Question:
Why do liberals accuse conservatives of not caring for the poor when it is liberals who are opposed to?
sunshine
2012-06-19 02:59:43 UTC
The minimum wage. Consider this:

I am a rich person. I have no financial troubles and I am guaranteed to not have financial troubles.

I own my own home which I got as a gift from my grandmother in her will. I own a few cars. You could say I am well off.

I am more than happy to tutor disadvantaged kids for bargain prices. I do it mainly because it gives me satisfaction.

A free market means I am free to decide how much I charge. If I want to perform my services for near, zero, that is my right.

A union thug however would tell me that I have to have a minimum wage and that I can't perform my services for next to nothing because then other tutors might lose customers.

So much for caring liberals aye?
Twenty answers:
badmofaux
2012-06-20 07:02:19 UTC
I am having a hard time believing that someone who claims to have business savvy cannot make a distinction between liberal ideas and union thuggishness.



You can charge "near" zero.

Or, you can gift your tutoring.

Or, you can barter your tutoring in exchange for something those kids could offer (say yard work on your fabulous mansion's grounds).



And, since you're not doing this in a factory that had already negotiated and signed an agreement with a union, nobody would ever bother you.



Except maybe the IRS if you never declared your income from those "near zero" charges.



Basically, you're applying a caricatured, over-simplified view of the world to a much more nuanced situation.



Self- described "cons" do this all the time. You miss the bigger picture by trying to make every issue black-or-white, right-or-wrong, US vs. THEM.



Personally, I think "liberals" have done a lot of good. And, the only reason we have a minimum wage is because of the abusive way in which the giants of industry of the past have exploited and abused people. Consider the coal mining industry of the early 20th century.



We have unions as a direct reaction to exploitation and abuse.



The scenario you described, in which tutoring occurred at a "near zero" cost, involved no wages. No employer/employee contract. Instead of "tutoring services" swap it for the words "lemonade" or "hamburger." Are people buying burgers obligated to pay for the amount of time spent making the burger at no less than minimum wage? No.



Because that is a customer-vendor relationship.

Not an employer-employee relationship.



So, yes. Please charge impoverished children "near zero" for your oh-so-valuable knowledge to be shared with them.



But, do gain some first. Before you start filling kids' heads with nonsense.
Ken
2012-06-22 19:45:25 UTC
If we abolished the minimum wage the gap between rich and poor would be a whole hell of a lot wider than it is now. While we are at it, lets cut out all benefits. Would it create more jobs? No. Why? Because you couldn't afford to put fuel in your car to get to work. You would be working for nothing.
buckeye_12207
2012-06-21 05:22:56 UTC
Okay, the minimum wage is something like $7/hour, right ? If there was no minimum, how long would it be before the free market drove wages back to the order of $1/hour ? It used to be on that level, our history tells us so, and then workers organized for better conditions. Read, study, and think about it.





buckeye
john
2012-06-20 20:43:27 UTC
All those Union tutor thugs. Damn them. Idiots like you might think that this is why Conservatives oppose minimum wage laws, but this is a comically outlandish example. Lets talk about who REALLY want to see minimum wage laws abolished. Can you guess who they are? Besides rich tutors like yourself. LOL LOL What a TOOL!!!!!
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Martinicus the mighty!
2012-06-19 10:29:56 UTC
What gets me is their hypocrisy when they say that we do not care for the poor because we want to restructure, or eliminate the current welfare system! I NEVER see them at my local Rescue Mission which feeds the poor, and the homeless everyday! They won't even dare show up to help give them clean clothes and a shower that we do twice a week!



As far as I know, they just like to bang on their bongos, disrupt traffic, be disrespectful to laws, fly their favorite Communist flag, spread their propaganda, and for anyone else to have an opinion contrary to theirs they show that they ain't so tolerant by getting violent!



Now if everything you say that you do is true, and I am assuming that you are telling the truth, that proves their hypocrisy of being "Fair" and "tolerant" to which they are not!



They in all actuality are in favor of a government system of Marxism which time and again has proven to be a complete failure! Fair and tolerant it is not! You do not have a middle class! You either have the rich, or the poor! And only those that have the power, will gain more power, and those that are poor, will be poorer!



Now what the liberal/progressives will never get is the fact that people like me and you discover the truth! We see it first hand. . . We see through the lies and their hypocrisy! You see me and you we do things that actually are a benefit for the community! Me and you are the REAL community workers! I do not need Fox News (as a matter of fact I never get my information from Fox News) as a matter of fact, I just look all around me! Even at the local Homeless services, I seldom see liberals there! I am a born again Protestant Christian! I do these things not only because Christ himself said so, but I get a joy out of helping those that are less fortunate even though myself, I do not have much myself! You and I do have something in common! We see right on through the liberals facade (Fuh-sawd) as they paint themselves to being someone that cares, but in reality they care only about their power!
Vice Pays to Virtue
2012-06-19 03:03:54 UTC
You joined a trade union? Just to tutor kids? How very progressive of you.



Would this be a purely hypothetical "union thug"? Those hypothetical union thugs have been getting a lot of mileage on Y!A recently...



I think you'll find that the minimum wage does not apply to the self-employed. If, however, in your philanthropic goodness you decide that your disadvantaged kids should sweep some chimneys, or sew denim jeans for 5 cents a day, you might find some of that pesky liberal labour law applies to you.
Shin Chan
2012-06-19 22:16:57 UTC
Comments like this: "EVERY liberal programs was PREDICTED to exacerbate poverty and ALL of them HAVE."



Are exactly the opposite of the truth. This person is either ignorant and was told lies, or they are a liar themselves.



If you look at the TIMING, each of these programs such as the "war on poverty" began exactly AFTER free market capitalism and mass production brought the poverty rate down from virtually 100%. And even worse - after the "war on poverty" started - the poverty rate hasn't gone down one bit.



If the opposite were true-if the poverty rate had started to come down AFTER the war on poverty started--he'd have a point. But that's not what happened. Sorry, you lose.
yutsnark
2012-06-19 09:54:51 UTC
You can work for less than minimum wage if you like. The restriction is on the employer, not the employee.
2012-06-19 03:30:35 UTC
"I own my own home which I got as a gift from my grandmother in her will. I own a few cars. You could say I am well off."



Yeah, until you worked your a** off to own a home, own vehicles and other things, You're just a spoiled brat who got it from mommy-dearest. You sure as hell didn't pour any sweat, blood or tears into it. And charge for disadvantage kids? Yeah, that discourages any education. (I.E. POOR, UNEDUCATED CHILDREN) You're no better than anyone else. In fact. Keep climbing that overly-built pedestal of yours. You will fall hard, face-first from it.
LightKun
2012-06-19 03:02:03 UTC
Because politics is a load of messed up rubbish with a bunch of hypocritical over paid T*sser*
Smoking Joe
2012-06-19 03:13:15 UTC
You are for a minimum wage or against it? Make up your mind.
beren
2012-06-19 09:12:45 UTC
Based on your nonsensical story, I agree that your tutoring is not worth very much.
John
2012-06-19 03:45:57 UTC
False.
2012-06-19 03:04:38 UTC
I tutor for free and ima conservative
2012-06-19 03:46:16 UTC
Someone has been lying to you . You should get your money back. Keep all receipts too.
Wake Up
2012-06-19 03:10:24 UTC
You can legally volunteer, or work for whatever rate you wish if you are self-employed.



Your argument is null, think it through next time.



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2012-06-19 03:04:25 UTC
That story must have taken you a while ?
2012-06-19 03:10:28 UTC
You are a moron and all that is wrong with America.
Peace Through Blinding Force
2012-06-19 07:26:25 UTC
EVERY liberal programs was PREDICTED to exacerbate poverty and ALL of them HAVE.


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