How can anyone say this isnt an Obama flipflop?

Question

Obama 2006: 'Bring the troops home now'
Obama 2007: 'Bring the troops home in 16 months'
Obama 2008: 'Bring the troops home in 16 months but we'll also still have lingering forces in the middle east'

Hell as a McCain supporter and can admit his flipflops with no problem. Theyre both politicians and thats what they do!

So why does the Left have such a hard time admitting it???

Answer 1

I freely admit Obama is a flip flopper, one of the reasons I won't be voting for him. His FISA flip flop was the last straw for me.

Answer 2

I asked in reality an identical question on YA this morning and develop into as we communicate accused of insulting African human beings. Huh? notice that as quickly as asking a question approximately Obama, there isn't an answer to the question different than a slam on McCain or a "Obama will win so pass to hell" answer. interior an identical way Obama never takes duty for his strikes or institutions, his followers never answer a question approximately something he might have executed it is below above board. i'm a McCain supporter and can truthfully admit he has faults and has made undesirable judgements. Why would be unable to Obama followers admit he's definitely a toddler-kisser first and maximum spectacular? In a nutshell, McCain isn't above reproach while his supporters are asked. yet Obama curiously is by skill of his supporters. That to me is the main threatening mindset a voter can take. frightening.

Answer 3

So, let me get this straight. Each quote is from a different year, all the while the situation in Iraq has dramatically swung against and for our favor. You conveniently forget to mention that general public sentiment swung with it.



This is very one-dimensional thinking and it's dangerous. My point is this - flip-flopping is NOT adjusting the plan to fit the circumstances. As a matter of fact, that's how you're supposed to do it. Otherwise, inflexibility will cause huge amounts of damage (we see this in business all the time).



So, next time, consider the difference between flip-flopping and flexibility:



Flip-Flopping: Saying you have always been against THIS to one crowd and then saying you've always been for it to THAT crowd. Outright reversal with no rationale or logic behind it, clear and simple pandering for the moment.



Flexibility: Adjusting your objectives and tactics used to obtain static goals.



EDIT: To OLDMARINE08 - your list of 50 is a disgrace, many of the things listed Obama never said, they were things said about him. How embarrassing for you.

Answer 4

To an above poster, I believe this is a question regarding Obama, and the asker acknowledges McCain's flipflops. And of course McCain will have more - Obama had a few months experience before he started his campaign.

Answer 5

The truth?





Because he was always saying he'd pay attention to commanders on the ground.



Everyone got fooled by the tactic Obama used. He would yell, "Bring the troops home, Bring the troops home, Bring the troops home."



When it got pressed that he needed to be more specific, he would say he would do it in 16 months. And would repeat it and repeat it. Very loudly. Then in that very same speech, somewhat quietly, and usually in the middle of some angry back-and-forth between him and Clinton, he would say he would listen to the commanders on the ground.



Then he would go back to saying very loudly 16 months, 16 months. The Democrats and Republicans all fell for it.



And now that he is saying we may stay longer if the commanders say its necessary, he can honestly say he did say he would listen to the commanders. Because he did. And the media, hopefully doing their job, would go back and see that he did, in fact, say he would listen to commanders on the ground.



Then they would honestly be able to report he hasn't flip-flopped.





But while it was not a flip-flop, and it is what he did say; he did it very dishonestly. Very dishonestly. But if you can find the speeches and debates, you will find that he did in fact say he would listen to commanders on the ground and extend the time period if necessary.

Answer 6

It's hard on emotionally childlike people when they get so emotionally INVESTED in someone and something and then that things turns out to not be the way they thought it was.



At first they ignore, then deny, then defend, then accept.



Like the stages of grief. All part of becoming big boys and girls.



Notice the statements now? "Well ALL politicians do it too."

Answer 7

Flip flopping is going back and forth on an issue. There is nothing wrong with changing your mind on an issue and revising it when you get more facts.

But I still won't be voting for Obama.

Answer 8

He never said the first statement. It has always been his contention that we need to bring home the troops carefully and over a 16 month period, and the Iraqi govt agrees. You asked this earlier this week and I gave you the same answer. Can you hear me now?





I don't report people as a general rule. If something is offensive, perhaps.

Answer 9

Hell, I admit it. He should have stuck with bringing them home immediately. It is just funny that flip flopping is one of the main criticisms that Cons levy against Obama, when McCain is the worst flip flopper since John Kerry

Answer 10

Why did Obama say Iran was no threat to America and now he says they are?



Why did Obama just give a speech where he praised a bill passed by Congress drafted up by the Banking Committeee that he leads when he IS NOT even in the Banking Committe?



Why won't the left question him and see he is a LIAR and that he and his policy and lack there of is DANGEROUS for the future of America?

Answer 11

I'm for Obama and I'll admit he does. He needs to stop that before he loses.

Answer 12

It's called opinions based off of emotions, not logic. Seems to fit most Liberals.

Answer 13

Libs cant stand to look at themselves!

Answer 14

The truth is liberal kryptonite.

Answer 15

Flip Flip and Lies and taxes are his middle name:



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1.) Selma Got Me Born - LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have > you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.



2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a privileged, well > educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.



3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - LIAR, he was part of one of > the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.



4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - LIAR, your cousin > Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades.



5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - LIAR, she does her > daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. According to the New York Times: I am a strong believer of the Islamic faith, Ms Obama, 85, said in a recent interview in Kenya." Not to mention, Christianity would not allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.



6.) My Name is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and > Baraka (from which Barack came) means blessed in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.



7.) I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.



8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).



9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.



10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - > LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn’t even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons?



11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - LIAR, except for Africa > (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies. You seek to disarm America while our avowed enemy, Iran, > will not subject itself to a nuclear ban. Top Hamas political adviser Ahmed Yousef said the Hamas terrorist group "supports Obamas foreign policy

vision".



12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - LIAR, you were > quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.



13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony has > yet to find the article you mention in your book . It doesnt, and never did, exist.



14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - LIAR, Life > has yet to find the article you mention in > your book. It doesnt, and never did, exist.



15.) I Wont Run On A National Ticket In ~08 - LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.



16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois - LIAR, they are common > for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.



17.) Oops, I Misvoted - LIAR, only when caught by church groups and > Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.



18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.



19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.



20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - LIAR, you didn’t > write it, introduce it, change it, or create it.



21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - LIAR, it took just 14 days > from start to finish.



22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - LIAR, your bill was rejected by > your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.



23.) I Have Released My State Records - LIAR, as of March, 2008, > state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.



24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - LIAR, you were > part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.



25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - LIAR, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.



26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - LIAR, even your own > supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.



27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - LIAR, they were not > YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future > bid for higher office.



28.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA - LIAR, the Candian > Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.



29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution > vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel. You state you will open friendly communication with the Leader of Iran who is attempting to develop nuclear weapons to destroy us, > but refuse to speak to FOX news. You are

against provisions of the Patriot act which would all wiretapping of the phones of suspected terrorists in the USA.



30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet - LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, > a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.



31.) I Didnt Run Ads In Florida - LIAR, you allowed national ads to > run 8-12 times per day for two weeks - and you still lost.



32.) I Won Michigan - LIAR, no you didnt.



33.) I won Nevada - LIAR, no you did not.



34.) I Want All Votes To Count - LIAR, you said let the delegates > decide.



35.) I Want Americans To Decide - LIAR, you prefer caucuses that > limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.



36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didnt write yourself.



37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend - LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.



38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

39.) I Dont Take PAC Money - LIAR, you take loads of it.



40.) I dont Have Lobbysists - LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.



41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.



42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace - LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.



43.) I Inspire People With My Words - LIAR, you inspire people with other peoples words.



44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate - LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate - for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.



45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - LIAR, you weren’t in office to > vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date - AGAIN.



46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - LIAR, your plan > leaves us all to pay the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it.



47.) I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail - LIAR, > both companies you site as having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.



48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone - LIAR, you wont wear a flag pin > and you dont put your hand over your heart during the Anthem. There is a Cuban Flag with Che Guevara Display ed at Barack Obama Campaign Office which you allow to be displayed. You voted against making english the official language of the United States. You voted

to give illegal aliens social security benefits, which would bankrupt the social security system for Americans legally paying into it.



49.) My Wife Didn’t Mean What She Said About Pride In Country - LIAR, > your wife’s words follow lock-step in the vain of Rev. Wright and Louis Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America.



50.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn’t Support - LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quarter of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mar







If Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) Could Enact All Of His Campaign Proposals, Taxpayers Would Be Faced With Financing $874.35 Billion In New Spending Over One White House Term:



Updated February 14, 2008: Obama's National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank Will Cost $60 Billion Over Ten Years; Equal To $6 Billion A Year And $24 Billion Over Four Years. Obama: "I'm proposing a National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank that will invest $60 billion over ten years." (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks On Economic Policy, Janesville, WI, 2/13/08)



Obama's Health Care Plan Will Cost Up To $65 Billion A Year; Equal To $260 Billion Over Four Years. "[Obama] campaign officials estimated that the net cost of the plan to the federal government would be $50 billion to $65 billion a year, when fully phased in, and said the revenues from rolling back the tax cuts were enough to cover it." (Robin Toner and Patrick Healy, "Obama Calls For Wider And Less Costly Health Care Coverage," The New York Times, 5/30/07)



Obama's Energy

Answer 16

I don't know. It's probably motivated by the same thing that makes you guys refuse to acknowledge McCain's flip flops:



* McCain supported the drilling moratorium; now he's against it.

* McCain strongly opposes a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.

* McCain thought Bush's warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.

* McCain defended "privatizing" Social Security. Now he says he's against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)

* McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn't.

* McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.

* He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country."

* McCain said he would "not impose a litmus test on any nominee." He used to promise the opposite.



* McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration's warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.

* McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain supported moving "towards normalization of relations" with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.

* He argued the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party's policy making. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn't.

* He wanted political support from radical televangelists like John Hagee and Rod Parsley. Now he doesn't.



* McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn't.

* McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a "'read my lips' candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?" referring to George H.W. Bush's 1988 pledge. "No new taxes," McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, "I'm not making a 'read my lips' statement, in that I will not raise taxes."

* McCain is both for and against a "rogue state rollback" as a focus of his foreign policy vision.

* McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry's Democratic ticket in 2004.



* In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won't commit to supporting a regulation bill he's co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris' former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.

* McCain has changed his economic worldview on multiple occasions.

* McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions.

* McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.

* McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off than they were before Bush took office.

* McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.

* McCain believes his endorsement from radical televangelist John Hagee was both a good and bad idea.



* McCain's first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn't be "rewarded" for acting "irresponsibly." His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.

* McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal.

* In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.

* McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty's behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.

* McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants' kids who graduate from high school. Now he's against it.

* On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own legislation.



* In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving "feedback" on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.

* McCain said before the war in Iraq, "We will win this conflict. We will win it easily." Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was "probably going to be long and hard and tough."

* McCain said he was the "greatest critic" of Rumsfeld's failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as "a mission accomplished." In March 2004, he said, "I'm confident we're on the right course." In December 2005, he said, "Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course."



* McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.

* McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.

* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as "an agent of intolerance" in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans "deserved" the 9/11 attacks.

* McCain used to oppose Bush's tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

* On a related note, he said 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were "too tilted to the wealthy." By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and insisted he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.



* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending "dirty money" to help finance Bush's presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.

* McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.



* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he's pro-ethanol.

* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

 McCain decided in 2000 that he didn't want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he "would taint the image of the 'Straight Talk Express.'" Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.