Question:
Can you point out how The US is being defeated in Iraq inlight of all the positive progress taking place?
2008-04-08 08:25:40 UTC
Al Qaeda is shrinking, Iraq is beginning to pay back money, The Economy is growing in Iraq, Political Progress is being made. The Iraqi Security is improving.
Eighteen answers:
2008-04-08 08:35:01 UTC
The doom and gloomers will disagree with you, but the cold hard facts are we are winning and more importantly we continue to make progress in turning more and more of the country over to the Iraqi government control. Now the militias want to talk and are afraid of losing political influence at the upcoming Provincial elections. That means reconciliation and that we had it right all along.
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2017-01-05 01:51:39 UTC
We heard that speech for the final 5 years. If progression became into being made final month then how come the troops will ought to stay yet another 3 months. did not even Bush say the form final month ability troops pop out of Iraq. Al Qaeda became into in no way in Iraq in the previous the invasion so how can 0 get smaller. provide up believing each and every of the lies and get with what's occurring its a no win concern. Bush ought to easily declare we gained and take the troops out. you should deliver your tax rebate to Iraq considering the fact which you help the war.
ideogenetic
2008-04-08 08:47:16 UTC
I have to research 2 and 3 in your list of progress areas, but 1, 4, 5 are completely false.



Edit: Scratch #3. Iraq's economy grew more under Saddam Hussein than after Bush invaded, wrecked and occupied the nation. (1)



Regarding Iraq's debt....

["Odious debt" is an international legal doctrine that refers to loans that were used, with the knowledge of the lenders, against the needs of a nation. Under the legal doctrine, these debts are deemed illegitimate and not requiring repayment.] (2)



So, making Iraq pay the debts caused by war and economic sanctions financed by crooked lenders in the era of Saddam Hussein seems incredibly callous. If you forgive those debts, Iraq could use the money in more constructive ways.



(2) " Saddam’s Debt: The Emerging Conflict Over How to Deal With Saddam’s Devastating Economic Legacy"

The Multinational Monitor

March 2004, Vol 25, No 3
peepers98
2008-04-08 08:48:25 UTC
If Sadam Hussain would have been as receptive to the oil conglomerates pursuit of Iraqi's oil as the Saudi's were we would never have invaded Iraq. We would have done in Iraq the same as we did in Saudi Arabia. We would have made Hussain & his ruling class very wealthy, made the oil industry wealthier than they are now & the screwing of the American people would have taken another track, perhaps higher prices at the pump. Oh, we have that now!! The average Americans reward for sacrificing their lives & tax money to this noble cause is higher gas prices & an enormous national debt. Not bushes debt, not rumsfields debt, not mccains debt, not even the oil companies debt, but the tax payers debt. We invaded Iraq because Hussain was hostile to America & we wanted their oil. bush & company have invested the taxpayers money into aquiring that oil & the taxpayer will benefit from it the least.
2008-04-08 08:34:27 UTC
The US is not being defeated. We're being battled to a standstill. Security improves, then it gets worse for a week or two, then it gets better again.

The Iraqi economy grows, then a marketplace is bombed, or an oil pipeline or an electrical grid, and shuts down, then it opens back up again a month later.

The Iraqi parliment debates bills, then adjourns, then reconvenes and debates some more.

It's a cycle of ups and downs...certainly not down to defeat, but not "up" to victory either.

And since no one in the Bush administration can concretely define "victory", the current situation in Iraq is the best we can hope for.

American blood and treasure for all this??? Is it worth it? I think not.
2008-04-08 08:38:56 UTC
There does appear to be some progress but, American soldiers continue to die a rate of about 1 or 2 a day. It is beyond time for the Iraqi govenment to step up and take responsiblity for it's own security.
2008-04-08 08:36:49 UTC
Iraq's economy is growing.Ok?How the heck does that help our economy where 47 millionpeople can't afford insurance.

Where gas is getting so high you might as well not goto work.

Where our streets are crumbling while we give Iraq close to 400 million a day.While we are haveing to set the bar extremly low for our education because we cant afford to set the bar up high anymore?

How about the 4000 dead troops?And their families?

Go ahead and give me thumbs down people you know all of what I just said is true.Our econmy is crumbling while Iraqs is starting to grow.Thats whats wrong with the war.And btw...Iraq starting to pay us back?Wth?Were giveing them 400 million a day.Weve spent 1 trillion dollars on them.Think there going to pay us back?
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2008-04-08 08:58:50 UTC
I'm not sure what your sources are, but giving you the benefit of the doubt that what you say is accurate, you're going to love the decades to come- there's going to be a lot more "positive progress". And when I say a lot, I mean *A LOT*. Did this positive progress you speak of inspire you to enlist, just out of curiosity?
justgoodfolk
2008-04-08 09:02:28 UTC
Five years after Washington inaugurated its “shock and awe” campaign, striking Baghdad with cruise missiles and precision-guided bombs, it has become abundantly clear that the war of aggression against Iraq has produced the greatest geo-political disaster in American history.



The war’s costs, in terms of both US imperialism’s global position and sheer dollar amounts, have eclipsed the immense damage wrought by the protracted intervention in Vietnam nearly four decades ago. It has already lasted longer than the American Civil War, World War I, World War II and the Korean War. Even in Vietnam, after five years of major troop deployments, the withdrawal of American forces had already begun.



A “war of choice” that was launched as a demonstration of the overwhelming and irresistible force of American militarism has turned into an operational debacle that has strained the US armed forces to the breaking point and eroded the strategic position of the United States in every corner of the world.



The reality is that five years after a US invasion that was expected by its organizers to swiftly replace the government of Saddam Hussein with a stable US client regime, 160,000 US troops remain deployed in the country and—as the extraordinary security measures surrounding Cheney, even in the fortified Green Zone, make clear—no area can be claimed to be fully secure.



What is happening is that the same media that promulgated the lies used to promote the war in 2002 and 2003 is now—more than five years later—largely promoting the official story that the so-called surge launched by the Bush administration over a year ago has pacified the country, leading to a marked improvement in conditions there.



The mounting of the US death toll to 4,000—900 having been killed since the “surge” began—does not fit into this good news story. Therefore, it has received far less coverage than when the death toll topped 1,000 in September 2004, 2,000 in October 2005 and 3,000 in December 2006.



In reality, this appalling new statistic does not begin to reveal the massive human cost of the Iraq war. It has been estimated that for every fatality in Iraq, 15 troops are wounded—an unprecedented ratio attributable to better protective gear and improved medical technology. Many tens if not hundreds of thousands more have suffered serious psychological damage from their participation in a brutal colonial war.



According to credible estimates, for every American soldier and Marine killed in Iraq, some 250 Iraqis have lost their lives over the five years since the US invaded and occupied the country.



The prominent British polling agency, ORB, produced an estimate of 1.2 million civilian deaths last September, a figure that closely tracked the findings of a public health survey conducted 18 months earlier by a team of scientists from Johns Hopkins University, which placed the most likely Iraqi death toll at 665,000 as of early 2006.



In addition to the dead, over 4 million Iraqis have been driven from their homes by violence—half of them forced into exile and the rest becoming refugees in their own country. Tens of thousands of Iraqis are imprisoned without charges in a US-run gulag, where many have faced torture and ill-treatment. Since the “surge,” the numbers of Iraqis arrested daily by US forces has doubled.
2008-04-08 08:35:38 UTC
Sorry bud.



10 US soldiers killed in the last week alone. It is as everyone predicted. As soon as the surge ended, the violence resumed. Which is why Petraeus wants to hold off on removing any more soldiers from Iraq. However, that will mean extending the 15 month tours of several divisions who probably want to come home and spend some time with their families. And gee, who can blame them?
2008-04-08 08:33:29 UTC
Dude, don't let the press release piss in your face and tell you "it's raining"



US troops yesterday had to re enter Baghdad to secure neighborhoods that supposedly had been safe havens and life was suppose to be back to "normal", just because there is a lull in fighting doesn't mean the fight is over. i bet you when they have the Muslim holy month of "Ramada" (sp?) the press will report that fighting has stopped and things are great (of course, it is a Muslim Holiday!). Don't beleive everything you read, use some common sense
Scott B
2008-04-08 09:00:26 UTC
By the looks of most of these responses it is more than evident that liberals just don't want to admit the fact the war is yeilding positive results. Pretty typical.
Diogene's Dog
2008-04-08 08:33:09 UTC
It is easy to see that you based your assertions on piece of email that was forwarded to you that was probably 3 or more years old. None of what you state has any evidence to support it. It is called viewing the wold through rose colored glasses.
racefish68122
2008-04-08 08:36:47 UTC
Uh, the Democrats have conquered the media?
gizmo
2008-04-08 08:31:34 UTC
I think you need to watch the news today
2008-04-08 08:30:56 UTC
And you believe in the Easter Bunny, the tooth fairy, and Santa as well.
2008-04-08 08:29:30 UTC
In answer to your points:

no, it's not

not it's not

no, it isn't

no, there isn't

and - no, it isn't



grow up - you belong to the wrong party.
gone
2008-04-08 08:29:30 UTC
Well that was the sound bite a month ago. But things have turned again. Please don't inhale the smoke they blow.


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