Question:
Where did I miss the bus? Is this the question coming to their mind?
MS - Believe in Ek Oankaar
2009-12-24 07:28:06 UTC
Few years back Congress was being defeated on every front and BJP had emerged as strongest political party in India. And from 2004 onwards the political environment reversed, what went wrong? Would BJP's veteran leaders Atal ji and Mr. Advani thinking where did we miss the bus?

My thoughts:

BJP with alliance partners came to power due to two reasons. 1. collapse of Congress, 2. Ram temple issue.

BJP had its chief minister in Uttar Pradesh from Feb 1998 to Nov 1999 and at the same time, they had its Prime Minister and Home Minister in Center. That was the golder time when BJP would have made attempt to build the grand Ram temple in Ayodhya and shown Hindus that they really for their emotion and merely politicize the religion.

But, instead they in order to save their government had put this issue in cold box and did not act. Excuse that it was not BJP government in center but alliance government only shows that it was power hunger. In 1992 also it was not BJP government at center. BJP was not ready to sacrifice its governments on the name of Ram but it chose power over Ram.

In my opinion, this was on of the grave mistake that cost them the trust of Hindu Votes on that they fully depend.
Remaining damage was made by Mr. Advani's statements regarding Jinnah. The statement was made to show Muslims that BJP is soft on Pakistan thus BJP cares for Muslims, but even Muslims rejected BJP saying that we are patriots, and we don't like ones who are soft of Pakistan.

Basically BJP missed the bus because it did dig its own grave with political blunders. And the biggest of them were no attempt to make Ram Temple when BJP had CM in UP and PM at Center, and Soft of Pakistan or praising Jinnah, How many of you do agree?
Eleven answers:
geyamala
2009-12-24 08:17:45 UTC
BJP on its own strength did not win the elections. it joined hands with socialists, trinamul congress,BJD , National conference and TDP and DMK or AIADMK. it had alliances with all parties in every state. thus it came to power and it is not BJP government but NDA government.

Vajpayee succeeded in managing his government for five years by distancing himself from controversial matters.

Due to not a wise propaganda that India is shining, though farmers committed suicide due to drought, and due to the unrest among the people against BJP's allies, it had been defeated in 2004.

from the defeat of 2004, the BJP did not learn any lessons. instead of strengthening its cadre, it heavily relied on its alliance parties like JD(u), DMK, Trinamul congress and BJD. these parties realized that the winning chances of BJP are bleak switched their loyalties and thus made BJP a lone party to carry on the battle in 2009, though JD(u) , was for the name sake remained as its partner, it did not allocate many seats to it in Bihar.

The retirement of Vajpayee, who had pan India appeal, paved way for the eclipse of the BJP in Indian politics. internal squabbles , relying on capitalists and ditching its committed swadesi economists and ideologues like Govindacharya, Gurumurthy and coming close to mining mafia in karnataka and its non democratic behavior in parliament, expulsion of its members for cash for questions scam, made it a deadwood.

another factor that contributed to the defeat of BJP was the Mayawathi factor in UP which state sends more MPs and Rahul Gandhi's factor in UP who boosted his party in the UP.

Social psychologists say, India or any other country in the world does not accept extreme left and extreme right parties. People prefer center of right or center of the left. the same thing happened in India. the US, and other Latin American countries.

In near future, i firmly believe the future of so called communists and right wing elements like BJP and Sivasena is bleak unless they collaborate with any party for the sake of power.

The psycho analysis of the BJP tells us the causes of its debacle. its committed cadre are not happy with it diluting Hindutwa philosophy and Swadeshi economy and they could not digest the NDA's policies appeasing the American government and National conference in Kashmir. they were disappointed as no Ram Mandir was constructed in Ayodhya. Edit . If the BJP follows Hindutwa policy, it would be isolated because no other party in the country openly support Hindutwa policy . Thus it is under catch 22 situation.

In psychology this type of situation is called "approach avoidance conflict".

Another thing is , it miserably failed in safeguarding the interests of north Indian people. it did not launch any struggle against MNS, which attacked north Indians who are also Hindus.

Another fact is, the BJP is supported not by masses but by English speaking middle class people. they speak but not vote when elections come.

Another thing is, as an opposition party, it failed to launch mass struggles against drought, skyrocketing prices, land distribution to the poor, farmers suicide..

Social psychologist Kuppuswamy stated in his book " an introduction to social psychology' that people can be influenced by mantras like food, shelter which are their primary needs.

THIS IS PURELY AN ANALYSIS EMPLOYING THE TOOLS OF SOCIAL PSYCHOLOGY.

E&OE
J.SWAMY I ఇ జ స్వామి
2009-12-24 21:13:51 UTC
Any political party that tastes power becomes corrupt. BJP had no time to complete Ram temple. Ram temple is a Hindu issue not a political issue.. Successive governments at state and centre brain washed Indians to believe that worshiping Ram and building a temple for Him is an act of treachery in secular India. BBC and CNN covering Ayodhya incident repeatedly said "Hindu God-king Ram " and none objected .All Hindus missed the bus
Blue_Fox
2009-12-25 06:11:46 UTC
I will give a very brief answer.



BJP came to power and won because of its Hindutva policies which at that time most Indians perhaps appreciated. It was not put to practice by any BJP government. Secondly you can not preach religion on empty stomachs. The country needed development. But the BJP governments and the politicians behaved exactly like other party members, indulging in corruption and nepotism. At the moment, there is no difference between BJP or any other parties. All of them lack integrity, are full of corrupt people who can not implement their promises.



The only exception appears to be Mr Modi. In addition to Hindutva, he has implemented many development schemes in Gujarat. That is why he is getting reelected.
2009-12-25 02:26:16 UTC
Babri Masjid demolition was not a Blunder for BJP at that time rather it was a very good platform to impress Hindus to lure them to get votes and establish their hegemony in all over India. For few years it worked- (till their voters who had demolished the structure) turned matured and shift their Hinduthva perception.



Again they concretized its platform by showing its vigor for building Ram temple at the same spot and made whole Hindu community happy and keep luring votes and becoming solid day by day. Till this time BJP was a savior of Hinduthva and Hindus.



They really hit their own axe on their feet when they started associating themselves with RSS and involved in Gujrath ethnic pogroms which proved very detrimental for their party. This is one of the biggest blunder which BJP has made in India History. This provide a huge source for even Hindus to shift their perception towards congress and look for a secular and stable governance.



The same public who were immature in 1992 rejected BJP in recent elections. Humiliated BJP & Co., which triggered in huge rebellion within the party ultimate breaking down and lead to crisis.
2009-12-24 09:02:54 UTC
agreeing on some points............



but anyway this is what a seventeen year old guy interprects when it comes to ram mandir.....i dont kno who did the storming of bastellie..i mean babri................or what would be the future of the babri ghost.......all i kno is that the hindu pride is at stake.....and i m ready to support bjp provided that they do fulfill the promise of ram mandir at some point of time........well there could have perhaps been many other reason which didnt allow bjp to do so during their regime......but anyway atleast they are saying that they would build one...while the others are shouting ya ali!!!.....well this isnt a hindu muslim divide......but a matter of hindu pride...!





well again...advani doesnt represents the whole of bjp as such.........it is his personal opinion on considering jinnah as secular....but anyway.......well yes i can say taht many of them in the bjp dont really like him saying all tat....aftermath point is valid here....ideological confusion exits.



well the best way out for bjp to emerge as a stronger opposition is birth of another atalji...........and looking at the present situation.nitin gadkari i guess may be the very right man...u r wrong to consider him a hindutva posterboy as such..rather he is responsible for bringing in many muslims and dalits in bjp........he is a decent man and moreover rss doesnt preaches hatred so even if he is under rss influence..he isnt a bad man......i trust him.....well i do hope bjp gets only stronger from here on.....we need some heavy weights back in the party like jaswant singh....even kalyan singh for making sizeable presence in up...................uma bharti isnt bad as an ally...like maybe during 2014 elections.......we also need better allies like a united maratha force.....and stronger akalis..and a better control on southern india....hope we get a stronger opposion if not victory in 2014!



by the way merry christmas!
mukul (still busy on a project)
2009-12-24 09:48:16 UTC
First of all i agree with some of your points,but we have to understand the story of congress opponenets politics. In our country no oposition could have ruled for more then 5 years and BJP along with new formula of co-olition politics in the name of NDA had done this for 6 years.



The prime reason of congress downfall was due to lost of ground in Up and Bihar(Mandal-Kamandal era) which together send almost 150 MP in the Loksabha.



On the other hand prime reason of the surge of BJP was due to it,s expolitaton of an emotive issue such as Ram temple. The day babari mosque was demolished the emotional value of Ram Temple issue declined after all there was no hate symbol in Ayodhya.May be advani was right in saying that it was the saddest day of his life for the reaosn they could not be able to exploit the issue more.



The construction of Ram temple would not make a great future of BJP either. Here you should understand one more thing that BJP was the darling of educated urban middle class which is the backbone of every society also which works in the direction of making popular perception.



Thsese middle class have a perception that today India is lacking behind in every filed due to corrupt practice and wrong policies of Congress which had ruled India since independence.But when BJP come to the center with the help of the cocktail of Ram temple issue and anti-congress sentiments,soon this middle class understand nothing has changed very much the leaders are same policies are same corruption is still there among politicians and beauraucrats. So nothing that of a great value has changed.



But even then everything was going good for BJP, but suddenly 2002 happens which may have given BJP a short term result in gujarat or have please dradicals with in BJP and RSS, but in the long run BJP has lost it,s credibility even among Moderate thinking Hindus.



Now every ally of BJP has an excuse of 2002 riots to left the co-olition in the middle .



I think i,m taking long so in short i would sum up the reason of decline of BJP as per my thinking:_



A:-The lost of middle class vote bank.



B:-The lack of strong leadership.



C:-The state leaders emerge stronger then the centeral one like Modi,Raje ,khandoori,Bbaulala marandi, Uma bharati, Kalyan singh .In short BJP couldn,t hold there personal ambition and aspirations.



D:-Lack of any emtioanal issue such as Ram temple( Sarcastic but truth)



E:-Over indulgence of RSS in the internal matters of BJP, during Atal-Advani era they have been credited to keep RSS on it,s fences and not to get too much influenced by them. This resulted in the induction of wonderful leadres with Non -RSS background leaders such as Yashwant sinha, Arun shouri, Jagmaohan,Jaswant singh.



F:- Old age ideology of RSS, The world is going to Mars and MOOn they are still stucked on the GO-Gram yatra, they are highly obsessed with Gau mata Gobar and Go mutra.Last election in Haryana BJP manifesto which was prepared by RSS old guard there was a line that sya that if BJP would come in to the power in Haryana they would ban the high volume disco music as it is effecting the milk production of Cows.Now what kind of manifesto is this :)



I think BJP thought process should be connecting young people with fresh ideas and there politics should be of inclusive in nature which they lacks.They sould win the heart of Muslims,as you cannot rule India by neglecting a large portion of population.Mayawati brahmin love is an example,if she can do it then any body can do .



I will sum up here i wanted to say many things but my fingers are tired now.



Have a nice day.
Foxlink
2009-12-24 07:32:31 UTC
um, ok? your question is a bit long, you should summarize it, and goverments go back and forth all the time, but 2015 this cycle will reset it's self
Sudan
2009-12-24 21:47:17 UTC
First of all no any singly political party can come in majority by avoiding majority's wishes.



Why congress reduce her numbers upto level as like she is only big regional party ?Because she divide majority by reservation policies and play minority card for political gain but failed.See what happened when Rajeev Gandhi came in power with hug seats in history after that he burned his hands in "Shabano case" and for Hindu votes he Open the locks of Ram Mandir ,both steps were faied drastically and make congress as like big regional party.



BJP united Hindu on Ram Mandir issue,every caste of Hindu have faith In Ram as his/her divine lord,Ramji is prime symbol of the character for any Hindu in his/her life.So the division of caste here irrelevant when Ram factor is there.



BJP &RSS wants to solve Ram Mandir issue by a mutual understanding with the deal by understanding of both religions people.Rath Yatra of Advaniji helped to integrate all divided Hindu on one issue.He have done it, which is mile stone in Indian politics.Hindu feel that now they have one platform where their voice can be hear in this failed democracy,for which congress is only responsible, to avoid them.



No any leader wants to demolish that structure ,they all were there on a show ,to shows there unity and strength because without it you will never bring other fundamental forces(Muslims) on a table for any deal.But when the masses become out of control than no body can stop the damages,which was happened.



After NDA came in power his intention was the same toward Ram Mandir,they wants to solve this issue by mutual understanding and they have worked with full efforts toward it.They were sincere toward their duty as a true Nationalist.If they are only after the political mileage than they can build Ram Mandir before the election,in last year of their regime.If they have done this than every body can understand what hug support they could gained.But they have not done it,so they are true Nationalist not after only power.



NDA lost in 2004 because of over confidence only,in last election they have lost due to their own conflicts within party leaders at minute level.Its all happens when center controlling system failed.Why it was failed it is matter to annalyse.



What every BJP is today in National picture,no body can deny that it is because of L.K.Advani and his leadership quality.Biggest mistake have been done by BJP and RSS by weaken or pass the comments against Advaniji after his statement on Jinnah.No body have taken it in right way,it can make a again mile stone step in Indian politics if they use it to expose Congress 's history and their causes.Mr.Jaswant Sing have written a book to explain it further but again taken it in wrong way.



We know Jinnah is emotional issue for India because of division of India as Congress have portrait one sided picture to save her skin.Jinnah was never a religious minded man and never play a communal politics till Nehruji and Gandhiji subside him and refuse to share power with him.



We can read the speech of Jinnah after partition which was address to Pakistan.He wants a secular Pakistan,freedom to all religion on their faith to follow their own religion freely without any intervention of state policies.



Than why India have division and lacks of people have lost their life during this partition,who are culprit in real means.What wonder mistakes they have done for personal ambition ?These all can expose Congress history and it will very harmful for congress to take responsibility of division of India on religion basis.



These emotional people of RSS could not understand it because they are not a politician,here I am confused why Advaniji have not taken in confidence RSS and prime leaders of his party.After all this episode RSS passed some statements against Advaniji and Advaniji have resigned form his post.IT WAS THE TURNING POINT TO WEAKEN BJP IN ALL MEANS.Once prime leader weaken than party lost his leadership and quality leadership with vision than every second leader rises his voice to gain more.The same picture we can see if this Gandhi family remove or weaken than congress will proceed to disaster..



Present condition of BJP was due to their own leaders not because of any other party is doing well.Once they understand and altogether come under one strong leadership than they again have very shining picture all over India.Some extend democracy in party also harmful for loose the "ANUSHASAN".A strong leader can only control it ,BJP & RSS should think about it and make a strong leader with all power in their hands and make sure that every one should follow the instruction without any fail,no any consideration after the any decision .
2009-12-24 10:39:17 UTC
I am not at liberty to discuss that. However, if express your thoughts on criteria for candidates for voting, I would love to hear from you.
Only in America!
2009-12-24 07:39:44 UTC
I have read all of this and don't know what to say
Shy, The Logician
2009-12-24 13:24:40 UTC
i don't agree with you.

1> a congress supporter talking of Power Hunger?



in this world most power mongering people are filled in Congress.Congress before independence showed all Indian's dream of what they can do after India got freedom? they told they will again make India the golden bird.have India become golden bird ?isn't that power hunger.Indira Gandhi to obtain power once told that she will eliminate poverty in election before 40 years and see today also one-third people of India are living in poverty.whereas after issuing her statement congress got 26 years government after that.has poverty eliminated ? isn't that power hunger? Congress has been talking of unity from the time it was formed, but to maintain power it is using caste based politics isn't caste based politics damaging unity of our country.isn't that power hunger ?



in 1980 to fall Morarji desai's Government Indira Gandhi used charan singh to firstly fall desai's government than make him prime minister by giving him support and than foreseeing that there no chance of again alliance between desai and Charan singh she felled his government too by withdrawing support.isn't that was power hunger?



let's take latest example.Congress tried to win 2009 election that there party was party of common man.if that is true than why common man is now been make to suffer in this way.why food rate and inflation rises with such pace when Congress come's to power.if congress is failed in this aspect why isn't she replacing some other person with Sharad Pawar(Because he is main culprit of inflation).the reason is Maharashtra Government depends on him.that means Congress is ready to make people of india to eat less but isn't ready to replace a non working minister with one that can do something.isn't this power hunger?



thus if you call BJP a power hunger party than congress is champion in this thing too.



2> NDA alliance come to power due to reason:-

have you think that way that if congress had performed well economic and social reforms and if it had been honest to people since independence than why would people need BJP or any other party? my point is policies of Congress created popularity of BJP and thus congress is to be blamed for creation of BJP.and thus NDA.Congress was there from time when there wasn't large political party if they have played well if they don't do caste based politics would any other party that want to emerge as alternate choice of congress dare to do religious or caste politics? i am sure indian public would have surely thrown that party in sea.



3> why BJP formed NDA?

Upto 1998 elections people of India were making BJP largest party over all parties in two consecutive elections but in loksabha they can't form government because they weren't getting on their own enough to make government.if BJP won't have formed the government than people would have again shifted to congress because how much time public would tolerate government of Gowda's and Gujaral.when they know that by voting to BJP no government has to be formed so why would they vote for them.and so BJP tried NDA as a way of getting them 272 mark in loksabha themselves.BJP would have thought that by doing good governance they can increase there mass base in region where Ayodhaya had no effect but 2004 gave result that public wasn't satisfied with governance.so if same BJP would have been successful in 2004 election to get around 250 seats then NDA would have been dissolved and BJP with it natural allies SS and SAD would have created Ram Mandir.

But since you only want to see negative point of BJP( But still say others to become positive) people like you say that BJP choose the path of NDA to grab power and then due to political compulsion they forget Ram temple.



yes i agree to your last point regarding Advani's opportunism( to call Jinnah a secular) he got what was befitting reply from public in 2009 elections.so it can be accredited one of the reason behind defeat of BJP because it was negative spot that Advani can't remove.



and to your original question:

1> the wrong thing in BJP is inner fighting which isn't allowing space for new leaders of younger generation to come.so Leadership crisis.



2> mass base instead of expanding is shrinking due to their policy similarity with congress in economics and governance.so Congress has been given undue advantage of so called secular votes(consists of minority votes),SC,ST votes (because congress is champ in doing caste based politics) whereas BJP 's vote bank which is traditional middle class is shifting due to shifting of middle class youth voter to congress.Congress is using RG to connect with youth, BJP Central leadership doesn't have today such leader to connect with youth.



3> they are locked in Hindi heartland and to come to power they instead of relying on other allies should make their own base stronger in that region.They have worst policy whenever they get ally in region they lose their identity of separate party when they were allies with TDP in Andhara pradesh they lose their identity and so when alliance was broken many voter of BJP shifted to TDP because they weren't knowing any face in BJP Andhara state unit.so they must change their policy e.g instead of depending on SS in Maharashtra now they themselves should try to take some local positions for public example SS is always opposing Vidarbha formation but everybody knows that in whole country worst managed part is Vidarbha and since Maharashtra is a very large state and government of Maharashtra is not able to deliver so it must be spitted.so BJP must take a stand to separate Vidarbha and thus make separate identity from it's ally.



@Ms have you read my answer completely?


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