Question about the health care debates . . . ?

Question

I would like to hear logical answers from both sides and not foolish modern platitudes. Why is the average republican opposed to health care? Democrats arguments for HC are backed by statistical evidence by non-partisan, reliable world sources such as the CIA World fact book. The republicans always give odd answers about some old relative waiting to get surgery in Canada or something. Can anyone give a well formatted argument that is backed by credible sources (not fox news) against health care reform. I am interested in hearing and definitely not mocking anybody. Please no hater comments. Thank you.

Answer 1

The cost of financing will be far more that is being said, just like Medicare spending that is about nine times the projected spending today that when put in place over thirty years ago. Using ten years of "revenue" for six years of benefits and calling it deficit neutral is disingenuous and hides the fact that the costs are actually double what is being purported. There are some accounting gimmicks included also, one example is using $500 billion in Medicare cuts as savings then adding it back as revenue. It also relies on certain federal programs set up under the "stimulus" package that passed last year that serve no other purpose. This was done to further obscure the true costs. There is a separate so called "docs bill" being considered that reinstates $200 billion is 'savings' from the 'health care" bill. Another cost that is not considered.



The provisions that exist now in the proposed legislation will eventually do two things, the first is it encourages businesses to drop existing coverages and put more people into the government "system" and second creates an environment, by putting in "cost controls", that will eliminate most smaller insurance companies thus limiting choice.



As written, the legislation allows for the Secretary of Health and Human Services entirely too much unilateral control with out the proper oversight. No less than forty times the phrase "at the discretion of the Secretary of Health and Human Services" or some variation appear. This along with vague statements that allow for further interpretation can be dangerous.

And contrary to what the administration has said, nowhere in the proposed legislation is there a guarantee that someone can retain their current insurance or doctor.



Obvious violations of the Constitution.

Mandating that all private citizens enter into a contract with a private company to purchase a good or service, or be punished by a fine labeled a "tax," is unprecedented in American history.



I am all for reform of the health care delivery system to reduce costs and cover everyone, but the current proposed legislation does not effectively do either.

There are many smaller steps taken incrementally that would be more effective in the long run.

Answer 2

Well rationing will continue. For it already happens now, but it will be fairer when it does happen and will not happen as often. I am always amazed how many Americans seem not to be aware about the real healthcare issues relying instead on FOX and other sources to spread lies about the healthcare system of the USA and those abroad. I mean, if healthcare in nations with universal coverage is so bad, why do they keep it? Obama wants to make insurance more available to all and change the system so that it gives the American people value for money [1]. He also wants change so that the insurance companies find it harder to get out of paying for treatment. The system he is proposing looks similar to that which works in Taiwan where private companies are involved in providing healthcare [2]. Obama campaigned on reforming the healthcare system. He said he wanted to make insurance more available and he was elected to do this [3]. FACT - the US has higher death rates for kids both for kids aged under one and those under five than western European countries with universal health coverage [4]. FACT – American insurance companies push up prices and work to stop paying out claims on those they cover [5]. FACT - the USA spends more on healthcare PER PERSON than any other nation on the planet [6]. That means that a dead American four year old would have had a better chance of life if they were born in any western nation with universal health coverage. If you do not like the policies that Obama was elected to bring in, he can always be voted out of office in 2012. But if you disagree with the facts, please let me know. I am always willing to learn, but please provide proof. None of those who disagree with me have been able to do that so far.

Answer 3

no ones against health care reform. its obamacare conservatives are against. obamas bill is 2400pages long.

the cbo wouldnt put a price tag on it due to lack of information, so we have no idea how much itll cost.

obama claims it will do a lot of things, but he hasnt said how.

it raises taxes immediately, during a recession when thats the last thing we need, and the rest of the bill doesnt kick in until 2014.

the GOP has put a lot of ideas forth, and obama has finally put some in the bill, but thats just a show of bipartisanship, not actual bipartisanship. real bipartisanship would be starting over and letting democrats and republicans draft a bill together.

this bill will in reality raise costs, although obama says itll lower them. obama claims that people will have better coverage because due to cost increases, they will choose better insurance.

supposedly after subsidies it will cut premiums for a lot of america, but those subsidies arent free, theyll just cost us in taxes. and the actual cost of premiums will go up.

itll cut medicare benefits. some people will lose their current insurance.

itll also force everyone to get insurance, which is completely unconstitutional.

it has money for abortions.

its said to cover 30million more people, but in reality theres only about 8million that need coverage. the others either can afford it and havent bought it, are eligible for medicaid and havent applied, or are illegal aliens. if theres only this many uninsured, why not just raise the medicaid income ceiling or medicare age? if we went through medicare and medicaid and cut all the fraud out, we could do that with a smaller budget than the programs have now.

its against public opinion. only 35% of people want it passed before midterms, 61% say scrap the plan and start over, only 39% of people approve of the plan while 58% disapprove.

obamas deficit neutral claims cover 10 years of revenue and only 6 years of costs. in reality, it wouldnt be deficit neutral. and even that is going by obamas estimated cost. we all know government estimates are always modest.

obama is breaking his promise not to raise taxes on anyone making under 250k.

it wont cap insurance company limits other than the lifetime limit. they could still use yearly limits that are pretty much the same thing.

there would be rationing, as you cant cut costs and increase coverage without it.

a lot of businesses will likely get rid of their employees policies.

the reconciliation bill is likely to change from the current bills in order to get the votes, and the changes will cost money.

it doesnt help the problem of the patient being the center of their own health care, it puts the government there.

the bill also doesnt address the fact that our health care is so expensive because our procedures are so expensive, although i dont have a solution to that.

what it comes down to is no one knows exactly what the effect of this giant bill will be, and we need to try out smaller solutions first. i dont think tort reform or buying across state lines will fix it completely, but why not see what those can do and reevaluate the situation before blindly passing something as big as obamacare? we need to fix health care incrementally, not overnight.



i think those links should cover all of my arguments, and i appreciate the mature question. theres not many of those from liberals on this site.



it said i have too many sources in the sources box, so here is the rest.

http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/mclemente/obamacares-budget-trickery

http://www.atr.org/obamacare-plan-breaksbr-tax-pledge-a4556

http://holycoast.blogspot.com/2010/03/10-worst-provisions-of-obamacare-bill.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FvHVd+%28HolyCoast.com%29

http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/2010/03/obamacare-fraud.html

http://www.bluegrasspundit.com/2010/03/abortion-funding-is-derailing-obamacare.html

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTExYWFlYTMwYTcxNzlhYzUzNzdmZWQyODA0YjZkMTg=

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/ryan-healthcare-gop-obama/2010/02/25/id/350962

Answer 4

My argument that health care reform is constitutional.



There is no public option in the current health care reform bill so the government is not providing health care. The government is providing health care reform or regulation. That the government can do per the U.S. Constitution.



U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 8

The Congress shall have Power ...

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes.





REGULATE: To adjust by rule, method or established mode; as, to regulate weights and measures; to regulate the assize of bread; to regulate our moral conduct by the laws of God and of society; to regulate our manners by the customary forms.

2. To put in good order; as, to regulate the disordered state of a nation or its finances.

3. To subject to rules or restrictions; as, to regulate trade; to regulate diet.









COMMERCE - 1. In a general sense, an interchange or mutual change of goods, wares, productions, or property of any kind, between nations or individuals, either by barter, or by purchase and sale; trade; traffick. Commerce is foreign or inland. Foreign commerce is the trade which one nation carries on with another; inland commerce, or inland trade, is the trade in the exchange of commodities between citizens of the same nation or state. Active commerce.



Like health insurance



However i do not think making coverage mandatory coverage is constitutional.

Answer 5

Obamacare is about Obama being insurance salesman trying to lure US into signing a lifetime contract to buy health insurance.

During campaign he said about going after the health insurance co., but now after become president he wants to mandate us to buy insurance ?

He is trying to reach more into our "holed" wallets and pockets.



We should get rid of those insurance who block the way between doctor and patient.

Why the people who never buy insurance (people on Medicaid) can win millions in medical lawsuit, you can't claim lottery winning sum if you never buy the lottery ticket.



Give free healthcare to everybody now without mandatory to buy insurance. Let the people who buy insurance get Private HC.



In Canada, everyone get free healthcare without any mandatory to buy insurance.

With the similar tax rate to Canada, US should get free healthcare too without the obligation to pay additional amount for insurance. We pay Medicare Tax, we should get the free healthcare NOW instead of waiting until age 65.

IF we followed Canada example by giving everyone free public healthcare, then that time there will be two kinds of HC, Private for people who buy Health Insurance, and Public Healthcare for ALL.



US Income tax : 15% for income under $34,000.- ; 25% for income over $34,000.-

US Medicare tax : 1.45%, BUT we will be eligible for the healthcare LATER after age 65.

US Social Security Tax : 6.2% for employee.



Canada Income tax : 15% for the first income $40,726.- ; 22% for the next $40,726.-

Canada Medicare/Healthcare Tax (which they are eligible for the free healthcare NOW, not wait until age 65) : ...?

Health care is managed provincially so it varies by province.

In Ontario, health care tax rate is on a range between $300 and $900 (per year) dependent on income. The tax is collected through income tax. Those with income less than $20 000 are exempt.

In B.C., health care tax is collected outside of the income tax system, and it is reduced or eliminated for low income people.

In Alberta, there is no tax for health care.



Canada Social Security tax : ... ?



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Answer 6

Government is encroaching too much into our life already, the last thing you want to let them run your life is your family health care. It is a faceless, heartless bureaucracy.

Answer 7

Americans expectations and needs are too high for sustainability and our government can't do anything right.

Answer 8

no such argument exists. All you will get is repeated crap like 'obama is a socialist' or something disputing your flawless reasons why HR is good.