Where Would YOU Begin To Explain to Liberals the Difference Between Patriotism and Dissent ?

Question

This seems to be a fundamental problem with many of the Liberal's Ideology . Countless times, they have posted material strongly stating that 'dissent' is a form of, or even DEFINES Democracy . WAAAAAY Off Base . While dissent is available and legal, it is absolutely NOT the definition of Democracy, nor is it ANY indication of Patriotism !! Who is responsible for inserting this discombobulated, twisted notion into the minds of our fellow Americans . The parallels between this notion, and the way Radical Islamists espouse their 'notions', is undeniably similar .

Answer 1

i said no more political questions but this is a good one. the difference is putting country above political affiliation which doesn't seem to be happening.

Answer 2

Both are usually appeals for things you ask for selfishly or ought to take care of yourself. The Lottery costs you a around 70 cents for each dollar of return on the long term, and it has only materialistic benefits. Prayer doesn t cost you anything, the results are based on the request s agreement with the perfect divine plan, and it can have eternal benefits. The Lottery will break your bank account, but investing in prayer builds your heavenly account -- if you have accepted the deposit that s waiting to take you out of the red.

Answer 3

Hermann Goering said after his capture: "Naturally the common people don't want war, neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”



I think that sums up my opinions about your beliefs.

Answer 4

I know the difference between patriotism and dissent. I'm an American patriot, because I believe in everything that the US Constitution stands for. If anything, it's people like Bush who aren't the true patriots, because they're doing everything they can to bend and twist the Constitution to suit their own ends. In fact, Bush said that the Constitution was just a "goddamned piece of paper", so he obviously has no understanding of or appreciation for what the Constitution is supposed to guarantee us. And whether you like it or not, the Constitution does give people like me the right to dissent.



"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."

Thomas Jefferson

Answer 5

Just tell them the true sacrafice is in the story and if they don't have one to share just like it, they should pack their bags and move to Mexico.. see story below and know that the mother of this child to this day, is sending care packages to our troops in memory of her son..



She is a true patriot whom must keep her mouth shut for the sake of DEMOCRACY.. It's a road less traveled, because it appears not to be a safe one.. (also note the others involved)

Enjoy the story..



You know, I have a story to share..



My girlfriend who hated this war, had her son join the Marines back about two years ago.. She was so upset about it.. Back in Nam, her brother was a POW twice and her and her family were not happy about their son's wanting to go and free those who lived in a very hostile country..



Well, just within 2 months of going to Iraq, a flash flood took his and many others lives.. A search went out for him, but for 7 days they could not find two of the men..



Then, the Marine command received word that one Marine was found and they sent out some guys from that unit to go and check it out..



Low and behold, it was one they had been trying to find.. I won't go into alot of the detail, but will say, an Iraqi found the Marine, dead along side a flash flood bank.. Because he knew what would happen to him, the Iraqi took his body and hid it until he could find one of our soldiers to come and get it.. Our Marines took a collection for this Iraqi and gave him 300.00 as a thank you.. He didn't want the money, but they made him take it..



He risked his life so that a son could be brought home.. And if the truth be known, there are more stories like this one that can not come out, or they would surely lose their heads..

They are treated with more respect from those Iraqi people then they are here..



Just makes me want to cry..

God Bless our troops and give them wisdom to fight this terrible war..

Answer 6

Dissent was the founding reason for our declaration of war with our Mother England many years ago. Maybe someone forgot that. History has judge those who stood on the battle fields to be patriots of freedom. How will it judge you?

Answer 7

When dissent increases the body count of US soldiers, it is unpatriotic EVEN IF it might be constitutionally permissible or protected. Dissent that emboldens terrorists and national enemies and makes them question our resolve increases the body count and is therefore unpatriotic. The founders contemplated a populace with logical minds employing common sense. The liberal problem is disconnecting the legal right to dissent with the logical consequences resulting from that dissent, even if slightly attenuated.



Note that in particular, we now face an enemy that is clever and devious, but irrationally motivated. If they perceive that they are willing to die for their cause and we are not willing to die for ours, they think they will win eventually because we will quit rather than die. Once they understand that we would rather die than quit, only then will they believe that they cannot win.



Dissent does not exist in a vacuum; the individual who wishes to be known as a patriot must weigh out the consequences of his/her actions in the real world and not merely the wishful thinking of peaceful coexistence with an enemy that refuses such. The terrorists have given us an ultimatum: sharia or death. Until they withdraw that ultimatum, any indication that we reject death is an indication (in their minds) that they eventually can impose sharia upon us if they fight long enough.



The war on terror IS a long war. Want to shorten it? Show the terrorists they cannot win. Want to lengthen it? Give them hope that they can win. Dissent of the liberal variety gives the terrorists hope, which lengthens the war, which increases the body count, which is unpatriotic. When and if peaceful coexistence becomes a viable alternative for the terrorists, then the calculus would change, but not until then.

Answer 8

its not possible to explain this in that they think it is a right of the people to destroy the country because that makes them patriots.



I quote this question



Q: "Does Jane Fonda deserve to be a citizen of the United States?"



A: "Since Thomas Jefferson said dissent is the highest form of patriotism, you can probably deduce what our founder would thought."



No I think if a US citizen was sitting on a British gallion cannon laughing and having a good old time when that person came back Jefferson would have shot said person him self.



Its funny how most can not look at all of history. how many citizens that refused to fight were shot for treason in this great country of dissent?

Answer 9

I would begin in the same place that I would go to explain the difference between Freedom of Speech and dissent to Conservatives.

Answer 10

Dissent is the highest form of patriotism

~Thomas Jefferson



A little rebellion now and then ... is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government.

~Thomas Jefferson



When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property.

~Thomas Jefferson



When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness--That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive to these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such Principles and and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. . . .

~~ Thomas Jefferson



I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.

~~ Thomas Jefferson



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Answer 11

So, to you, Patriotism is: "Agree with everything going on in the government" and dissent is: "Disagree with anything going on in the government". Dissent is wrong, and Patriotism is expected. How simple. Simple-minded too.

Answer 12

i think you are blurring the line between patriotism and nationalism.



"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President."

- President Theodore Roosevelt



"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter."

- Reverend Martin Luther King Jr.

Answer 13

the difference is us libs do not want to see our troops being massacered for no good reason not only is it dissent it is also patriotic to save our men and womens lifes ...it is not patriotic to have our tropps in the middle of a civil war

Answer 14

Please tell us how the two are not related. I would really like to know.



As far as I know, it was Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, and Samuel Adams that told us that dissent is patriotic.



A better question is this: When are conservatives going to realize that patriotism and nationalism are not the same thing?

Answer 15

Not exactly.



Where the hell do I begin to explain to reactive Conservatives the difference between Patriotism and NATIONALISM?



Too many men died to defend my right to dissent,like you care.

Some patriot you are (shakes head).

Answer 16

Have you ever met an Islamist? have they espoused their notions on you? I'm a christian and I have to say, your fears speak for themselves. you talk about funamental problems. you talk about finger pointing. but you don't talk about solutions! Here's a solution for you, follow your own advice and stop finger pointing.

Answer 17

so should we all run out change our voting card's and become just like you a neocon religious zealot no thanks i prefer to keep my freedom of speech my sense of originality and my opinions just as they are with out any interference from the likes of snotty muckety muck's like you

you can always look up word like this in the dictionary which is what i think you did and than you'd also find things like nerd geek and pom-pus and lastly know-it-all

Answer 18

The way the neocons blindly follow bush. And you're comparing liberals to the islamic extremists?

Answer 19

Patriotism is questioning authority which includes descent. Why would anyone want to follow blindly?

Answer 20

Apparently you are far smarter than Thomas Jefferson. You have heard of him, haven't you?



Anyway, he said that dissent is MANDATORY for patriotism.



But I guess you're smarter and know more.

Answer 21

You, my friend are a hypocrite.



I see that by the THC reference in your name and yet you claim to be a conservative.



Marijuana is very liberal, so you my friend are just a confused child repeating his daddy's rhetoric

Answer 22

My test is to ask what the soldiers think about what people over here are saying.



If it demoralizes the troops, maybe it's not helpful.

Answer 23

you have a great point....the answers I see so far just reenforce what you are saying......they attack like dogs on meat when someone says something off their brand of reality....wait and see what comes up after this one....luck to you...notice what Im talking about....somebody actually threw Jane Friggin Fonda in the mix as if she is a patroit and not a traitor....good lord

Answer 24

Thanks for the history lesson, friend. Since you are so sure of what Democracy is, and find fault with those who have a different opinion than yours, please feel free to give us YOUR defination of Democracy. Apparently it differs from the Founding Fathers, so please feel free to enlighten us.

Answer 25

I don't give my knowledge to people who are unwilling to listen or think they know better. So in this case, I would't begin to explain to Liberals because they wouldn't listen. It would be a waste of my time.

Answer 26

Benedict Arnold though he was a patriot. So does John Kerry. The only way to teach them is with a rope.

Answer 27

try posting something other than your opinion next time.

Answer 28

you are no better than a dog. you see only in black and white.