So why does Israel have a right to Palestinian land?

Question

So we were learning in class about the whole Israeli-Palestinian Conflict today. We were going through the details about the conflict. What we learned was that in the late 1800s, the Europeans tried to establish a Jewish homeland. I always thought it was after WWII but after researching a little, it was true.

Jewish settlers started entering the Palestinian land in the early 1900s and after the Holocaust, a whole population of them started to come in. Israel was established in 1948 by a British mandate. The Palestinians fought back, but with all the support of Europe, Israel won.

Since I had never really paid attention before, I never really had this question. But why does Israel have a right to the land? And I'm hearing that Israel gave back land to the Palestinians but there is still a conflict of them building settlements on the West Bank. Does Israel still have rights to the given back land?

Answer 1

First of all, it was a UN mandate, not a British one. Second, there was NO support for Israel from either Europe or the US in the early days. Israel fought its war of independence completely alone.



Jews who returned to the Holy Land in the days before Israeli independence BOUGHT the land from the Arabs who owned it. When the UN decided to partition the land into twin states, one Jewish and one Arab in 1948, it was acceptable tot he Jews, but the Arabs wanted all or nothing. The armies of five Arab nations invaded Israel on the very day of its independence and vowed to push the Jews into the sea.



If the Arabs were as peaceful as they would have us believe, an independent Palestinian state would have recently celebrated its 61st anniversary just as Israel did.

Answer 2

I think you're missing a lot of details.

There was no "Palestinian land". The name of the region was "The British mandate of Palestine", and all of its residents (Jews, Arabs, etc.) were called "Palestinians". The Arabs never saw themselves as "Palestinians" until 1967.

When the emigration of Jews to Israel began they bought the lands they settled on. Most of the lands belonged to rich Arabs and Turks living outside the region anyway (mostly because it was infested with swamps and diseases).

When Israel was established in 1948, it wasn't the "Palestinians" and they didn't "fight back". All surrounding Arab countries (Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon) invaded Israel, and urged the Arabs (what you call "Palestinians") to abandon their homes while they destroy Israel. Israel didn't get any "support" from Europe (or from anybody else for that matter) at the time.

Answer 3

The Jewish claim to the land is historical the oldest. The people that were displaced when they first took the land after the Exodus from Egypt no longer exist in in form. As for the Palestinian claim, the region was referred to as Palestine but there was NEVER a nation of Palestine. It was little more then a bunch of nomadic tribes until WW 1 that ran the middle east with influence from Turkey and Egypt. The nations that we know of in the middle east today were carved out by the Brits after WW 1.



Land trades hands over and over again....that is just the nature of the world....get over it.

Answer 4

Israel and the Jewish people believe, according to their religion that they are entitled to the land.



In my honest opinion the Tanakh is not tangible proof or evidence that gives them the right to claim the land. Since 600AD-1920AD that land was controlled, governed and predominately Muslim. That is over 1300 years of Muslim civilization, and it simply can't be wiped away like it never happened. The Jews never had an actual society there, they were mostly tribes scattered across the land while either Christian westerners or Muslims were controlling the area.



The conflict between Israel, Palestine, and other Arab countries is that fact of religion colliding. The Jew Zionist are just as extreme and radical as any extreme Muslim.

Answer 5

You don't know the entire story. After WWII, they told both groups could have half of the holy land. It was a compromise. Israel agreed to the compromise and did nothing against the other party. The Muslims on the other hand, declared war on Israel. Israel later took back all of the holy land after being attacked numerous times. Israel is not the enemy here. To prove my point, back in 1993(or a year close to that) Hussein was trying to build nukes. Israel stopped them. How do you think that would have gone over if a man like Saddam Hussein had nukes?

Answer 6

Started settling in 1800?

Well...I guess that's what you get in the Public education these days.



You may not be aware of it, but there is a book called the Bible. It was a top seller at one time. The Bible is divided into the Old Testament and New Testament. The Old Testament is before Christ who lived around....generally considered be about 2010 years ago. The Old Testament dealt with generations long before Christ.



You may not believe it, because it isn't covered in todays Public School...but the people the Old Testament wrote about were Jewish people in Israel.

Answer 7

Actually there was no such place as Palestine. Never has been. Before Israel was created, the land it sits on belonged to the Ottoman Empire; but you don't see the Turks bombing children in the markets over it, do you?

Answer 8

seem Israel/Palestine situation is the most suitable unsolved colonial rule contained in the international. both have the right to exist and both could sparkling up that colonial conflict like different former colonies. The Israeli colonist could realized that their existence is depending on the existence's of the section human beings of Palestine.

Answer 9

no one lived on that land. They only started calling it palestine as a reason to kill jews. What public school do You go to. The so called palestinians are from Jordan.

Answer 10

You need to do a lot more research on the subject as you have missed a lot of facts in the events of the region.

Answer 11

If you can keep it it's yours.

That's a fact of history

That's a fact TODAY.

The rest is bull----.



I don't give a good god-damn what anyone has to say about "God" giving it to this people or that people.

If you don't have the military force to keep what you've got someone will take it from you.

Right?

Wrong?

Neither, it's survival of the fittest.

Answer 12

Because "palestinians" never had a right to the Ottoman empire's spoils.



Whats a palestinian?

Answer 13

So they taught you to hate God's chosen people. Why am I not surprised? they certainly didn't tell you the whole story, just enough to keep the hate going. Your teacher failed you something terribly.

Answer 14

Possession?

Answer 15

the same reason we have a right to America over the Indians --- bigger guns

Answer 16

Israel has bigger bombs/tanks/airplanes etc.



THAT is WHY

Answer 17

they have the right because they have all the guns and nobody stops them.

Answer 18

They are Jewish and to deny them anything would be anti-semitic.

Answer 19

ISRAEL DOESN'T ,AND, NEVER DID-the West Bank and Gaza strips belong to the Arabs as did Israel at one time.The Jews stole Arab land through murder.Before being called Arabs, they were called many names. Arabs predate Islam.The Thamud were a people of ancient Arabia, either a tribe or a group of tribes, that created a large kingdom and flourished from 3000 BC to 200 BC.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Arabs



Problem is misinterpretation of God's promise(residency, NOT, ownership) and the British Mandate(political, NOT, land borders-read closely-Arab Palestine was to remain one country.Biblically(Ishmael 23 years before Isaac), scientifically(Arab J1 marker in the region for 40,000 years-millenia BEFORE the Jews) , and, by Jewish leader's admission, the Arabs were in the Arabian, NOT, Jewish Peninsula(Israel a part of)/ Canaan/ God's promised land FIRST, and have always been the MAJORITY.



Actually, it started in Biblical times when Isaac stole Ishmael's inheritance.In modern times it started in 1922(Arab armies-no Jews participated(outside of Arab Palestine, Jews fought with the Ottomans)-threw off the Ottoman Empire Occupiers(few Turks owned land in Arab Palestine)-the UN then assigned Britain as an occupier when the ILLEGAL Foreign European Jewish immigrants swelled Arab Palestine's(93% Arab) from less than 5% Middle Eastern Jews to 35%(mostly European Jews). These Jews became belligerent, demanding a chunk of Arab Palestine for a homeland from the British UN assigned occupiers. The British attempted to set up POLITICAL, NOT, land borders for Jews and Arabs-this is the British Mandate. The Jews were not satisfied and formed murderous Jewish terrorist groups, labeled as such by the British-Likud(oops, IRGUN before being elected), the Stern Gang, Lehi, Levi, Haganah, and many others and started slaughtering their Arab hosts and stealing THEIR land to ILLEGALLY form Israel(UN ratified a day AFTER the fact) in 1948. The Israelies continue stealing Arab land through murder up to the present.They must stop laying the blame on God and the British.



In the Bible/Torah-the Jebusites stole palestine from the Arabs and the Jews stole it from the Jebusites. The Arabs fighting with the Romans regained Palestine at which time Islam came into being.



I wonder how many do not know, the Arabs owned almost all of Canaan, including Arab Palestine. They were not called Arabs at the time, but Ishmalites/Canaanites/Arvi(Hebrew term for Arab).Yes and so very TRUE. God's promised land was only one of residency, NOT, ownership as was the British Mandate(political, NOT, land borders-read closely-Arab Palestine to remain ONE country). The Arabs were always FIRST and MAJORITY owners of the ARABIAN, NOT, JEWISH Peninsula(Israel a part of)/Canaan/God's promised land. Except for non Arab Iran, and,until 1948, Israel., ARAB owned it. Israel would have to kill ALL the Arabs and non Arab Iranians(Israel working on that one) and steal all their land to get it.NO WHERE in the Bible, nor, the British Mandate does it state Israel is to kill the Arabs and steal their land-NO WHERE-they need to quit laying the blame on God and the British.



According to Israel, they are not at war with the Palestinians, but with the Hamas, so what reason do they have to steal Palestinian land and kill Palestinians to do it-pure blood lust, nothing more.



She is brought to her knees for her indiscretions(this can ONLY be the Palestinian situation) Nation up on nation shall rise up against her-sound familiar-even the US, her only supporter is changing direcection. God intervenes and Israel is turned from her wicked ways. A NEW Jerusalem, possibly shared, instead of divided as is now, arises.This is in the Bible.



The truth is that Jews (not Israel) bought about 7% of the land before 1948. Most of the rest was owned by Palestinians as documented by the British Mandate.The remaining land was STOLEN from the Palestinians AS DOCUMENTED BY THE BRITISH:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Man...



The Arabs of Canaan are the Arabs of Palestine. They were there AT LEAST EQUALLY as long as the Jews/Israelis, but they had a constant presence and a defined land. The Jews were nomadic and had NO land until what was taken from the Palestinians in 1948. Both Jews and Arabs have the same father, Abraham, whom although Semitic, possibly Hebrew, was not considered Jewish. Abraham, his parents, and his ancestry is from Babylon, which is, in fact, INSIDE the Arabian Peninsula, the origin of the Arab peoples.So he may very well have been Arab.



Palestine is a name which has been widely used since Roman times to refer to the region that includes contemporary Israel and the Palestinian territories, parts of Jordan, and parts of Lebanon and Syria. In its narrow meaning, it refers to the area within the boundaries of the former British Mandate of Palestine (1920-1948) west of the Jordan River.



Palestine can also refer to the Proposed Palestinian State.



The name and the borders of Palestine have varied throughout history, though Palestine has certain natural boundaries that justify its historical individuality. Other terms that have been used to refer to all or part of this area include Arabistan, Canaan, Greater Israel, Greater Syria, the Holy Land, Iudaea Province, Israel, "Israel HaShlema", Kingdom of Israel, Kingdom of Jerusalem, Land of Israel, Levant, Retenu (Ancient Egyptian), Southern Syria, and Syria Palestina.



Early archeological textual reference to the territory of Palestine is found in the Merneptah Stele, dated c. 1200 BCE, containing a recount of Egyptian king Merneptah's victories in the land of Canaan, mentioning place-names such as Gezer, Ashkelon and Yanoam, along with Israel, which is mentioned using a hieroglyphic determinative that indicates a nomad people, rather than a state.



***The promise that is the basis of the term "promised land" is contained in Genesis 15:18-21 of the Hebrew Bible and God CLEARLY states whom the land belongs to:



"On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abraham and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates - the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites." Of all these people, only the Palestinians whom are considered Canaanites, are still around. Except for Iran and Israel, Arabs own all of what was Canaan.***



The verse is said to describe what are known as "Borders of the Land" (Gevulot Ha-aretz). In Jewish tradition these borders define the maximum extent of the land promised to the descendants of Abraham through his son Isaac(2nd born-the Jewish lineage and Ishmael the 1st born and the Arab lineage) and grandson Jacob.Even according to Hebrew customs, the oldest son, which is Ishmael, is entitled to the father's inheritance, but because Sarah despised Ishmael, she wanted Isaac to get the inheritance and had Abraham exhile Ishmael. Neither is Ishmael illegitimate but the legal son of his SECOND wife Hagar-Genesis 16: "And Sarah Abraham's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abraham had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abraham to be his WIFE(my emphasis).By Hebrew tradition, when one or the other spouse can not perform their duties, the remaining spouse can the partner's closest relative/ friend to legally fulfill those duties-in this case Hagar.



"On that day Yahweh made a covenant with Abraham, saying, "To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates. (Genesis15:18)"Ishamael was Abraham's FIRST born.The promise is made to Abraham and the descendants of his son Ishmael(According to Hebrew law, the first born gets ALL the inheritance), Isaac, and Isaac's son Jacob, Abraham's grandson as they are all given promise that their descendants will be given a territory from the river of Egypt to the Euphrates river.No where does it say the Israelis/Jews OWNED the land, nor were they to take it from, and, kill the Palestinians. The Israelis/Jews were given a land ONLY to reside in as many Jews already had among the Palestinians.



*According to Alexander Scholch, GERMAN JEW AND PROFESSIONAL HISTORIAN, the population of Palestine in 1850 had about 350,000 inhabitants, 30% of whom lived in 13 towns; roughly 85% were Muslims(Arabs), 11% were Christians and 4% Jews.Scholch, 1985, p. 503.



Palestinian Demographics Link up to 1948

http://www.mideastweb.org/palpop.htm



Even according to Hebrew law, Ishmael, not Isaac, was entitled to Abraham's inheritance

Answer 20

Oh, please Kid -- don't go there.