Question:
Is the government doing enough to protect Canadians who are at risk of having their citizenship stripped?
Y! Canada News Editors
2007-02-27 10:54:08 UTC
From Canadian Press: "At least 110,000 'Lost Canadians,' who risk being stripped of their citizenship under an arcane law, are the children of soldiers and diplomats who served overseas, a parliamentary committee heard Monday."
Read more: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/070226/national/lost_citizens
46 answers:
Heaven
2007-02-27 11:12:48 UTC
Canada is the country of multicultralism, freedom and hope...that place that people come to, to be at peace, to find refuge and a new beginning...

Now those who built this country and made it was it is today may have their own children told they are no longer citizens because of a law that makes absolutely NO SENSE!

Come on Fed's, let's fix this...if a person is born here, no matter where their parents come from or were after, I think they should be entitled to keep and retain their CANADIAN STATUS.



That is and was the Canadian way.



Let's not alter that...
Chaos
2007-02-27 11:54:46 UTC
It all depends on the situation of the "person" of whom we are discussing. You can not make me to believe all 110,000 are in the exact same position. It could turn out that half of these people are NOT Canadians. So the government should look VERY closely at these people crying WOLF for citizenship. As for the minister using the "power" to give immediate Canadians to 33 people is an out right shame. I want all these cases brought to the public eye and have all information available so that the TRUE Canadian of this country can see why these other ppl were given a no wait access to citizenship. I'm a born English-Canadian, and I'm starting to believe Canada is not the place where "white people" feel like it's their home. Why would anyone from any faith come to Canada when their own country has that majority of their own faith? What makes Canada so good in their eyes? Is it that they could be silently building an army within our own borders to one day strike us, or our friend and ally neighbour, the US? Apparently terrorist have already landed on our soil before the public knew they were here. What if their attack was pulled off as a sucessful attack on either Canada or the USA? Would it change the way our government operates? Would they be more transparent, or more secreative such as the US towards their citizens? Canada is on rocky ground by accepting too many religious, one minded mimigrants. Don't ever forget that when people move in hugh crowds, their old way of life follows. Why else has Canada bent it's back for all the other religions after WWII once they moved into our country. I am sorry if you view this radical, but I believe every culture should be in THEIR OWN CULTURE AND NOT MIXED, or else their rules and laws will start to apply because they live here now and demand it. I believe if you want to confront evil or terrorism you have to STOP mixing the races. People are only equal as when they feel equal. ~Chaos "absolutely unpredictable"
anonymous
2007-02-27 12:15:44 UTC
Canada is a country that does every thing for immigrants but yet when it come to Canadians were treated second class. To add insult natives are treated turd (no this was not a spelling error, it was done purposely)classIf a Canadian or the police treated immigrants the way they treat Canadians or especially the natives there wold be hell to pay.I know the way I get treated by the police is disgusting,I'm part native. Also I went to Nathan Phillips Square and the Sikhs have an annual party on the grounds and some started to treat us bad when we told them not to do that the police came to us asked what's going on then told us "If you people e down and behave you will be asked to leave if you don't leave then you'll be arrested and jailed. The trudeau started this by saying ifCandian says any thing against an immigrant they'll be charged for inciting racist hatred.Immigrants are able to laugh at Canadians and make racist remarks knowing they'll get away with it. A lot of factories I worked in I was the only white person there.I wish I had a voice recorder because of the way I was treated
pow wow son
2007-02-27 13:00:53 UTC
It's a travesty, considering Canada's blatant past. However, when you look at the way Canada has treated some of it's own it's no wonder why.

Traditionally, FIRST NATIONS had veterans who offered to fight in both WWI and WWII. Prior to 1959, if they chose to fight for the country that they were "Officially" born and raised in (not immigrated into) they LOST treaty status...

No matter, their children would no longer have status as First Nations, and were now considered "Canadian Citizens"...



Canada is now only 140 years old... what about the First People's who were here at the onset> they have had no say in the immigration policy hereafter... and by the way, First Nation's people were arbitrarily 'forced' to allow treaties to happen.



In today's society, Stephen Harper's gov't has forgotten those who had attended residential schools as well. Maybe if this issue were dealt with on a personal basis like the guy who was "tortured" at the hands of another gov't, then more people would be willing to sue Canada for the policies it helps to create.



Sorry to say, we're losing out on "future tax payers" with Canadian citizenship... therefore they are another group lost in the Canadian beaurocracy.
Michel L
2007-02-27 11:49:55 UTC
The issue is not limited only to the elements of the question. Under the Canadian Citizenship Act (in effect between January 1, 1947 and February 14, 1977 inclusively), there were other circumstances where a Canadian citizen would loose his or her citizenship: by residence (until July 6 1967for a naturalized citizen), by children of Canadians born abroad who either would not have applied for retention of their citizenship or did not reside in canada on their 24th anniversary and other circumstances that were not published as they should have to ensure wide distribution of information to all canadians.

Furthermore, under the current Citizenship Act, a child who was born abroad from one canadian parent has until the age of 27, to formally file for rention of his or her citizenship. The problem is that people do not know about this clause in the Act. Hence, many children born abroad from a Canadian parent,in the late 1970s, have lost their citizenship and are currently unaware of it. They may find-out upon applying for a passport and will become not only very distressed about being stateless in Canada, but also about being unable to secure a travel document.

In addition, the Government, either through the Office of the Registrar of Citizenship or Passport Canada (and other agencies) has no method of control and has no accurate information about the number of people who may have lost their citizenship status.

I believe the debate must be widened to ensure citizens receive full information.
voyageur
2007-02-27 12:24:34 UTC
No, our government is not doing enough. People fought for this country believing that it was a fair and just society. Unfortunately, it was not then and it is not now. Ask many Jews where turned away from our shores in the 1930's and 1940's, or the `***ènese, especially those who were born in Canada before teh war and were deemed risks to our ''fair'' nation. White, blue-eyed and blond get a ''fair shake'' here but I do all others? (I am one of these w, b, b.) One might ask our indigenous poeple how fairly treated are they.



Revoking the citizenship of legitimate Canadians seems to smack of a group of people who have nothing better to do and who are a little too big for their new boots as a government.
squirrely
2007-02-27 11:22:00 UTC
No the government is not doing enough to protect Canadians who are at risk of having their citizenship stripped. My sister is one of the lost because she was born on a Canadian Forces base in Germany in 1958 of Canadian parents. She has a Canadian birth certificate which is listed as one of the I D's to apply for a passport still she was denied a passport because she did not have proper documentation. We blame the people who took too long to apply for their passports to go on a trip this winter but the ones who did apply properly and then were denied need to ask the question why did the government not get their ducks in a row for this transition. They knew it was coming too. Shame
Torontonian
2007-02-27 13:57:43 UTC
I can't blame the government or the Ministry of Immigration & Citizenship for not doing enough, maybe because they are not aware of old laws or forgotten that there were laws passed years ago regarding this citizenship issue. Yes, no doubt, people panic when knowingly that their citizenship may be at risk of being stripped. I would suggest that they keep calm and contact their members of Parliament to have this issue resolved ASAP and ask our government not to blame on any party in power but just work on it without political fanfare. I think this issue pop up when we are required to have passport when traveling by plane to the states. Let us all believe in our government that this issue will be resolved favourably in a very short time.
Taj Rahim
2007-02-27 13:41:28 UTC
No, the government is not doing enough. Any Canadian who is or was a Canadian citizen once, and the person has not given up his Canadian citizenship himself, must always be accepted as Canadian citizen, regardless where he lived or lives.A Canadian is a Canadian citizen. No Canadian government has the right to stripped his or her citizenship. If there is any such law, it must be changed. Laws of a country are to protect the rights of its citizens, not to stripped their rights. Canadian government is Democratic government, not an autocratic government.

Taj Rahim
anonymous
2007-02-27 12:29:30 UTC
Likely not. But the Canadian government should do ALL it can to keep these citizens. My bet is that they, the government, will say how "difficult" this process is whereas in reality it's as simple process. A few conversations over the phone, a formal meeting and a stroke of the pen is all it would take for them. If they really wanted to help, this wouldn't be an issue. Keep the pressure on them to keep these Canadians as Canadians. I wish people would realize how important it is to keep Canadians, there is only one country like it on Earth. All of my travels have shown me this. I hope they help those Canadians.
Franky
2007-02-27 13:37:03 UTC
It is indeed a sad, sad, sad story. Many people have come into Canada on false pretences and applied for Political Asylum and subsequently managed to be citizens and obtain benefits and privileges. Yet, those who lived here and born to Canadian parents when abroad are denied the rights of this country. Can't understand the logic of the Canadian Government and the immigration laws.
sinno.email
2007-02-27 13:28:35 UTC
This is unbelievable. Who in the world know all his country laws and regulations. I believe that the government is not doing what in her power to solve this problem. We are getting immigrants from all over the word and at the same time risking 110,000 to loos their citizenship. This matter must be solved ASAP and grants these people Sorry "CANADIAN Citizens" again their IDENTITY and Kill the unfair law that strips citizens from their rights to live in peace in this beautiful country "Canada" . O Canada Our Home and Native land.
paul a
2007-02-27 13:49:15 UTC
The Government of the day should correct this anolomly. Obviously those who were impacted were not aware of the issue that would face them had they not elected their right of Citizenship,



I am more concerned about dual Citizenships...if you apply to become a Canadian Citizen, why do you need to retain your citizenship of origin. Surely the argument is you chose to become a Canadian and there is no need for another.



Revocation of Citizenship of Origin should be manditory and those who have not renounced ought to be given a choice...either renounce or not take CPP & OAS regardless of paying in.
ceisetine_fisher
2007-02-27 12:24:51 UTC
I don't think the government is doing something to protect the rights of those Canadians who have lost their citizenship due to that law. my father is British and decided to become a Canadian because of how this country was accepting, compassionate, and fair. i feel bad for those people, specially the elders who depended on this country and gave everything then lose it because of some terrible law. i can't imagine what's gonna happen to me if i was in their shoes. if the government will just sit down, they will lose everyone's trust and i just hope that things doesn't become as bad as what's happening in some other countries........... i pray that the government will take an action with this problem soon.
anonymous
2007-02-27 11:38:38 UTC
I'm trying to understand why the government would come up with such an "Act" in the first place (i.e. no marriage). They must have known men would father children overseas.



With all the many immigrants we've allowed into this country, many refugees, to strip citizenship, or deny it to children of soldiers who fought for our country, just doesn't sit right.



We educate our children in schools "lest they forget" the sacrifices these soldiers made for us, we're known as humanitarians, and yet the government sends out messages like this.



It's shameful. I certainly hope that public pressure makes the government see the light on this issue.
wdaralyn@yahoo.ca
2007-02-27 13:20:28 UTC
No! these are good citizens.I have come to the conclusion that Canada would rather fight for the garbage in this country than to support it's own.Half of my Aunts and Uncles were born in the USA so what is the big deal that was the way of life then and all knew that!This government needs to question what kind of country do they want do they want good law abiding citizens or ones that want to change the law to suit them.These are good people some of whom fought in our wars what is wrong with this country get up and stand up for your own before you squashed by others they are part of out heritage which is disappearing fast!
felinefrk
2007-02-27 12:29:17 UTC
No they are not. My Father is not only rolling over in his grave I'm sure he trying to get out. His life( as well as ours being his children) was dedicated to keeping Canada and Canadians rights and liberties in tact. He was posted to areas he had absolutely no choice in weather we were going or not the alternative would have jail for desertion. I was born in Germany and now have to get a Canadian Citizen Card befor I can get my passport, after standing in line for 6 hrs I was sent to IMMIGRATION ???!!! If anyone has a contact person for this particular issue pls notify me or better yet post so the Gov can see the true number of Canadians that are being subjected to this DISCRIMINATION. Dose this mean I get all my taxes back I paid as a Canadian citizen !?
giselle
2007-02-27 12:01:47 UTC
"Canada that was accepting, compassionate, and fair"... whooah, where are they getting their history lessons from?

Are you excluding the Natives and the Japanese on that statement, to name a few. How about the UN police force that we created and still very much famous for (around the world) but we only contribute a small percentage of support? We still take a lot of credit for it's recent works (very funny). Canada the peaceful country... i like the sound of that.

That aside, i think this citizenship law should be changed. it was created in THOSE times when multiplication went unchecked and many were still in mourning. Canada the Accepting should remember how those soldiers lost their limbs, sanity, time and life to protect Canada the Unfair. Still, i'd like to know why this is an unresolved situation? What could prevent and hinder them changing it?
Katie B
2007-02-27 13:11:07 UTC
Definitely not. If they had done enough, this wouldn't have been a press issue in the first place, because their Canadian citizenship would have been solid. Shame on the Canadian government.
anonymous
2007-02-27 11:38:44 UTC
It is not true that being born here makes you true Canadian. First of all, many Canadians born here have no idea how many provinces Canada has and true Canadian should be bilingual, know its history.

Personally I oppose that the right is being taken away from people that already HAD Canadian citizenship but those haters of immigrants should stop talking crap because Canada is formed by immigrants. You are born here, but not your parents, or if they are not your grandparents...think about it!
John W
2007-02-27 11:12:38 UTC
The Canadian Government never seems capable of doing enough for it's people. The obscure laws of this country need a major revision and immediate update. Unfortunately, in order to review these laws and make the necessary changes we might all pass on of old age waiting for it to happen.
justaguy
2007-02-27 13:11:19 UTC
Hi, I may not be totally informed about the context of this subject, but I do feel that Canada is one of the best countries in the world and any shortfalls it has can be resolved.

I hear a lot of critisism of this country by people who are imigrants or descendants of imigrants and it always makes me wonder why they imigrated here if they want Canada to have the same rules as the countries they left.

I believe that Canada has its hands full with trying to maintain it's national identity under its current "melting pot" status and I think everyone who considers themselves "Canadian" should strive in a POSITIVE way to improve our country instead of just issuing complaints we need people whos heart and sould belongs to Canada, not who consider themselves of 2 countries...its time to start fostering patriotism in this country.

by the way I am an aboriginal person whos parents served in WW-II
Efe C
2007-02-27 11:36:36 UTC
Canada can't give up all that people because it is in dire need of labor. Except Ontario, Canadian provinces need the work force. It is the 2nd biggest country in the world (land wise) and has a grand total of 34 million?



They even can't afford to lose 1 citizen.
Clarence B
2007-02-27 12:02:27 UTC
This may not relate to the question, but has anyone realized on the scam going on to get people to send their photocopy of their passport or Canadian ID overseas...they come to you in the way of yahoo email informing you of so called winings? And all they want is you to do is fill out a relase form with you photo id or passport...hmmmm....I think this should be checked out...we need more protection for this...seems still to easy to get a phony passport or id....I have emails if you would like them...
RSP
2007-02-27 11:57:27 UTC
If they served our country, or were born to our citizens, then what the hell is wrong with granting them their right to citizenship. What a shame and a disgrace to our fellow defenders who risk their lives for a country only to find out that they have been double crossed. Stephen Harper and his Government need to get their act together.
dobie_44
2007-02-27 13:30:01 UTC
No.

children of soldiers and diplomats are the first ones who should be considered Canadians.

My Father was hit on Juno beach and he would be devastated if he had fought for nothing.



Linda
briseis09
2007-02-27 13:41:23 UTC
I think not. I believe that these Soldiers that fought for Canada and died for Canada should totally have the respect, dignity and privilege of being Canadian.



The Canada I was born in, raised in and educated in has always been proud to be Canadian. We are equal believers in fair and just treatment of all people who would love to be part of a Canada that provides a happy life for those who are willing to work hard for it.



Our Soldiers have served our Country with their lives whether it be within Canada or Overseas. They fought for a War Free Country and for Peacekeeping Missions. Our Soldiers today do the same. We are there to protect all individuals all around the World from all walks of life from cruel treatment from War conditions.



Not only that, but I don't think it is fair to say to a War Veteran that he is not Canadian nor is his family. They served in the Canadian Armed Forces and should be given that privilege to be Canadian. Other than that, it doesn't make any sense you should strip him or his family of being a Canadian. Or anyone of that matter.



There are a lot of Canadians who have worked all their lives in Canada and have given back to Canada for what Canada has done for them. Would it be fair to all of sudden strip them of their Citizenship after all they have done for Canada? It's the same for our War Veterans. They have done the ultimate sacrifice for this Country when they could have chosen to do something else for themselves. But, no, they choose to serve Canada because they loved Canada and would die for her. They loved her so much that they sacrificed their own personal lives and personal gains to give her their loyalty and lives.



It's not right. The Government should not be doing this to our Soldiers or their Families. Just because it was years and years ago, doesn't matter. That sacrifice they made will be for eternity. Under Lord God's eyes. And it should be treated the same way by The Government.



I mean how would it feel for someone in The Government to loose their Citizenship after all the hard and dedicated work they put in to run this Country? Just think about that, and you will know what our War Veterans are going through. Pain, anguish, betrayal, hurt, anger, and broken hearts. After all they have done for Our Country, Canada...how can Canada pay them back like that.



It makes me wonder, what would be next? Canadians losing their citizenship even if they are truly Canadian? Canadians who have immigrated to Canada in all the right ways, worked hard all their lives only to find out they can't be or aren't Canadians? That doesn't make any sense.



What is Canada coming to? I want to still believe that Canada is the same Canada I grew up loving and being proud of. I pray deep within my heart that Canada does not give up that belief in fair, just and equal treatment to ALL CANADIANS.



After all, we are all Canucks, aren't we? Eh!?



With Much Love,

Briseis09



Also, to add, to strip these Soldiers and Their Families of their Citizenship, is to strip Canada of her history. Our Soldiers make up our history. Without them, we are not Canada.
Red Ensign
2007-02-27 12:10:04 UTC
At least the Conservatives are doing something!



Where was the Liberal Govt of the last 13 years?



While perhaps obvious on the surface, any changes to citizenship laws need to be scrutinised.
izelatlan
2007-02-27 11:25:46 UTC
No really. The US constitutioon has the whole thing in the treason section that talks about "nothing shall work corruption by blood" and I think that is good.



These old lawes should be undone and undone quickly because they really are nasty and they really mean. They reflect badly on Canada and its usually sterling reputation in the rest of the world.



Have Fun,

Sends Steve
anonymous
2007-02-27 11:10:17 UTC
No they are not. It is shameful that so many people have been stripped of their heritage. I saw recently the chair of the organization who is lobbying the government for the change and this gentleman stated he is polish and a naturalized citizen and it is shameful that a person born of this country does not have the rights as he does.
blue demon k
2007-02-27 12:54:54 UTC
this is not right,these people are Canadian that's why we have Canada, no matter where their relatives came from,they are sons or daughters,some of them are old people now,some of them built this country you and I are enjoying this country,still, we will forever so give them a break do not stress them out,lets recognized their right to be a Canadians,they are Canadians,I am willing to give some of them my citizenship,cause I am enjoying what they built.so let them be Canadians(Canucks)
janeymac j
2007-02-27 12:27:21 UTC
I'm not Canadian, but I've always admired the Canadian ethos.

Canada seems to me to have a sense of international duty and connection and has been a consistently refreshing (and necessary) correction to U.S. jingoism.



.

This is disappointing. Rectify it as soon as possible.
Dosh
2007-02-27 11:46:39 UTC
No, This is horrific, it's actually sending chills down my spine, to think that I or my kids may not be Canadian! The feds absolutely has to fix this! This is such a dirty shame to the people!
Jan B
2007-02-27 11:30:35 UTC
Just give them what is rightfully theirs. Is the Government looking for another cash cow .So they can charge these people to become Citizens even though they were born here
Larraine .
2007-02-27 11:28:48 UTC
to even discussing this topic...is crazy.......Canadian is someone who is ...born here...raised here from birth....it is not the childs blame to arrived in canada at birth..so leave them alone in peace..have they done something not Canadian?....We give citizenships to people who have arrived from other countries ,been here a few years...now we are to take away the ones that earned the citizen ship...No...leave them alone..
ace3010
2007-02-27 11:22:11 UTC
Are they living in Canada? Are they being informed about this directly? Far more clarification is required before an opinion can be properly formed.
Ben V
2007-02-27 13:38:13 UTC
No, gov.never does enough for any of it's citizens who actually need help unless and until the issue becomes an embarrassment to them.
anonymous
2007-02-27 11:59:59 UTC
No! I think the law should be changed without hesitation and all those people that lost there citizenship, should have it reinstated.
Rick C
2007-02-27 11:23:56 UTC
No, they are not, this is not a matter of debate or partisanship. This needs to be fixed immediately, no excuses, no exceptions, no discussion. For once, just once, Parliament needs to speak with one voice. That this is happening in our country is almost impossible to believe.
cherylincanada
2007-02-27 13:10:29 UTC
No, they absolutely are not! Get it together, guys! These people shouldn't be "lost Canadians".
bornfree
2007-02-27 12:01:04 UTC
I believe that we should give our Government time to resolve this issue and not panic ,they will come up with a solution sooner or later!
lmusatro
2007-02-27 13:00:42 UTC
I suppose people in that situation should know what to expect. And how to take the necessary steps to get what they want.
anonymous
2007-02-27 11:47:19 UTC
I think that this government is thinking that we are all terrorists. They don't care if you're from another country or not. All they want is more money & more security on our borders.
Eve E
2007-02-27 12:02:05 UTC
the govt doesn't like to get their hands dirty and this is a "dirty" issue.................it will be opening a can of worms for sure.



i can't say if they're doing enough but I'm sure many feel that they're not.
rainbowscuba
2007-02-27 11:20:22 UTC
No they are not. It's horrible what they are trying to do. This is not what Canada is all about and what I love about it. It seems petty and small.
Penelope S
2007-02-27 15:26:48 UTC
A very difficult question. The law has been on the books for a while so I don't feel it is reasonable to expect the government to snap their fingers and make it all go away. And, as much as I despise Harper and his ilk, one cannot place the blame on his government- these laws predate him. I do think that eventually, they will do the right thing, especially when it comes to children of war veterans. This is not the first time that Canadian law has screwed veterans, however. My grandfather was involved with the Soldier Settlers Association of Canada in the struggle after WWI to see that western soldiers who were farmers got land to restart their lives and the word "struggle" does not adequately describe what some of these vets went through. (See reference 1 below.) At least in these citizenship cases it seems to be more a matter of this happening out of ignorance and outdated laws than being actively screwed by one's own government as were the aforementioned WWI vets.



The fact of the matter is that many countries have similar laws regarding citizenship, and these laws are fluid and changeable at any time. I am a dual citizen of the US (by naturalization) and Canada (by birth). The lawyer in my naturalization process in the US gave us many examples of similar laws all over the world where people were denied citizenship in their country of birth or even left stateless without them even knowing. All of these laws were enacted as a means of protecting a country from having to give citizenship to those they felt they need not offer that privilege to. Some even found they had citizenship they didn't know they had because of a parent's, or even a grandparent's, country of birth- when going to that country they were pressed into military service to fulfil their "obligation" as a citizen of that country. Now, whether those laws were pursued and passed maliciously or with the best of intentions, who knows? But they are definitely not new.



And let's not forget the furore last year over evacuating Canadian citizens out of the Middle East. Many people felt that some of these citizens were using Canada like "a flag of convenience." At the time most of the rhetoric revolved around non-white citizens, some of whom lived in Canada for a very short time and who appeared to have no real ties to Canada or any intention of every residing here again. Some of them were born in Canada yet it was very easy for people to scream blue murder over how these immigrant-citizens were "abusing" their rights as citizens. But just how specifically were they abusing those rights? How does a Muslim child born in Canada differ from a child born out of wedlock to a Canadian soldier in wartime in another country? Which of these two has a stronger case for citizenship? What "makes" one a citizen?



Is citizenship a passive thing that one just expects to have without any responsibilities or is it an active and engaging process whereby the citizen has responsibilities? I believe it is the latter. Citizens have responsibilities. The most basic of those is to take an active role in their government to the extent they can, even if all that means is showing up to vote. I cannot tell you how frustrating it was for me living in the US to see that so few of my educated colleagues (nurses and physicians) had never even voted in a single election, yet I who paid taxes, who was forced to contribute (by law) to Social Security and other services for which I, as a non-citizen, was not entitled to ever apply for, could not vote. (Talk about taxation without representation!) I did not seek US citizenship because I feel any special affinity for the US, nor did I feel less Canadian for having done so. I sought citizenship there so that I could participate and have a voice in the country in which I chose to live. I have an obligation to the US as a citizen. I am required to file tax returns every year for the rest of my life (even though I now reside in Canada), unless I chose to renounce my citizenship to a US government representative. I am required to use a US passport every time I enter and leave the US. I am eligible to vote in US elections and I intend to do so in every single one for which I am eligible. However, it is up to me to know which elections I can vote in and to obtain the proper ballots in order to do so. I will fufil what obligations I have as a US citizen but I know that as such it is my responsibility to keep myself informed as to exactly what those responsibilities are.



Anyone whose children were born in a country other than the one/ones of their parent's citizenship should have at least a clue that there may be citizenship issues that should be investigated. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse. Please understand that I am not saying that those affected should have known exactly what was happening, as some of the regulations seem very arbitrary, and at the time laws were passed may have not been widely reported. Nevertheless, these individuals (or perhaps more correctly, their parents, who were generally adults at the time of the changes in citizenship laws) should have had an idea that there could be problems. Having said that, I find it very bizarre that the Canadian Armed Forces does not inform soldiers and their families serving in other countries of the issues surrounding citizenship when a child is born to a Canadians living in another country. (For current info on citizenship and these issues, see Citizenship and Immigration Canada's website- http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizen/index.html.)



As part of my "naturalization" as a US citizen, I was asked by my lawyer whether I would surrender my Canadian passport to a US Immigration official if asked to do so. When I hesitated, he reminded me that since I was born in Canada, I could replace my Canadian passport at any time. Officially, the US does not recognize dual citizenship, and this is so with many countries. As part of my US citizenship oath, I had to "renounce and abjure absolutely and entirely all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which the applicant was before a subject or citizen." Very scary sounding language, no? But what does it really mean? Under current US law (and I stress "current"- remember these laws change all the time), it means nothing. "The US does not require a new citizen to take any formal steps to renounce his old citizenship before officials of the "old country"; and when the other country continues to claim a naturalized US citizen as one of its own, current US policy recognizes that such a person may have to use a passport from the other country in order to visit there, and such an action does not put the person's US citizenship in jeopardy." (See reference 2 below.) In some countries, if you write a letter to the government agency responsible for citizenship, or even go in person to that agency, and renounce your citizenship they do not have to recognize your renunciatory statement- some countries simply have no provision in law for someone to renounce their citizenship. When you have "dual" citizenship status, the countries involved may have very different ideas of what that means, and you need to be aware of this.



And just to add to the issue, how about this story from CBC's website today? (See reference 3 below.) A Canadian aboriginal, Kevin Brass, feels he should be able to use his certificate of Indian status card to make border crossings into the US because the 1795 Jay Treaty of the US gave aboriginal peoples dual citizenship. Dual citizenship and the use of a status card are really two separate issues. The Canadian government can, and, it appears is, pursuing use of a status card that would meet US government approval for use in border crossings between the US and Canada. But the US doesn't recognize "dual" citizenship, so if you claim to be an American citizen you better apply for your US passport now and prepare to do your US tax return every year, Mr. Brass.



Let's hope that the Canadian government does the right thing for those affected as well as taking a good, long look at the laws affecting Canadian citizenship. In the meantime, I hope that we will engage in a vigorous debate over what it really means to be a citizen.


This content was originally posted on Y! Answers, a Q&A website that shut down in 2021.
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