Question:
Do you think we will ever get universal healthcare in the USA or is money worth more than humans lives?
anonymous
2018-04-03 19:10:44 UTC
We should all have access to good quality healthcare I think, it should be a human right. but I guess if you don't got no money you don't deserve to live apparently.
74 answers:
anonymous
2018-04-06 00:02:56 UTC
Before you can shove universal healthcare down our throats, try changing the Constitution. NOTHING in that document gives the federal government any authority to interfere or meddle in health care. You can't name a single federal government program that was successful, constitutional, ran within its budget, and didn't become a bloated, growing out of control bureaucratic monstrosity. Do you really want to turn control of your health care over to an entity with that track record? I sure as heck DON'T!



Beside that, why should I have to pay for healthcare for drunks, smokers, junkies, fat slobs, baby factories and illegals? Can I dictate their lifestyle and activities to mitigate my costs? If not, why not?
lonewolf
2018-04-05 21:53:09 UTC
Don't worry Jesus is coming soon to fix the mess that humans have made !!!
ron h
2018-04-04 22:41:42 UTC
Money rules. Sick people don't give money to congress.
anonymous
2018-04-04 12:37:37 UTC
I wish we could, but I fear the average American is too selfish.
anonymous
2018-04-04 08:21:23 UTC
"Socialism for the rich; capitalism for the poor"...............Noam Chomsky: "Consider this: Every time there is a crisis, the taxpayer is called on to bail out the banks and the major financial institutions. If you had a real capitalist economy in place, that would not be happening. Capitalists who made risky investments and failed would be wiped out. But the rich and powerful do not want a capitalist system. They want to be able to run the nanny state so when they are in trouble the taxpayer will bail them out."
?
2018-04-04 05:06:22 UTC
Socialist healthcare is always low quality healthcare. I prefer my high quality healthcare.
Mr. Smartypants
2018-04-03 19:27:35 UTC
The way I see it, universal healthcare is inevitable eventually. The healthcare problem is not going away,, it's getting worse and worse. As more and more people can't afford health care, or are dissatisfied with the care they CAN afford, we move closer and closer to Single Payer. Because that's just objectively the best way to handle the problem, to cover everyone at the most affordable cost.



The Supreme Court upheld Obamacare TWICE. And Republicans voted literally dozens of times to simply do away with it, back when they knew it was impossible to do that, but now that it IS possible they're not so quick to repeal it. I think this is all because they know people desperately want some kind of healthcare reform, and if Obamacare fails the next new idea could be Single Payer.



And yes, money IS more important than human lives. Our govt. sees health care as a profit center, not a service that everyone needs. This is why no politician of either party DARES propose any solution that could hurt the profits of the insurance companies. Profit is the top priority, and everyone understands that they can make bigger profits insuring -some- people than -all- people. EVERY OTHER COUNTRY sees the top priority of health care as being to help people, and consequently they all get care about as good as we do for about half the money.
Onlooker
2018-04-03 19:25:57 UTC
I think there will be a liberal response to Trump and things will change rapidly. Don't forget the history of the United States is the history of liberalism. We have always defeated the old to let in the new -- from the American Revolution, to the Civil War, to immigrant rights at the turn of the last century, to workers rights in the 1930s, to Social Security, to civil rights, to women's rights, to gay rights, etc. Universal healthcare will happen in the next 20 years.
anonymous
2018-04-03 19:20:32 UTC
You have universal defensecare.



Nothing is more important than corporations like Raytheon, L3, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and General Dynamics having almost unlimited access to Congressional Appropriations to fund their highly padded zero-risk cost-plus-fee defense contracts and their Congressional lobbyists who makes sure the government puts those welfare queens and drug addict losers in their place... plus a little extra to hide offshore in the Grand Caymans or Switzerland.
Raymond
2018-04-03 19:11:41 UTC
In the USA, money is worth more than everything, including human life.
graphicconception
2018-04-06 17:04:22 UTC
Money is worth more than human lives according to the super rich.



That is why they still need more money and want to reduce the population. Just ask George Soros ...
anonymous
2018-04-06 02:20:49 UTC
There is also some question about the quality of universal health care. What is good for society may not be good for you the individual.
BlackAdder
2018-04-05 20:27:47 UTC
It is a human right. And if you're ever denied, I'll be standing right there with you. It is NOT your right, however, to make ME pay for it. Just like it is your RIGHT to go out for a nice steak dinner. But it is NOT your right to stick me with the tab. Health care is no different.



And, no. There are limits to the value of a human life. If the health care system has to provide you with a million dollars in health care just to keep you alive? Perhaps you need to make peace with your maker and move on to a better place.
?
2018-04-05 17:07:58 UTC
I wish we could but the money is worth more than humans lives
anonymous
2018-04-05 16:35:25 UTC
I love the comments (and the large number of thumbs up that follow) that state that either universal healthcare is somehow worse and that the healthcare in the US is somehow superior. Too bad the facts do not back up that assertion since studies show that countries with universal healthcare on average have a happier and healthier population than those with a user pay system similar to the US. One study found that the healthcare system in the US ranks last among the top 11 industrialized nations based on 72 criteria including quality of care, availability of services, life expectancy, and health care outcomes. Several other studies found a similar situation.



Also, despite claims, the US does not have the best of the best in many areas with a number of countries pioneering numerous medical procedures superior to those in the US. The idea that if it makes a profit it must be the best is great when buying a consumable good (but often not true) but it rarely equates to the best in health care except for the rich. For example, an epi pen costs as much as 9x more in the US as it does in other countries for the identical medication, it is cheaper for an individual to fly to Canada from the southern US to purchase certain medications than it is to purchase them in the US and that is after paying to see a doctor there.



In the US everything has to be profit oriented or it is perceived as a form of "socialism". The only thing this attitude proves is that the US, despite the claims of the current administration and it's supporters, is not even close to a "Christian Nation".
anonymous
2018-04-05 09:18:31 UTC
The AMA, big Pharma, and insurance companies won't let it happen.
Lalo
2018-04-05 03:36:19 UTC
Just ask steven Crowder, he's a youtube right wing shill
Ronnie
2018-04-05 03:12:01 UTC
NOT as long as everyone has a right to work and pay!
terry v
2018-04-04 22:59:15 UTC
As much as I would like to see it happen I probably won't see it in my lifetime.
?
2018-04-04 22:19:35 UTC
We will never get universal healthcare that is of any quality in the USA
anonymous
2018-04-04 22:07:04 UTC
In USA healthcare is a privilege you work for like a house or car
?
2018-04-04 20:55:50 UTC
I don’t know
slugger
2018-04-04 19:30:01 UTC
one can only hope,,money means more then people in a money system
Gilgamesh King of Love
2018-04-04 18:28:08 UTC
in the USA

money is worth more obviously
Dale
2018-04-04 12:56:55 UTC
Are you suggesting that giving free healthcare automatically makes productive citizens? How did free housing work?
anonymous
2018-04-04 04:44:04 UTC
Only if we have an Aha Moment like we did on Marriage Equality whereby Public Opinion and Court Rulings shift Rapidly and Massively in favour of extending Medicare to Everyone.
Chuckles
2018-04-04 04:35:04 UTC
Everyone gets universal health care in the USA provided they survive to age 65. Below 65 they are considered cash cows by the medical care/insurance industry.
BB
2018-04-03 19:39:05 UTC
I'll consider Single Payer AFTER all of the Millions of Illegal, Alien Invaders ....and that includes the Dreamers...are tossed out of the U.S.
anonymous
2018-04-03 19:15:36 UTC
Socialist healthcare is always low quality healthcare. I prefer my high quality healthcare.
sats
2018-04-03 19:11:22 UTC
Its not a constitutional right.
London Man
2018-04-06 16:42:38 UTC
The ARMY gets universal healthcare------------run it like the Army but for everybody. Problem solved
anonymous
2018-04-05 18:43:57 UTC
Having the government control healthcare is dangerous. Just like net neutrality will cause prices to go up and speeds to go down on the internet, universal healthcare decreases quality and drives up prices.



Look at history. Government takeovers are always worse than letting the free market make the decisions.



The problems with today's healthcare is due to government involvement. Why do people insist government take over things when they were the ones who messed it up?
anonymous
2018-04-05 15:03:37 UTC
Universal healthcare is a good idea but the taxes to make it happen would bankrupt the middle class. A lot of other spending would have to be cut which nobody will have the spine to do.
anonymous
2018-04-05 14:20:39 UTC
Yes, money is worth more than human lives. Always has been, always will. It is not the fault of the rich that too many people in this country shove too much food in their faceholes.
anonymous
2018-04-05 00:46:43 UTC
Good
sparrow
2018-04-04 22:43:30 UTC
That's faulty logic. You could deserve a million dollars, but there's still the practical matter

of how to actually get it.
?
2018-04-04 20:21:00 UTC
In Massachusetts if you don't have healthcare you qualify for the state's health insurance coverage and it works great
anonymous
2018-04-04 20:01:44 UTC
Yes, I think we will eventually will.



Presidents have been trying to do this for over a century now, and we are finally making genuine progress. One of the significant consequences of the debate and argument over the ACA is that the majority of Americans, having become aware of the way other countries handle the matter, now believe that health care is a government responsibility. That change in public opinion is going to have important results.



In fact, Barack Obama, in the last days of his presidency, commented that someday, when we do have a national health-care program, the ACA would be recognized as the first step. He was right.
thebigm57
2018-04-04 19:40:30 UTC
Unfortunatly, history had born out that $$$ or resources are always more valued than human lives and that's why humanity is ultimately doomed. I for one say this--WORSHIP one another as DEVINE and respect, live in peace, devote $$$ to enhancing the lot of HUMANITY as opposed to seeking ways to KILL THE MOST PEOPLE. Unfortunately governments and the vast majority of people do not live as I say and we are DOOMED as a result of that also. Peace & prosperity to you.
Blue Skies.
2018-04-04 18:58:50 UTC
It really has all to do about money. Services cost money. Nothing is free.
anonymous
2018-04-04 16:41:15 UTC
Maybe not, but we have unlimited money for wars.
anonymous
2018-04-04 12:17:17 UTC
Get a job, snowFLAKE, and start paying taxes.
anonymous
2018-04-04 08:14:37 UTC
We might get universal healthcare in the U.S.
luis l
2018-04-04 07:43:14 UTC
Wow usa is not a safe for sick people?

The top help became inhuman If you paid you get help?

Outside of usa we can help you to get well?
Smokies Hiker
2018-04-04 04:05:32 UTC
Healthcare isn't a human right. Everyone in this country gets 12 years of free schooling furnished by the taxpayers. After that, they must decide to go to work or further their education in college or a trade school. No one forces you to do anything...it depends on what YOU want out of life! If you want a better healthcare plan, you need to find an employer that furnishes that as a part of your employment, or find a job that pays you enough money to allow you to go out and purchase your own healthcare plan. You'll find that there are actually very few "RIGHTS" that are given you. Most rights are either earned via an employer or purchased by the person who desires to have these "rights." People who receive "free" healthcare from their government, don't receive the best of care! Instead, the care they receive is the minimal care required to keep them "comfortable", not heal them and make them better. You won't get a private or semi-private room at the hospital. Instead, you'll be in a room with 6 to 8 other people with similar afflictions and one nurse to look after all of them. Just ask anyone who gets "free" government healthcare if they get a doctor who confers with them about their illness and gets them the help they need. My friend went through exactly what I described above because he had little insurance at all. It pained me to see him lay there and suffer the indignities he did and suffer a terrible last month of his life, just getting "enough care" to make him comfortable(?)! Like everything else in life, you get exactly what you pay for!
Andy F
2018-04-04 03:42:16 UTC
I favor universal healthcare, and I think it's possible we'll get it in the US -- but only if a hell of a lot of Americans fight for it and work for it, and don't give up until it happens.



I think you're asking a "loaded" question, though, and I think it's possible that you're posing a false dichotomy here. Or at least, a debatable, controversial dichotomy.



You're implying that 1. either we get universal health care or 2. money is worth more than human lives.



This implies that everyone who opposes universal health care actually places the value of money above the value of human lives. That they're basically schmucks. And I don't think everyone who opposes UHC is doing so simply out of greed, or out of indifference to human life.



I think some opponents of universal health care believe it won't preserve human life any more than the capitalistic, money-driven system of health care that we already have.



I think the opponents are wrong, but if I were one of them, I'd think that you have mischaracterized my reasons for believing what I believe. Maybe you can win converts to UHC this way, but I wonder if you'll just annoy and anger the skeptics.



-- democratic socialist / Only the truth is revolutionary
anonymous
2018-04-03 23:26:12 UTC
Not as long as the Republican party exists. They don't care about people.
Land-shark
2018-04-03 19:24:06 UTC
Probably not or you won't be able to have an expensive military or maintain your infrastructure at first world level. The National Health Service in the UK, funded by compulsory National Insurance with means-tested opt-outs, is already as big as the economy of a small-sized European Country! Doctors can earn more than the Prime Minister, Dentists walked away from the NHS several years ago and only grudgingly serve it.
Mimi
2018-04-03 19:14:52 UTC
People should improve the quality of their life if they want quality healthcare.
anonymous
2018-04-03 19:13:52 UTC
It's worth more than your life, you parasite.
?
2018-04-06 03:53:13 UTC
A free car paid for buy rich people should be a "human right," too, right? Tax them and give the money to yourself to buy stuff for yourself.



Get rid of social security; it's insolvent and leading the nation to ruin. Besides, the liberals are aborting all of the people who the program was expecting to have pay into it.



If we didn't have a large military, we would have been invaded by Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, and most of the Middle East long ago. The history of man is one nation invading another, over and over, all over the world. Every race is guilty of invasions, stealing lands, etc. including the Mexicans who settled on former Apache, Navajo, Pueblo, Comanche, and others' lands. It's funny how white liberals ignore the evils of every other race but their own. Try studying the various black migrations in Africa and see that white are no more evil, and that any nation without a strong military will be invaded by its neighbors if it is advantageous to them. Look what Japan did. Look at Mongolia. Look at the Aztecs, the Incans, the Mayans.



Healthcare is not a right. Will you be killing babies and forcing others to pay for it through taxes while you claim a right to healthcare? Why does the right to life only begin at birth? You're just a bundle of cells, too. Why can't we kill you for out convenience?



I wonder why those school shooters don't care about human life. "Bang! Bang! Die *****', die! Whoop, whoop!"
anonymous
2018-04-06 00:55:17 UTC
No! Healthcare in United States is for the benefit of doctors and pharmaceutical companies and their profits . very little to do with the health of people..
?
2018-04-05 23:11:14 UTC
no on eknows
Andrew
2018-04-05 22:46:53 UTC
Never !!. It's all about selfgratification and profits in this country. In america 💰💵 is worth more than human lives why do think doctors walk out on you after 5 minutes in there office
Luther
2018-04-05 22:41:15 UTC
u have money u can afford u don't then its your bad luck 'die'. birth again in millioner family ha!
Dr Yes level 9 since 1999
2018-04-05 20:45:27 UTC
Of course money is more valuable than human lives. Not to me though. But people are killed for money everyday. People die for lack of healthcare and money. They never kill for it.
joensfca
2018-04-05 17:15:10 UTC
Yes, our for profit system is not sustainable. There are few things in the system to control costs.



Did you know that in America—this alleged bastion of the free-market—the government spends more per capita on health care than all but three countries in the world? In 2010, U.S. public entities spent $3,967 per person on health care. That’s far more than Germany, Canada, France, Britain, and all of the other countries conservatives normally think of as socialist dystopias. The other countries cover everyone also.



This point is so compelling that it has become a standard talking point on the left. “Not only would a single-payer system provide health care to everyone,” they say, “but it would also reduce the deficit.” And they’re right.



https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/03/28/yes-health-care-is-a-right-an-individual-right/#2ed19bfb4d66
anonymous
2018-04-05 09:05:01 UTC
People with "universal healthcare" come to America for healthcare because so many DIE WAITING FOR THE BEUROCRACY ! And BTW it kills its citizens,remember little Charlie Gard ? Gov't run healthcare KILLED HIM.
Matthiu
2018-04-05 05:01:25 UTC
The problem is that health Care is really very vastly too expensive.. you have to learn how our healthcare system works.. we pay insurance premiums and then hospitals charge whatever they want for services and then the insurance company pays them whatever they want. If we mandate and guarantee universal healthcare the way things work now, prices will skyrocket way beyond where they even are now.. healthcare is already beyond affordable and if we mandate universal healthcare it will literally destroy the entire country.. we have to limit costs but we really can't because we're a free market capitalism.. or possibly a keynseyanism crony capitalism.. we aren't a communist socialism.. and we really don't want to become that. That's a whole other discussion... Put it this way, communist countries are responsible for more deaths than every war combined by killing their own citizens... This problem is very complex and there's no simple let's just give everyone free healthcare.. eat healthy..
Stanley
2018-04-04 23:21:13 UTC
No. And it's because it will drive up our taxes for everyone rich, poor, or in the middle.
M.
2018-04-04 22:47:21 UTC
Sorry to inform you about the power of money.
Jackboot
2018-04-04 22:00:59 UTC
The person(s) who provide(s) you that healthcare must get paid what their labor is actually worth, or they'll not provide the service, and you can't make them!



That's why universal healthcare in other countries ultimately leads to shortages of service, and excessive waits. Some people die from waiting too long.
anonymous
2018-04-04 03:52:11 UTC
Nothing is free, we will still have to pay for it.



But what you're saying essentially means you think that lazier people have the right to a doctors labor, on the backs of the money from harder working people... which is slavery and theft, and also devalues the incentive for people to work hard and earn their own money to pay for their own medical bills
Edwena
2018-04-04 00:25:48 UTC
You did not ask the question correctly. You should have said "quality universal healthcare" and the answer is no. If you are happy with horrible healthcare, then universal is what you should have. Note that in all socialist systems, there is a superior private healthcare system for elites. Or do you really think the Queen goes to a hospital ward with 15 other patients and pees in a common commode.
JJ
2018-04-03 21:11:01 UTC
How much will cost once it is "free" .
anonymous
2018-04-03 20:01:11 UTC
It's more about insurance companies than anything else. They make billions of dollars every year and pay out very little in comparison. They have the right to deny care when it gets too expensive, in their opinion. They can dictate which patients doctors should accept so as not to cost them too much money. In other words we have insurance companies running our health care with unqualified people.
anonymous
2018-04-03 19:31:49 UTC
According to 'pro-life' voters, there is ABSOLUTELY no right to life, even though America is the only advanced democracy that hasn't codified that there's a right to life.



'Pro-life' hypocrites will SCREAM that their right to do absolutely nothing while over 100,000 Americans used to die, annually (estimate from CNN, long ago, before Obamacare), of treatable conditions, TRUMPS anyone's right to live.
?
2018-04-03 19:26:40 UTC
No, because America is very heterogeneous, non-Whites use health care at a much higher rate than Whites and East Asians due to their high birthrates and health problems, and considering America's over-regulation of health care combined with the multiculturalism it would bankrupt the country.



Also you can't declare health care as a right, that would require doctors being forced to treat you. The only and quite frankly best way to get good quality and affordable health care is through the free market. The reason the current health care system is so expensive is because of over-regulation and Medicare, cut both of those things and you'll get cheaper health care through competition.
Lucas White
2018-04-03 19:21:18 UTC
If anyone in the US goes to the ER, the doctor has to treat them regardless of their ability to pay.
Bob
2018-04-03 19:20:56 UTC
Well what you THINK should be a human RIGHT is NOT a HUMAN right.
?
2018-04-04 23:30:23 UTC
I agree with having universal healthcare

But I totally disagree with the idea that it is a right, anything paid for by others is a privilege
Zardoz
2018-04-04 19:42:59 UTC
You seem to be unwilling to spend your own money on your own healthcare.
anonymous
2018-04-04 16:34:50 UTC
We've always had universal healthcare. We just don't want the government involved in the payment of it because they're blooming idiots and spendthrifts.
Emily
2018-04-04 11:39:08 UTC
USA will never be a universal healthcare system because the top 1% will never want to pay for 99% because they are have earned it and do not believe in handouts. You would say that the top 1% looted the other but they did it legally and you cannot do anything just increase taxes which won't happen. In the end you can forget about healthcare over all. It's a booming business.


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