Question:
Is this absolute proof that Obama's birth certificate is a fraud?
2008-11-13 20:47:44 UTC
The following analysis was conducted using various Hawaiian COLBS issued over a multi-year time frame ranging from 2001 through 2008 but this report will focus only on the results from the March 2007 through June 2008 certificates for accurately comparing against the KOS image purportedly printed by the Health Department of Hawaii in June 2007. I am only interested in comparing apples to apples as they say but I will touch on some of the other years for a brief comparative and observational analysis.

Since the image presented is a graphical image and not a physical certificate I made the concerted effort to track down known good certificates and certificates images to use for the analysis. Thanks to several individuals I managed to collect and review multiple images of certificates issued between 2001 through 2003 all of which bore an identical layout to the previous Decosta image which was issued during the same time frame. Several more certificate images and physical certificates were also sent to me of certificates issued between 2006 through 2008 directly by their respective owners. All of the 2006 through 2008 certificates bore an identical layout to one another. Several copies of the images were created to allow digital modifications to be made without altering the original images. MD5 and SHA1 signatures were generated for each of the images and their duplicates. The signatures of the duplicates matched against their originals and the original images were then moved to a separate protected directory on the server.

By separating the certificate issue dates into groups the pre-2006 certificates show a clearly different security border design than the more recent 2006 through 2008 design. There were no other visually detectible modifications to the layout of the certificates between all time frames aside from the additional change from the DATE ACCPETED to DATE FILED headings.
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Bostonian In MO
2008-11-13 21:07:46 UTC
No, but it IS absolute proof that you don't know what you're talking about.



This became such an absurd drain on the Hawaii Bureau of Vital Statistics that the State's REPUBLICAN governor personally inspected the source document -- the so-called "vault" copy -- and declared that the original document was VALID and that President Obama was BORN IN HAWAII as he has always claimed.



You obviously don't have a CLUE what an MD5 or SHA1 hash is, so stop spewing techno-babble in an attempt to impress. You might impress the rabble with it, but you won't fool this IT guy with 20 years of experience. Once you create an electronic file, whether it's a digitized image of something or a Microsoft Word document, the ONLY purpose of those hashes is to prove whether or not the file has been altered after it was created. You can NOT compare the hash of one file to the hash of another. PERIOD. Doing so is MEANINGLESS. Further, if you digitized an image of an original document and then digitized an image of a copy of the same document, the hashes WILL BE DIFFERENT. Even if you used a pre-press quality copying method with gigabit resolution there will be SOME differences between the two images and ANY difference, no matter how small or undetectable to the naked eye, WILL result in different hash values. In fact, if you made 2 digital copies of the same source image there would STILL be some minute differences between the 2 and therefore a DIFFERENT HASH.



Beyond the birth certificate is another singularly damning piece of evidence -- the fact that his birth was duly published in the local newspaper a couple days after his birth, along with several other routine birth announcements. The data in that public birth announcement matches the information on file at the Bureau of Vital Statistics in Hawaii. Ginning up a phony birth certificate is one thing. Ginning up a phony birth announcement in a 47 year old newspaper is quite another thing entirely.
Mon-chu'
2008-11-17 16:39:35 UTC
Doesn't matter. The COLB is not the document required to comply with the requirements outlined in the U.S. Constitution. The problem is

Obama has NOT provided a valid birth certificate yet. The original is "sealed" in Hawaii and only available to those with a "tangible interest". You have two people, both employees of the vital records department that have said it is a "valid" birth certificate. Nobody is disputing whether or not it is valid - they just want to know that Obama was born in the U.S.. The certificate of live birth (COLB) issued by the state of HI is NOT a valid birth certificate for the purposes of proving citizenship and this is what the media and DNC provided. The state of Hawaii has long let foreign born citizens "register" in that state and give them the COLB. What is Obama hiding and why are the interests of the citizens of the country and it's constitution not considered to be a "tangible interest"? I had to provide mine when I joined the USAF, got married, got my driver's license, employment, etc. Why is Obama above letting us see it if there are no problems with it? Hopefully, the Supreme Court will in fact review the case of Berg v. Obama and put this issue to bed for the benefit of all americans
Lord Percy Wooster II
2008-11-15 08:52:25 UTC
look at factcheck.org they saw and took pictures of the birth cert, and it has been confirmed it matches the master copy





Born in the U.S.A.

August 21, 2008

Updated: November 1, 2008

The truth about Obama's birth certificate.

Summary

In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."



We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.



Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.



Analysis

Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.



Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.



Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: "This has gotten ridiculous," state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. "There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy." . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? "I hope so," Fukino said. "We need to get some work done."



Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."



Since we first wrote about Obama's birth certificate on June 16, speculation on his citizenship has continued apace. Some claim that Obama posted a fake birth certificate to his Web page. That charge leaped from the blogosphere to the mainstream media earlier this week when Jerome Corsi, author of a book attacking Obama, repeated the claim in an Aug. 15 interview with Steve Doocy on Fox News.



Corsi: Well, what would be really helpful is if Senator Obama would release primary documents like his birth certificate. The campaign has a false, fake birth certificate posted on their website. How is anybody supposed to really piece together his life?



Doocy: What do you mean they have a "false birth certificate" on their Web site?



Corsi: The original birth certificate of Obama has never been released, and the campaign refuses to release it.



Doocy: Well, couldn't it just be a State of Hawaii-produced duplicate?



Corsi: No, it's a -- there's been good analysis of it on the Internet, and it's been shown to have watermarks from Photoshop. It's a fake document that's on the Web site right now, and the original birth certificate the campaign refuses to produce.





Corsi isn't the only skeptic claiming that the document is a forgery. Among the most frequent objections we saw on forums, blogs and e-mails are:



The birth certificate doesn't have a raised seal.

It isn't signed.

No creases from folding are evident in the scanned version.



In the zoomed-in view, there's a strange halo around the letters.

The certificate number is blacked out.

The date bleeding through from the back seems to say "2007," but the document wasn't released until 2008.

The document is a "certification of birth," not a "certificate of birth."



Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.







The Obama birth certificate, held by FactCheck writer Joe Miller









Alvin T. Onaka's signature stamp











The raised seal











Blowup of text





You can click on the photos to get full-size versions, which haven't been edited in any way, except that some have been rotated 90 degrees for viewing purposes.



The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and plac
wendy c
2008-11-14 04:22:18 UTC
this proves one thing...

Many people have NO CLUE as to how to distinguish between a credible source (ie Hawaii Dept of Vital records) and a bunch of big sounding words that come down to nothing more that a convoluted (and false) opinion.

Or, in short words..

you and others fell for a hoax.
2016-10-25 08:10:40 UTC
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2008-11-13 21:05:35 UTC
some random person rambling on about something that 99 percent of people HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT on Yahoo Answers...



is not evidence of anything... or even remotely close with in a million miles...



do conservatives know what the word "evidence" means?
truth seeker
2008-11-13 20:59:09 UTC
Oct 31, 2008



HONOLULU (AP) — State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.



Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.





http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iw1At-4G1xuE50oXVFRlBPfR3dqgD945OLU00





time to let it go, don't you think?????
2008-11-13 20:58:23 UTC
So the newspaper that reported his birth is a forgery as well and the thousands of microfilm records of the newspaper that is scattered in libraries across the nation and globe have been replaced?



Wow, this is bigger then I thought!!

(sarcasm)



Peace

Jim



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2008-11-14 02:36:47 UTC
My God, some Republicans really are desperate aren't they?



Accept it, he was born in Hawaii... no matter how much you try to spin it, he wasn't born in a cave in Afghanistan.
2008-11-13 20:52:11 UTC
The state board of Vital Stats says he was born in Hawaii...end of story.
The Patriot
2008-11-14 01:47:39 UTC
No, but you should show it to the people on my links who will believe it.
Billy
2008-11-13 20:55:14 UTC
I wish it were that easy. Many, including democrat Phil Berg, who was a Hillary Clinton supporter, tried to take him to court, and it was not pursued. This tells me that we should not pursue this issue either. If the democrats won't listen to their own, then, why beat a dead horse to death!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2066207/posts?page=1
grob
2008-11-13 22:47:03 UTC
Wow, this question so didn't go like you wanted it to go.
2008-11-13 20:54:00 UTC
What is your source for this?
2008-11-13 20:53:34 UTC
OMG Why didn't you show us this before the election?!?



No, not really. Sounds like BS.
2008-11-13 20:58:49 UTC
Give it up . Republicans LOST!!!
2008-11-14 05:04:03 UTC
sure, why not.


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