True or False: Not that many people in the USA died of covid-19 considering 250,000 Americans die in an average month ?

Question

Most of the COVID deaths also happened to people with underlying health issues who would have normally died of heart disease or pneumonia. 

Answer 1

Without politics the pandemic is bad but not the end of world. Now with the population of the world there have been a small amount of deaths. But the deaths in the families effected is very sad and much hurt has been felt. So it is bad enough one death is to many but we need to get by that and worry about making sure we do not lose people from other causes, which there are many.

Answer 2

What is with all the mental gymnastics in the States about coronavirus related deaths?

Answer 3

I believe the population of America is about 328 million so the folks who have died from C-19 is a drop in the ocean. More Americans are killed in a year due to homicides. 

Answer 4

The totals for the US suggest that no extra people are dying at all. This is from CDC figures:



2020: 2,838,0002019: 2,855,0002018: 2,839,0002017: 2,814,000



Looking at those figures all that has happened is that people who would have died anyway are being designated as COVID-19 deaths.



The numbers always were suspicious because the  age profile of people dying from COVID-19 is exactly the same as people who would die anyway.



So it is like suddenly "discovering" a blue-eyes disease. You log every death of people with blue eyes and conclude that "Trump has killed 900,000 people" this year but when you look at the totals just 2.8 million have died just like all the other years.



One problem the numbers highlight is that the lockdown is probably unjustified.

Answer 5

True ... 



But there is a caveat. I'm a clinical nurse specialist who has been working in a Covid-19 ICU ward for about the past six months. From a purely statistical point of view, you are correct. Only a tiny fraction of people infected with Covid-19 die from it, and yes, the majority of those who die are elderly and had underlying health conditions. Not exclusively, but generally speaking.



What we know is that about 80 to 90% of people infected by Covid-19 will either have no or minor symptoms and will recover within a few days. About 10 to 20% will require some hospital treatment, and a small fraction of those will require an ICU bed.



My job is to keep my patient alive. I don't care what age or underlying condition they have, I will do everything I can to give them the best chance of recovery. For a single ICU bed you will have about six nurses on rotating shifts to provide 24 hour care. In the ward you will have doctors and specialists also on rotating shifts. It requires a lot of people to staff an ICU bed, let alone a ward.



If the public, through their actions (or inactions) don't get the viral spread under control, that means more people presenting to hospitals, and more people in ICU wards. There is only a finite number of beds and staff. We don't kick people out of beds.



If we end up with a situation where Covid-19 patients are occupying most of the ICU beds and capacity is stretched then that has consequences ... if you have a car accident and need critical care we can't magically create new beds and staff to support them.



The point is the statistical numbers are being used to suggest Covid-19 isn't a problem. It is. If too many people contract it too quickly, the system doesn't have the capacity.



Every person in ICU as a result of Covid-19, regardless of their age or health condition, represents an ICU bed not available for you, your family, or your friends should you or they need it. That is what people need to remember before suggesting Covid-19 isn't serious.



Additional: Just to respond to GraphicConception ... the argument he makes is common, but completely wrong. One way of calculating excess mortality is to take the mortality figures from previous years, average them, then compare the current year to that. This has to be done on a month by month basis, and has to be performed for individual US states since reporting methods are different. Another way of doing it is to model for known variations ... a particularly bad flu season one year due to a specific strain can be accounted for in the baseline. The CDC does not agree with GC's conclusion. Studies in JAMA and the BMJ disagree. Studies in individual nations do not agree. The upshot is the numbers of deaths attributed to Covid-19 is not only real, is not only above the norm for previous years, but is probably an underestimation. The other point I would make, since I have seen this virus in action, is that in about 90% of cases, there is no doubt medically that Covid-19 was the reason these people died prematurely. That might not suit the narrative some want to believe, but we aren't just making stuff up on forms because we do actually have sufficient skill, diagnostic data, and a patient's prior history and medical charts to be able to make that determination on an individual basis.

Answer 6

True, it's all a hoax. 

Answer 7

@Dru Zod: Cain was diagnosed with late-stage colon cancer in 2006 and recovered from it. He died from coronavirus complications.

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My sister, a nurse, called me today and told me the story of a Covid-19 patient, a hitherto healthy 40-yo. male, who couldn't breathe, was put on a ventilator and woke up weeks later without hands and feet. He had to have those amputations because the virus had stopped the blood flow. That's how harmless coronavirus is.

Answer 8

Oh that's OK then! What is wrong with people?

Answer 9

since Covid 19 we haven’t had one death due to old age

Answer 10

False, American deaths are far higher than usual at this point, and many otherwise healthy people have died from this virus.

Answer 11

Well besides being troll like in your question filling it with evidence that you are either a troll or Trump supporter since neither believe in intelligence is there anything there that makes sense.



Short answer, not really, saying that people with pre-existing conditions would have died anyways is not only foolish but the height of ignorance.  While it is true that underlying conditions are those which eventually can cause death that may be years in the future.  In addition those that make the argument are one of several things, non-Christian, non-compassionate, and non-human to name but a few.

Answer 12

i think its true 

Answer 13

  What, are you stupid?  False

Answer 14

False. 



People who die of Covid die of Covid.  Sure, they may have heart disease which would kill them 15 years from now, but they caught Covid NOW and thus they died from Covid NOW.  Their lives were cut short by Covid.



...and they would not necessarily have died from pneumonia.



People with pre-existing conditions can live long lives.  But because their immune systems are weaker, they are ripe targets for Covid to attack and kill.



But these people would be alive today and living their lives today except that Covid killed them.

Answer 15

When you consider 350 million people live in the US, 220,000 people dead from the virus might be considered "not that many people". 

Answer 16

That's still a lot more covid-19 deaths than in other developed countries. And some young, healthy people have died from it as well. So I say false.



I have mixed feelings about shutdowns though. I don't think complete shutdowns are realistic, but it makes sense to limit large gatherings, social distance, and wear masks.

 

Answer 17

Well then that makes it okay right? People with underlying conditions wouldn't have necessarily died. Sounds to me like you don't actually understand how things work. And healthy people died from covid as well. Not to mention that many things those supposed 250,000 you mention would die from are things not contagious to the rest of us. Like that heart disease you mention.  People with underlying conditions doesn't mean they should be written off as an "oh well" by heartless trolls such as yourself.

Answer 18

I AM starting a new slogan.



ALM...... AMERICANS Lives Matter......



All this speech about they would have died of something else anyway  is a "sign" of the times.



Just like Americans looking abroad for workers, answers, and to live.





Thinking of Trump leaving the country. I wonder where he thinks he will be wanted🤔

Answer 19

Look at Herman Cain ... the left stream media lives to say he died of COVID he caught at a political rally 



What they leave out is he had stage 4 cancer

Answer 20

The people with underlying conditions would NOT have died of them without corona.

Answer 21

The US has the WORST fatality rate in the world.  

Answer 22

It's more complicated than that.  If COVID "hastened" a death, that still isn't great.  



Now, that said, it is also true that if one is of average health, their chances of dying are minuscule.   



We shouldn't be cavalier about the deaths, even if the majority were people  who "were going to die anyway", but we also shouldn't, as a nation, hide in our basements, waiting for a vaccine.

Answer 23

Climate Change FEAR. Covid FEAR. It's the same thing. We can do little about anything these Democrats want us to fear, and since they murder babies, why should they care about the general public fearing whatever they tell them to fear? All we have to do is STOP the Climate and find a cure for the virus for the first time ever. There are no cures for viruses. And if you want to know anything about an expert opinion on what to fear, just ask one of the experts in the photo. They always ask the kids, and they don't know anything except what they've been programmed to believe. "Save yourself."