late 40s.



I have not forgot my blue collar roots. And if it were not for unions, people still would not have the standard of living we have today. But unions have changed.



What people get upset with about UAW union is the low skill levels vs. the high salaries



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Diane W
2008-11-15 14:14:33 UTC
My friend, making a good living is one thing, but when you are making a good living and keep DEMANDING more and therefore raising the cost of goods and services in the area putting other people with decent jobs under the gun is another. The cost of medical care, dental care, optical care have gone through the roof because of the UAW contracts the past thirty five years. I can remember when you went to the dentist and could afford to pay for the care yourself, or a doctors call would be affordable. As soon as this healthcare for the big three came in the prices went up as eventually the cost of care went out of control because we no longer cared what it cost.. insurance paid for it...people never ask or compare prices on procedures like they do shopping for a car or even groceries. That is how the healthcare problem started. Other companies started giving healthcare to it employees and it snowballed into insanity. That is how the UNIONS have helped the working man today.
anonymous
2008-11-15 14:36:20 UTC
I think unions are a good thing. Without unions, the workers can, and probably, will be abused by those in seats of power. History only vindicates my statement (unfair hours, child labor, truly unfair wages, etc...) I also think, if you're deserving of the minimum wage (or the near-minimum wage) pay, then you deserve that much. That's why a lot of people nowadays are taking community courses and trying to advance themselves even just a little bit more.



I don't see any satisfaction in seeing men and women forced to work at near minimum wage jobs at Wal-Mart. However, I do believe that, should they wish to get better positions or better jobs, they can always take a few night courses and advance little by little, like my mother is doing. America truly is the land of opportunity, if one seeks out those opportunities.



My mother is a Republican, and she certainly doesn't make six or seven figures. She struggles day to day to feed my brother and me, and she still didn't vote for Obama. As for my dad, he bravely fights over in Iraq (and I'm very, very proud of him). He couldn't get his vote in on time, but he sent me a letter, stating that he and most of his buddies wanted McCain. I think you must have this preconceived notion that Republican = greedy rich person. I think I must respectfully disagree. There are a lot of Republican families out there that are similar to mine. Truthfully, we are all suffering, but I think we just knew in our guts that socialism was never the answer.



What's happening now with Obama, has happened before...in Cuba, for one thing. A charismatic leader who promised free medicare, a chance at better education, etc, etc... And the people were so poor and down-on-their-luck that they were blinded by his pretty words. Obviously, the man never delivered what he promised he would, and Cuban economy, as a whole, suffered even more...
The Scorpion
2008-11-15 14:13:48 UTC
Well, you can view it like that if you wish, but at some point economic realities set it. The industry cannot afford to pay huge wages PLUS massive benefits to a guy who's ability stops at being able to turn a wrench all day long. They have become health care management companies who happen to also build cars. These workers need to give in to re-negotiated agreements or plan to find other jobs, bailout or no bailout, because the bailout will not ultimately save the industry.
anonymous
2016-10-25 10:38:27 UTC
did you understand that the mandatory hourly salary at a US vehicle production plant is about $70. an similar interest at a jap plant receives about $35 in protecting with hour. would not that look somewhat outrageous to you? Do you quite imagine vehicle workers interior the U. S. deserve that a lot or is it only the unions sticking it to the manufacturers which trickles all the way down to at least some thing people buying vehicles. in case you quite want to help the vehicle market, promote your jap import and purchase American. if you're driving round on your Prius, then you definately are component to the precedence, no longer the answer.
Ed F
2008-11-15 14:07:39 UTC
Many are upset that the Union auto workers make so much money and demand so many benefits that it is killing off the industry.

The union benefits add $2,000 more to the cost of a car than a foreign made car. Taxpayers are being asked to bail out the domestic auto makers while auto workers earn $50,000+ per year.



Nothing to do with hate, only basic economics!
L H
2008-11-15 14:28:17 UTC
Republicans have launched a campaign against labor that started with the deregulation of the trucking industry by Hastard and Delay in 1979 and with Reagan firing all the air controllers that struck,,and banning them from their jobs for LIFE..Everything since that point,,has had the Republican Party trying to do any and everything to organized labor,,and labor in general with regard to lowering wages and giving Big Business the edge over labor..The saddest thing of all of this is that middle class working people actually vote against their own best interests and elect the people who would destroy their way of life.. Today,,Big Business has all but broke the Union Movement..Eliminiated Paid Pensions,,And all but ended paid Health care for the working class people..Yet,,after Big Business has gotten the Republicans to de-regualate all the safeguards out of the working peoples benefits,,And Big Business has hoarded all the profits for themselves,, the country is now bankrupted,,and the Republicans who cry,,Govt..is the PROBLEM,, now wants the working people to have the taxpayer,,save their businesses that THEY ruined by their greed !! Republicans will NEVER give labor a fair shake,, only a "shakedown" !! When all is said and done,,All of this IS the fault of Republicans and Big Business,,who could have made efficient cars and competed against their competition,, who instead used lobbyist and favors to politicians to not have to comply with mileage standards and safety rules..Its not American Labor at fault here,, but greedy companies,,and our govt.. of mainly Republicans who believe in Everything for the Rich and Big Business,,and trickle down crumbs to the working people !! LION HOUSE
gosam777
2008-11-15 14:18:15 UTC
And you know for a fact Walmart does not promote or give management, corporate opportunity to hard working employees? Or that six figure salaried people never worked for minimum or low wages? How many American jobs has Walmart exported to Mexico/Canada?
anonymous
2008-11-15 14:24:15 UTC
Back in the 80's we actually listened to the Republicans, but I got off the bus a long tiome ago, especially after that s&l scandal of the late 80's, which to me was just wholesale looting.. I wish others had learned so much.. I just don't listen to anything they say, any more. As for me they are just thieves out to loot.

Ok, the Democrats have about 2 years to make good, and I hope they hit the ground running, and then maybe we can keep these bastards out for GOOD.
dewdrop
2008-11-15 14:12:18 UTC
I grew up in WV and remember the stories and history of the "mine wars" when unions finally made it into the coal mines.

What the coal barons were doing to miners was inhumane. People these days take their decent wages and decent working conditions for granted. They don't realize what a huge role unions played in securing those higher wages and safe working conditions. If we did away with unions, do you think owners of companies would on their own pay decent wages or care one bit about their employees? Their bottom line is profit, not their workers.
wider scope
2008-11-15 14:08:27 UTC
We aren't.



lol - and I suppose you have no awareness of Wal-Mart's role in the election of Bill Clinton, do you? What very large American corporation provided him with their private planes during his first run for the presidency? Or, what very large American corporation bought and paid for the trade agreements he signed with China within the first few months of his presidency.



I suppose you think you're union is there to support YOU, don't you? I can only say, you haven't been screwed until you've been screwed by your union, as many Americans have - without recourse.



Soooo funny that you give these examples as proof of Republican self-hate.
ALunaticFriend
2008-11-15 14:16:45 UTC
The Unions are in it for themselves. The corps are in it for themselves.So is the government. Do you believe a Union that does not back off when a comp. is in trouble is a good Union.
anonymous
2008-11-15 14:06:52 UTC
Unions need to spread out internationally. With no foreign people and their environments to exploit, companies will just stay here in the good ole USA.



America must be the arsenal of fair labor. It's a moral issue. Real morals values is something republicans need to learn.
gone fishin
2008-11-15 14:04:22 UTC
I live in a "right to work" state and our area is getting a VW plant. Maybe some of your soon to be unemployed workers can come looking for a job.



Or, they can collect unemployment benefits until they run out and then get welfare and sit there and whine.



But the entire nation shouldn't have to pay the tab for poor business-making decisions that were made without asking us.
anonymous
2008-11-15 14:06:38 UTC
Nature of their make up
anonymous
2008-11-15 14:09:30 UTC
I truly believe Reps have either a mutated gene or no gene at all.

There is no explanation for the baffling stance that they take.
anonymous
2008-11-15 14:09:57 UTC
If Sarah Palin was your only hope, wouldn't you hate yourself?
anonymous
2008-11-15 14:03:02 UTC
Because they know they are cowards, liars and hypocrites.


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