Question:
Would it be wrong to call all corrupt people as traitor or anti-National?
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
Would it be wrong to call all corrupt people as traitor or anti-National?
24 answers:
Bala Venkat
2010-08-12 05:58:47 UTC
MS says in his usual unconcealed hypocrisy that he can not brook corruption in public life even if it was ''you and me''...



But you know what he said just two months ago:



Question under Politics and Govt (Asker: Bull 2 months ago)



“Even after such hue&cry over Spectrum2 scandal,why Centre particularly PM "mum" & not taking any action onRaja?”



Best Answer by MS believe in...



... If A Raja belonged to Congress, he would have gone long back. To understand you have understand few things.



1. Every political party in India is for power, not for charity. Their first priority is power, not nation.



2. Today, no party gets clear mandate thus they are supported by the crutch of the regional parties.



Now, TN CM Karunannidhi is supporting central government and UPA government cannot afford to disappoint him, that is why they are really carrying the burden of A Raja until now...



https://answersrip.com/question/index?qid=20100530191159AAyq2Gg&show=7#profile-info-k9ee1XYBaa

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So he justified the historic Spectrum 2G mega corruption saying that the PM had no way to sustain his party in power by antagonising the evil partner Dmk.



Is this not height of irresponsibility, to justify a mega drain of revenue of the nation for just perpetuate the rule of a party at the Centre.



I do not want to comment on other points that are equally hollow and steeped in double standards!



how many masks do these people wear just to side track major issues from people's attention, trying to blame people or officials or trade folk !!!!



tail piece:



I know this answer would receive either a shower of TDs or even face deletion, from experience!



But I have decided to leave the forum forthwith, being suffocated by the falsity and conflict abounding here and bid good bye to you all friends!



IF any one of you still have the patiene and energy to outwit the persistent false propaganda of vested interests, it is your business to do your best. Truth would win ultimately but the evils would howl for long, even in the face of sure defeats!
Brahmanda
2010-08-10 18:52:22 UTC
No. They are harming the nation by their action and depriving the people of the rights guaranteed under the constitution
R K g
2010-08-11 03:47:31 UTC
About 30 yrs back I secured admission for my Male Child in a desired reputed public school in Delhi by unofficial donation. He has carved an outstanding career for himself after qualifying as an engineer from Delhi College Of Engineering while a large no of his class mates who were admitted on merit are not any where as creative. Was that Donation an act of Bribery?



A lot of talents are wasted because of poor availability of opportunities or means.



For any business or industry where I have first hand experience, no Bribes means mindless harassment for even a fairly clean entrepreneur. You are a tax evaders till the time you meet department's monetary demands. Is this Bribery anti national or just a public relation exercise ?

Discretionary power has a perceptible price .....call it bribery or greed-compulsion in an unequal society !!



But bungling at CWG or IPL or in Rural Employment Guarantee schemes or in flood /famine relief funds or in PD System / in import of essential food items....thereby taking money out to tax heavens abroad & later manipulating / winning elections with that money is definitely anti-national.



I am of the opinion that unless we have a system that does not rely too much on suspicion or scrutiny but identifies sincerety to work & provides Rewards ( with benefits , not just by offering ceremonial medals ) & meaningfully promote Merit , Enterprise & performance in Governance, in education, different technologies & industry OR , EVEN , in POLITICS at all levels, we would continue to encourage malice, complaints , victimisation & consequent wrong corrupt Means to jump the Queue. Do not just play CHOR - SIPAHI instead recognise & channelise good & sincere work ,too .
geyamala
2010-08-11 00:13:18 UTC
all corrupt people are not anti nationals

all antinationals and traitors need not be corrupt people.

BUT PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO SAFEGUARD THE COUNTRY RESORT TO CORRUPTION, THEY CAN BE BRANDED AS BOTH CORRUPT AND TRAITORS
Anuj
2010-08-10 20:29:13 UTC
May be Yes..!

Because when people starts corruption on Grace-root level,indirectly effect all people's Money (via Tex) including them-self..!

but i categorize them as offence, and may be include as culprit....traitor or anti-National are quite hard words..it should use when person involve in national security issues..!
2010-08-13 06:23:24 UTC
nooo..it wont be wrong at all... v can call those bastards by any of the names we like...

if possible we should even punish those ***____s........
Sumitra Sharma
2010-08-11 02:10:55 UTC
There is nothing wrong in calling them traitor
?
2010-08-10 18:26:00 UTC
Isnt it easy to blame people for corruption, neglecting the situation and our perception that actually the reason for corruption to be prevalent. ?



It seems like a growing culture of blaming others for corruption and feeling relieved as if found answer to all the problems of india.
2010-08-10 10:25:07 UTC
YES. I agree with you. Corrupt people , specially the Politicians , who have taken our vote and now looting the wealth of the country, should be treated as anti nationals.
Aparna M @ divya
2010-08-10 16:52:02 UTC
where from the wrong comes ? surely those who do corruption will be considered as traitor and anti-nationals. no doubt about it.
Vijay D
2010-08-10 20:54:36 UTC
That will make us all eligible to be called a terrorist or an anti- national. Corruption is taught to us right from our birth by none other than our own mother. The bias is always towards the more loving baby in matters of sharing chocolates, milk etc. So we know and understand by the time we are 3 years old, how helpful and profitable it is to be more corrupt.



What we need to do is put the proper systems in place, so that corruption doesn't become an easy tool to use at the hands of the people. First thing is to prevent the fire at lower levels, because that can engulf the whole system. Then we can put out an occasional fire at the top, because it can be visible easily.
~RusticaℓℓY єℓegAnt!
2010-08-14 07:55:02 UTC
No it wouldn't be wrong.You can call them so in a way.Their presence in there isn't doing any good to the country too.Surely,they all fought for the chair so there sole purpose was to achieve power.Also it depends on a particular situation.Like considering the ongoing allegations on Suresh Kalmadi for not performing his duties well and not taking any measures is a matter of irresponsibility and disloyalty.



Some months ago the Chairman of IPL Lalit Modi was accused of influencing the charm of the game by bringing money and other forms of Moolah in IPL.It was filled with controversies and sucked like hell.Eventually,everything came out.Here it was the case of having a hardcore money-minded mentality.



Take the case of our didi,Mamta Banerjee,who started sweating when it came to investing in anti-collision signals after the UttarBangh and Vanachal Express Accident.Again,she was being irresponsible and was trying to escape from what she had promised earlier.



So,I would say that corruption has become so deep rooted in a country like India.People do that for their own reasons,for their benefits.The reasons are different but the aim is same :Corruption, which anyway obstructs major dynamic changes in the economy too.Scandals and events like this sure bring bad name for a country too.A person may have a genuine reason to enter into politics and bring the change but sometimes it happens that once entering into it and achieving the power,they start misusing it and forget their intentions.Everyone just wants money.Leaders are sure born and with their leadership qualities they come up,but we don't just leaders,we want performers.



I know here I said solely in the context of Politicians because that's open corruption which we all see right under our noses and still don't do anything.However,corruption at any level is bad.It's just that the ones on a smaller scale aren't brought to our notice..otherwise they are happening too..



~Smile :)
Brian G
2010-08-10 10:24:44 UTC
No, it would not be wrong and we need to hear more of it.



These thieves and liars in the government have all sworn to protect the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.



Therefore, they are traitors when they do things that they know full well are unconstitutional, such as exempting themselves from the burdensome laws they pass.



They are also traitors when they tolerate such behavior from their dear buddies on either side of the aisle.



And we all know that the penalty for treason is.....(drum roll) retirement at full pay plus liberal cost of living increases.



PS: As for being innocent until proven guilty, check your lovely Patriot Act and the equally lovely RICO statutes. If you are a member of a "corrupt organization" you are considered guilty of conspiracy until you prove otherwise. Now what are the two most corrupt organizations in the USA?



Do I have to tell you? One starts with "D" and the other starts with "R"....
subhojit.dhar
2010-08-10 11:56:09 UTC
Most Congress men are corrupt. But if you called them ant national or traitor, you are a rabid communal Hindu.
MS - Believe in Ek Oankaar
2010-08-10 16:04:21 UTC
Corruption is damaging the roots of our nation, thus its not wrong to call any corrupt politician, government official or individual like me and you as a traitor.



Edit: Apologies, I disagree with classifying corruption at lower level and higher level, and giving them different treatments. Corruption is corruption may it be at any level, and any corrupt person is damaging the roots of our country, I would not defend any corrupt person. In every high level corruption cases, lower level staff is also involved or at least aware.



All the corruption cases needs to looked at from the same eyes and needs to be treated with the same medication to fix this biggest problem of India. We cannot leave one sector saying that this is small fish and lets handle big fishes. Hold on, tomorrow these small fishes will be become big fishes and swallow us only.



I don't believe in 100 me se 99 Beimaan phir bhee meraa Bharat mahaan. I want to see 100 me 0 beimaan. And I don't know if that day will come in my life time, but I am optimistic person, I don't want to have negative views about anything including corruption.



Jai Hind -> And I mean it.



Edit again:



Vijay D: Please understand the different between rewards and bribe. The chocolates given by mother to his child is a reward for doing good work not a bribe. One cannot compare that with the bribe taken by lower level clerk to top level officials and politicians.
?
2010-08-11 03:24:24 UTC
Call them whatever you want. They simply will not mend their ways.



However, corruption has become part & parcel of common people's life. Go to any government office. Your work moves on only if you ready to shell out a note of 100 Rs.
?
2010-08-10 10:25:48 UTC
After convection of a crime of corruption or traitor! Presumption of guilt is not first but the presumption of innocence.
blaylock
2016-10-25 03:32:56 UTC
that is what's happening in India.UPA led Congress authorities. and its allies and doing each thing anti nationwide.what's the reason of one of those enormous volume of Terrorist attacks which take position in interior India.I mean seem what's happening in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (POK).Terror infrastructure is unbroken.The terrorists continuously infiltrate from those aspects to reason Mumbai like terrorist attacks.Why no action to get rid of this structure.Its extremely effortless for Indian protection rigidity to crush those terror infrastucture.What' the elect to communicate to Pakistan?Why are they so reluctant to take action of their own homestead?i wish you acquire the solutions what they are upto.Time has come for each and each of the Indians to commence an "Egypt" form revolution aganst this currupt authorities.
Mohan
2010-08-11 04:02:02 UTC
No corruption is the part of the indian society
?
2010-08-11 00:52:27 UTC
A person selling fake meds to unsuspecting sick ones, is a traitor. He who sells drugs to innocent kids and spoils them is a traitor. Those who sell diabolical ideas in the name of liberty among youth are both traitors and sick.



He who leaks critical info impacting the security of the country to an alien, for a price, is anti naitonal. He spreads counterfeit notes in circulation, to hurt the naitonal economy, is anti national. He who creates communal disharmony is anti national.



So the criminal activities may call for different descriptions depending on the gravity of seriousness and the impact it has on a limited or a bigger national level. All are evils, not just corruption that means receiving / giving illegitimate pay off for goods and services to ineligible ones, or eligible ones out of turn etc. Even inciting religious, regional, linguistic fanaticism are anti national only, as you know.



Corruption at lower levels, in the burial grounds, in the PDS shops, in the postings and transfers in offices, in the licencing and permit issues, etc are of one kind. They may be triggered by personal greed (rather than poverty that afflicts unemployed and under employed ones), pressure from power centres, willing offer by crafty public etc. They are just criminal offence.



But the mega scams by wealthy leaders in power are fit to be called anti national, not just for the drain of public money but seeding indiscipline in the cadres below and in society - the source and sustenance for lesser corruption / crimes at lower levels.



Only high sense of honesty among top leaders would usher in discipline in the cadres below and among the people. Both benefactors and beneficiaries would not dare to engage in evil practices under a good leadership.



EDIT:

Just giving abnormal TDs would not shift the great sins of politicians to the other spheres. The source of abnormal TDs are well known to any discerning member in the forum! Poor ones!!
Sharp Shooter
2010-08-10 17:31:32 UTC
hmmm yes,everyone is corrupt.
MeoW
2010-08-10 21:49:43 UTC
no!!!

they are not mad to be against few things...there is a reason behind every bad thing, we are nobody to talk without knowing it!
Veers த‌மி‌ழ்
2010-08-11 00:42:38 UTC
Definitely NO!

How else they can be called?
?
2010-08-11 01:57:24 UTC
no it would not be wrong


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