Question:
With how much violence and hatred and tyranny there is in the Middle East, why would anyone in their right mind go there?
2016-01-21 12:20:18 UTC
Nearly every single mideast govt is corrupt and bloodthirsty and ruled by an evil tyrant who'll have you thrown in jail and tortured just for criticizing him, except Israel but even then Netanyahu is a big racist nutcase. And there's tons of violence and hatred against non-Muslims and sensible Muslims who disagree with Hamas or Hezbollah or the Kurdish terrorists or ISIS or al-Qaeda.

Heck now Stockholm and Berlin and London and Paris are being turned into hellholes by lots of thugs coming in from the Middle East.
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Reverend Master of Curses
2016-01-21 12:21:23 UTC
Oil.
Kansas Z
2016-01-21 12:32:42 UTC
People who go to live in the Middle East come from countries like India and Pakistan. They move there to make money to support their families. These are often poor, or lower middle class people without much education. The men often go and work in the oil industry there for months at a time to support their families back home. Sometimes they will even bring their families over there as well. Obviously this is not an ideal living situation, but these are people who are don't have much education and don't have the means to immigrate to a western country. So their lives would actually be much worse if they stayed in their own country. Countries like Saudi Arabia, Oman, and UAE pay their workers a good salary, they provide them with cars, housing, and free healthcare. So, as you can see, it really is quite a deal for them. Once they get older and want to retire, they take all the money they earned in the Middle East and live like kings in their country of origin.
2016-01-21 12:27:52 UTC
With how much violence and hatred and tyranny there is in the Middle East, why would anyone in their right mind go there?



I ask myself that about the USA these days!
Ron
2016-01-21 12:41:00 UTC
Excellent. I haven't checked your links but just as a read, it is the most intelligent thing I have seen here in years.



In a SHTF situation, I think Iran is coming over to us. Iranians are oppressed by the mullahs that they call "the woolies" and while they might have been seen as a better alternative to the Shah - think about that - their usefulness has long passed. Iranians are a forward looking, youngish nation with modern aspirations. I think they can ditch the embarassing woolies in the near future. Theocracy is not working for them on any level and Obama is right to make friendship noises.



Also, to our mutual benefit, they are not Arabs culturally. They have a distinct Persian identity. Which, I am just musing here, also applies to the Pashtun - Dari and Farsi are the same language, right? Maybe we get Afghanistan too, in let's say fifty years.



On the other side, we have to let Saudi Arabia go. It's a moral and practical necessity. If western civilization is to mean anything, it has to mean the rule of law. Not that anyone is so naive as to pretend that our guys won't violate every constitutional ideal when necessary (cough CIA cough) but to be in an overt alliance with the repressive oil kingdoms is bad business and chops American pretension as a human rights leader at the knees.
2016-01-21 12:31:16 UTC
Not the Kurds believe it or not .



I spent time in Sulimaniyah in Iraq and it is a great city. Friendly people, diverse, thriving business....the women all look like Kim Kardashian too



Granted, this is the minority...but all the more reason we should be supporting the Kurds
RestiveRedhead
2016-01-21 12:59:49 UTC
People are only going to the relatively stable areas like Sauid Arabia, noboby is moving to Syria, in fact people are leaving Syria by the train load.
2016-01-21 12:43:54 UTC
Saddam actively fostered the modernization of the Iraqi economy along with the creation of a strong security apparatus to prevent coups within the power structure and insurrections apart from it. Ever concerned with broadening his base of support among the diverse elements of Iraqi society and mobilizing mass support, he closely followed the administration of state welfare and development programs.



At the center of this strategy was Iraq's oil. On June 1, 1972, Saddam oversaw the seizure of international oil interests, which, at the time, dominated the country's oil sector. A year later, world oil prices rose dramatically as a result of the 1973 energy crisis, and skyrocketing revenues enabled Saddam to expand his agenda.



Within just a few years, Iraq was providing social services that were unprecedented among Middle Eastern countries. Saddam established and controlled the "National Campaign for the Eradication of Illiteracy" and the campaign for "Compulsory Free Education in Iraq," and largely under his auspices, the government established universal free schooling up to the highest education levels; hundreds of thousands learned to read in the years following the initiation of the program. The government also supported families of soldiers, granted free hospitalization to everyone, and gave subsidies to farmers. Iraq created one of the most modernized public-health systems in the Middle East, earning Saddam an award from the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO).[19][20]



To diversify the largely oil-based Iraqi economy, Saddam implemented a national infrastructure campaign that made great progress in building roads, promoting mining, and developing other industries. The campaign revolutionized Iraq's energy industries. Electricity was brought to nearly every city in Iraq, and many outlying areas.



Before the 1970s, most of Iraq's people lived in the countryside, where Saddam himself was born and raised, and roughly two-thirds were peasants. But this number would decrease quickly during the 1970s as the country invested much of its oil profits into industrial expansion.



Nevertheless, Saddam focused on fostering loyalty to the Ba'athist government in the rural areas. After nationalizing foreign oil interests, Saddam supervised the modernization of the countryside, mechanizing agriculture on a large scale, and distributing land to peasant farmers.[11] The Ba'athists established farm cooperatives, in which profits were distributed according to the labors of the individual and the unskilled were trained. The government's commitment to agrarian reform was demonstrated by the doubling of expenditures for agricultural development in 1974-1975. Moreover, agrarian reform in Iraq improved the living standard of the peasantry and increased production, though not to the levels for which Saddam had hoped.



Saddam became personally associated with Ba'athist welfare and economic development programs in the eyes of many Iraqis, widening his appeal both within his traditional base and among new sectors of the population. These programs were part of a combination of "carrot and stick" tactics to enhance support in the working class, the peasantry, and within the party and the government bureaucracy.



Saddam's organizational prowess was credited with Iraq's rapid pace of development in the 1970s; development went forward at such a fevered pitch that two million persons from other Arab countries and even Yugoslavia worked in Iraq to meet the growing demand for labor.



Gaddafi



1, There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.

2, There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at zero percent interest by law.

3, Having a home considered a human right in Libya.

4, All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 dinar (U.S.$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.

5, Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25 percent of Libyans were literate. Today, the figure is 83 percent.

6, Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kickstart their farms are all for free.

7, If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need, the government funds them to go abroad, for it is not only paid for, but they get a U.S.$2,300/month for accommodation and car allowance.

8, If a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidizes 50 percent of the price.

9, The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.

10, Libya has no external debt and its reserves amounting to $150 billion are now frozen globally.

11, If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession, as if he or she is employed, until employment is found.

12, A portion of every Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.

13, A mother who gives birth to a child receive U.S.$5,000.

14, 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $0.15.

15, 25 percent of Libyans have a university degree.

16, Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Manmade River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.
2016-01-21 12:23:35 UTC
Who wants to go there...
2016-01-21 12:21:56 UTC
As far as I can tell the elites are betting the farm on the following plan.



The free world doesn't trust Putin. Putin gets away with tons of stuff because Russia supplies so much natural gas to Europe that no one can really object too much of anything Putin does.



The Saudis and other Arab countries have plenty of natural gas but nowhere to pipe it to. Syria and Iraq stand between Europe and the Arab world. No one was going to run a pipeline through those two countries with those crazy rulers -- they're worse than Putin. That would have given them too much power.



http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/aug/30/syria-chemical-attack-war-intervention-oil-gas-energy-pipelines



So Bush tries regime change in Iraq. Makes up weapons of mass destruction because he wants a pipeline. Fail.



So Obama tries to start something with Syria to push their government out. No one will support him, so he starts supporting the resistance. Then ISIS shows up and starts fighting Assad AND his resistance. Obama steps in and pretends to fight ISIS, but really only fights them if they fight the resistance. Assad is fair game. Obama wants the pipeline.



Putin sees Assad teetering and decides he has to annex Ukraine now. Once Assad falls, the Europeans might support fighting back. But as long as Assad is in power, Putin can grab what he thinks he needs.



Europe will meekly go along because they need the natural gas only Putin can supply.



The Saudis, of course, REALLY want the pipeline. So they decide to support Obama by lowering the price of gas, essentially ensuring the US economy remains robust so that we continue to support regime change in Syria. Basically, it has turned the US into Saudi mercenaries, at least in part.



This is why Obama repeatedly rejected the Keystone Pipeline between the US and Canada, which would have created countless Jobs for Americans. Canada then goes along with Obama, agreeing to accept thousands of refugees.



The refugees are the pawns in this game, meant to benefit the Saudis AND the Europeans. So Europe steps up and takes massive numbers of refugees. Why? Not because they are good guys, but if the war results in too big of a humanitarian crisis, the world populace, in the dark over all of this, will demand an end to the war and Assad will remain in power. So Germany, who will be the greatest beneficiary of stable supplies of gas, tells Greece, who owes Germany a lot of money, that they can get some serious financial concessions by accepting refugees. Greece complies.



Putin sees Assad teetering, and doesn't much care about him, but doesn't want the pipeline to be built. So Putin steps in to the war to defend Assad.



So all the world's major events come down to a pipeline VS no pipeline. They are all connected to it. The Saudis are "betting the farm" over it. The pipeline will represent untold billions of dollars for centuries.



In the last month, there was a catastrophic terrorist attack on a bus in Egypt, and a group of tourist was held hostage. From what we know at this point, the tourist were not the targets themselves, but pawns, meant to lure out security guards, who the group then attacked. In the United States, 2 men have been arrested after special investigators discovered their connections to international terrorism. Both men were found out through Social Media post they made while they were supporting various terrorist organizations overseas. In Iraq, a man was arrested after he was found to have supported ISIS.



Recently, there was a deadly terrorist attack in the capital of Indonesia. This confirms what many have suspected for some time, and I have been mentioning before this attacked even happened. There is an ISIS cell hiding in the eastern jungles of Indonesia and certain individuals are backing it. But most people fail to look at this from the big picture. This situation is just a small detail.



http://www.wsj.com/articles/multiple-explosions-hit-indonesian-capital-of-jakarta-1452746376



In Indonesia they have been arresting backers of ISIS who are hiding in eastern jungles. Indonesia believes that Saudi Arabia is responsible for ISIS. According to Indonesia, there are some members of the Saudi Family who they have not been able to control, who are sending support to the Jihadist.



The struggle is between the Sunni in Saudi Arabia, who are governed by a monarchy, and the family of the prophet Mohammad, the Shiites of Iran, who are governed by a supreme leader. This rivalry goes back hundreds of years to the start of Islam, but today, we see it with oil and missiles. Saudi Arabia is in a particular problem as all of sudden the Saudis are over extended, they have lost a great deal of money in Yemen, blocking what they see as a rebellion backed by Iran. Now they are in a transition period, having to adjust to lower oil prices, and this goes against the social contract of Saudi Arabia where they don't tax the people, ensure stability, and the ruling party doesn't ask for a vote. Since 1945 Saudi Arabia has seen the U.S as its protector. But that relationship has deteriorated since the Iran deal.



The P5+1 was a transfer of 150 billion dollars to gain Iran's favor. Iran doesn't have the fire power to invade Saudi Arabia.



This conflict goes back to the rivalry between the inner rim and the outer rim.



http://www.silkroadstudies.org/resources/pdf/Monographs/1006Rethinking-4.pdf



Civilization began in the inner rim, but suddenly the nations of the outer rim could dominate the world as they overpowered the inner rim with maritime power and the collapse of ancient empires in China and Turkey.



Japan was the China of the 19th century, from the ability of its leaders to see that the only way to succeed was by joining the outer rim powers. The Chinese shut out the Europeans and pretended these advanced societies weren’t happening when they landed on their doorstep. Japan overhauled their entire society to catch up with the Europeans.



By the 20th Century, the idea developed that using force to change frontiers was an idea of the past. Germany could be crushed between the power of Great Britain and Russia, and in the 20th Century they got it very wrong. The people on the outer rim were worried that Germany and Russia would come together and Crush them. The people on the inner rim were worried that Germany and the outer rim would come together and crush them.



Now, the inner rim has started to push back. India gains independence from Great Britain. Mao wins the civil war in China. But Iran hasn’t tried to do this yet. They have a rouge regime like that of Mao’s China. It depends on which way they lean, into the heartland, or compromise with the outer rim countries. Over the last few years the inner rim countries did not do good leaning in towards the heartland nations like Russia, they did better when they leaned towards the west. But leaning outwards to the west ‘Too much’ when your economy kicks off can be bad. They need to find a middle ground towards independence.



The Russian Empire ended on its own. It couldn’t update its ideology; and the people no longer supported its ideas. Now Russia feels very exposed and very threatened by the outer rim, these countries with huge economies, they have to build up a geological buffer between these places between Russia and Germany, like Crimea, to gain access to the Black Sea; Russia can’t afford to let the Baltic States lean to the West. That is why Russia is willing to take on these sanctions. They are looking to modernize weapon systems and intercept communications but they are not planning such meetings as the U.S does. Instead they are centralizing their appearance as forceful. The recent leaking of the design for a Russian missile meant to bypass IBM defenses by Russian TV was an inside job to assert Russia’s capabilities. The situation is most volatile in Ukraine as Russia projects more proxy fighters into the nation and more Submarines into the Baltics.



In Ukraine and Syria , the Russians have interjected themselves into an electronic stage, jamming radars, stealing communication data, using models such as flash points, and moving artillery.



http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/21/russia-winning-the-electronic-war/



Iran and Saudi Arabia do not like each other. In the event of a WW3 type situation, China would join Russia, and Japan would join the Outer rim. North Korea who has already tested a fission weapon would work with Iran to create more effective long range missiles. As of now, Iran does not have the firepower to take down Saudi Arabia.



In addition, most of the ISIS fighters are coming from Bosnia (300 per month), one of the Balkans states that Russia is trying to annex. Bosnia has a total population of approximately 4 million; and a Muslim demographic of 1.8 million.



Trump claims he'll ban all Muslims entering the U.S. Trump opposed the war in Iraq, and is silent on Putin. This is why Putin approves of him.


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