Question:
Are you for or against yearly teacher evaluations? Why or why not?
suthrnlyts™
2012-09-10 15:22:41 UTC
That appears to be the main sticking point when it comes to the Chicago teachers' strike:

Emanuel said in a press conference Monday afternoon that the evaluation is the main obstacle to agreement. The new system would eventually use students' standardized test scores as 40 percent of a teacher's yearly evaluation. Teachers who don't improve their students' test scores would be fired.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/b-cs-chicago-teacher-strike-evaluation-system-looms-201903517.html

If you had a child in school, would you want that child's teachers to be evaluated -or- should they just slide by because they've been tenured?
21 answers:
Dreaded Rear Admiral
2012-09-10 15:27:47 UTC
I have mixed feelings because of what no one wants to admit ... sometimes, the raw material just isn't all that good.



I'm not even chiefly speaking of the child. I'm speaking of the environment in which the child develops. Many families place NO importance on education.



You can threaten a teacher with pay deductions or termination, but how are they supposed to fight against the child who has been raised to believe education just ... doesn't ... matter.



Oh, and by the way. While trying to teach the handful of kids from families who don't give a crap, teach these other 30, some of whom want to learn, but just need some extra time.



Yes, there are truly poor teachers. But evaluations must go beyond whether or not Timmy learns how to add. We may find out that Timmy's crack-whore mother and boyfriend-du-jour, just don't give a rip.



If I had a child in school, they would * know * the importance of education. Then we could decide whether or not the teacher sucked.
BekindtoAnimals22
2012-09-10 19:37:09 UTC
I wasn't a teacher but I was evaluated twice a year. Of course, I worked 12 months too. Teachers should experience some kind of evaluation every grading period for the benefit of the kids. Still I don't think you can blame the teacher in every case. Some kids just aren't into school. With a good teacher, usually only 2 or 3 students in a classroom of 25 would be unable to pass a test.



I just heard only 15% of 4th graders in Chicago are proficient in reading!
2012-09-10 17:34:10 UTC
Yes, as long as their classes are taught by the entire rotation of teachers, no bench-warmers.

Classes are a manageable size, and misfits can be ejected, without repercussions.

Army's get defeated by the orders given to them by those in command, not the soldiers in the trenches. Make sure the ones who never teach a class, also get evaluated.

Those students who for whatever reason have a "chip" on their shoulders, and have no intention of learning must be separated or equally distributed, else it all falls apart, for the unfortunate recipient.

I've been in the Union before and am well aware of the useless butt-kissers that dominate it.

If you prove yourself to be proficient at almost anything, you'll be given the crappiest jobs, and expected to produce equal product.

You struggle while others coast.

Why, because they're top-heavy with idiots hiding there who can't do anything, but the easy stuff.

Perpetual raises? no evaluations? can't be fired? (sign everybody up)

In a typical Union

25% good people

50% only there for the wage & benefits unattainable (for their skill set), anywhere else

25% waste of skin
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Señor Gato
2012-09-10 15:28:03 UTC
It seems to me that if a teacher knows what they are going to be evaluated on, then they will merely teach to the test. It puts the emphasis on what is in the best interests of the teacher instead of the student. I agree that teachers should be evaluated but I disagree that it should be so metrics driven. There is also the question of who is ultimately responsible for the teachers improvement. If they are given the chance to improve, but they don't get the support that they need, then who is held accountable?
Don't Fear The Reaper
2012-09-10 17:37:17 UTC
"in our socialistic schools of to-day, both elementary, advanced, and technical, our young people make no progress at all, not from any lack of time, or means of instruction, but merely because no one feels that he is absolutely bound to acquire certain things as stepping stones to future success in life." *



We have removed the incentives for our children to advance. No amount of teacher performance reviews, newer schools nor increase in staff and salaries will address the root of the education problem. I would highly agree teacher reviews are essential. Holding the teacher responsible for the quality of material and effectiveness of instruction. However----



The entire matter is moot. Unless we change the culture and now structural problems within education. More of the same we are doing will have increasingly negative effect upon our kids. As soon as schools became liberalized K thru 12 ? Our education system has become an endemic problem.
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2012-09-10 21:09:53 UTC
Yes a yearly evaluation only makes sense. This way we can get rid of bad teachers and reward the good ones. But in order to do this we have to first break the teachers unions.
Jarrod Bennett
2012-09-10 15:26:04 UTC
Absolutely. Tenures are being grievously misused nowadays. Teachers can no longer get fired for doing a shitty job.



School systems should work competitively like any other business, where the good teachers are rewarded with jobs, and the bad teachers are no longer influencing kids.
Thunderous Barbarian
2012-09-12 11:15:07 UTC
They seem to be working out just fine up here in Wisconsin... where evaluations now determine teacher wage and length of employment and tenure has gone the way of the soviet-style communist. During their fascistic attempt to recall Walker WE THE PEOPLE had our voices heard and we SHOUTED loudly against this type of crap-politics being played by the progressives at our children's expense.



It is EXACTLY what we stopped from happening.



Wisconsin went from bankruptcy to in-the-black in ONE-HALF an election cycle. We even honor the full-ride-benefits packages of those who snuck it in under Doyle. Perhaps we should push for absolute vouchers that allow PARENTS not progressives to decide where we want our kids to go EVEN IF that option happens to be private or parochial.



EDIT: That would instantly have them fanatically screaming "separation of Church and State" while ignoring that worship of the state in any form (even by money inflow to any single "Chuch-type" institution there-representing the state's unquestionable authority) is really what the 1st Amendment is there to prevent.



How utterly anti-choice they tend get when you threaten to draw funds away from their secular State Church called "Nationalist Education".



Each time they overreach, we will go far and away to make these National Socialists rue the day they fought the WILL OF THE PEOPLE. Their mad attempt to make the state our Supreme Deity will not in any form be tolerated.
WinonaGal
2012-09-11 04:51:49 UTC
All teachers should be evaluated and I wonder why they would even think they should be exempt from this? We all are given evaluations as part of our jobs in other areas, why not them?

Seems like we have a failing educational system.
calmer than you
2012-09-10 15:29:31 UTC
Sure. I'm for it. I think the teachers should be able to input as to how evaluation standards are calculated. I would think that good hard working teachers would want to get rid of the lazy uncaring teachers as much as anyone else.
Drixnot
2012-09-10 15:29:04 UTC
I favor the testing ... but they should be tempered by historic data as well.



We should not expect spectacular results in areas that have a tradition of low test scores. There IS a genetic factor to consider (and no, I am not just referring to race)



Perhaps they should include parental education levels into the formulas.
ingsoc1
2012-09-10 15:25:10 UTC
But what you don't realize that, that it is impossible to always be improving scores, It forces teaches to teach to tests, those evaluations also do not take in account learning disabilities of students etc
creamy goodness
2012-09-10 15:26:33 UTC
A school with bad teachers creates bad Americans.
R J
2012-09-10 20:59:34 UTC
sadly they need them as many cannot read and write no joke i live in Mississippi some have been caught having the head honcho doing better grades and many have cheated it's so sad. I suggest throwing that money into a voucher system which will pay for no less than two extra kids and they learn how to read and write.



https://answersrip.com/question/index?qid=20120910204751AAuNs1U
2012-09-10 15:23:56 UTC
It seems kids aren't even learning basic English skills. I'm having a hard time understanding half the questions on here.
2012-09-10 15:23:53 UTC
Yes, we need to make sure our teachers are fit for the job.
2012-09-10 15:24:37 UTC
teachers don't pick their students, and aren't getting more authority over their class as part of the deal.
?
2012-09-10 15:26:33 UTC
You know...You would think evaluations would have always been done.
2012-09-10 15:24:13 UTC
Pssss...everyone here knows your main account is Paul Grass, you mentally ill freakazoid.
Taking on the Crazy Tea Baggers!
2012-09-10 15:24:06 UTC
I am for Why?


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