Question:
So now we are to expect another mini ice age instead of global warming? Are politicians just after control of?
Philip H
2011-06-15 05:38:13 UTC
your assets and ignoring real science?
Speculation about the future is always a bit unreliable and there is no valid "Scientific Consensus".
Is it wise to throw hundreds of billions of dollars at speculation that will probably end up being inaccurate?
Check this out: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110614/ts_afp/usspacesun
Yes, the article referenced in the link is more scientific speculation, but has as much scientific backing as any global warming theory.
What are your opinions?
Fifteen answers:
Gadfly
2011-06-15 07:07:01 UTC
Since everyone wants to cherry pick quotes from the article and give their interpretation, i'll join in.



"This is highly unusual and unexpected, but the fact that three completely different views of the Sun point in the same direction is a powerful indicator that the sunspot cycle may be going into hibernation."



This "cancelled part of the greenhouse gas warming of the period 2000-2008, causing the net global surface temperature to remain approximately flat -- and leading to the big debate of why the Earth hadn't (been) warming in the past decade,"



"Moreover, any offset of global warming due to a grand minimum of solar activity would be merely a temporary effect, since the distinct solar minima during the last millennium typically lasted for only several decades or a century at most."



So the suns activity is highly unusual and unexpected. Like the climate the sun drives, they really have no idea what the sun will be be doing in decades much less a century. They admit that temperatures have not risen over the past decade as they had predicted because they had not taken into consideration the very source of the heat that a greenhouse effect would have available to trap. This is like being more concerned with the type of lid on a pot of water you are trying to boil than of how high the stove is turned up. It is a glaring sign of science conducted with a result in mind. It is "science" that ignores data that would contradict the politically motivated conclusions the grants that fund it were intended to pay for.



Why do their climate models ignore the source of the heat that they claim dooms us all? Because unlike the witchdoctors of the past, they can not claim we are responsible for the suns behavior. They cannot use a little science to predict an eclipse and tell the tribe if they do not sacrifice and change their ways they will not bring back the sun. Now they say that we have angered mother earth and that if we do not do as they say her temper will reach a tipping point. We must act quickly and rashly because the end is near!



Don't ask what their solutions to their proposed Apocalypse could actually achieve. There is no time for that, just act now. Don't look behind the curtain or you will see that if all their proposals were followed to the letter despite the economic destruction they would inflict, their own projections show less than a single degree of "warming" would be averted over the next century. But the already faltering world economy would be thrown into a virtual dark age that would cause suffering on a global scale.



Of course developing industrial countries like China and India would never agree to their hysterical demands so the proposed effect would be much less than a single degree if any at all. And since the suns behavior is unpredictable, the temperature could decline, a much more devastating eventuality for all of us. A 3 degree drop in global temperature would cause as much starvation and misery as the proposals with which they wish to save us but it would not allow them to control the worlds wealth nor give them power until they came up with a way to claim they could "bring the sun back".
efflandt
2011-06-15 13:19:09 UTC
It is unusual for the weather to be usual. If you do get a pattern for a period of time, that is likely to change. They cannot completely accurately predict what the weather will be next week, much less 10-20 years into the future.



At one time the consensus was that the earth was flat, and then that everything revolved around the earth. In the early 1970's the concern was global cooling, so we cleaned up the air and then it was global warming. But they do not really know what is going to happen, so they changed their tune from "global warming" to "climate change", so they can be right regardless of what unpredictable thing happens. It is all about the money.
2011-06-15 12:49:31 UTC
Your article has little to do with weather on the planet Earth.



Abraham Lincoln once said that when all of the experts agree they very well could be wrong. That said there is no time in history where the scientific community had greater consensus about a theory that could not be directly tested. The job of a good scientist is to be skeptical. There will never be 100% agreement in a field where careers are made by being the one person that disagreed and was correct.
BekindtoAnimals22
2011-06-15 15:08:47 UTC
The margin of error the IPCC uses in determining the average temperature of the earth is bigger than the expected average temperature change they predict. These people have been engaged in weather modification for years. Hundreds of thousands of people witnessing the checkerboards in the skies have demanded to know what they are spraying all over the world. They claim they are contrails but why would one airplane keep flying over the same area over and over again all day, day after day? The UN has put a moratorium on this activitiy but it continues relentlessly. Its called Geo engineering.



India has objected because this activity is, according to them, causing servere droughts in their country. China and Russia are very open about their activty of spraying the clouds to force rain or force stopping the rain/snow. Look at our own weather that is highly abnormal. 100 year record floods in huge areas while other areas are burning from drought. Our climate is being changed by man's activities, but more so by the activities of the "self appointed Gods" who believe they can control the weather, control the climate, and control our lives.
Bolide ⌡shinning bacon of hope...⌠
2011-06-15 12:50:13 UTC
You might wish to actually read the article you linked to:



"A new Maunder-type solar activity minimum cannot offset the global warming caused by human greenhouse gas emissions," wrote authors Georg Feulner and Stefan Rahmstorf, noting that forecasts by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change have found a range of 3.7 Celsius to 4.5 Celsius rise by this century's end compared to the latter half of the 20th century.



"Moreover, any offset of global warming due to a grand minimum of solar activity would be merely a temporary effect, since the distinct solar minima during the last millennium typically lasted for only several decades or a century at most."
Thalia
2011-06-15 12:47:58 UTC
In theory climate change would affect different parts of the world in different ways. Its more like a shifting mosaic than something as simple as everywhere becoming warmer.



So global warming of the Antartica could cause the Gulf Stream which warms Europe and the US East Coast to collapse, causing temperatures to drop in that part of the world.



At the same time Africa and Latin America would scorch and their rainforests turn into dry savannah.
2011-06-15 13:49:13 UTC
They're guessing, and any/all evidence that doesn't fit their agenda will never see the light of day (unless hacked). That is already proven & documented.

Where were these "warmie" mouthpieces when we had 32 inches of snow ground cover?

The new name is "Whatever happens is your fault", so quit your griping, and get out your wallet because their jet needs fuel.

(Pelosi's C-32 got 2.236 miles per gallon ... how economical & green.)

Think they care about their duped sheep? What a belly laugh. Just look what they do with the money.
tribeca_belle
2011-06-15 12:49:06 UTC
You didn't even read, or perhaps understand, your own cited article. You are so eager to post some anti-global warming propaganda that you are not paying attention to the scientific findings.



There is scientific consensus on global warming. It is not pure speculation. There is no real benefit in ignoring what the scientists are telling us about the harm that we are doing to our own planet. You are putting money before people and before the very environment that sustains human life.
?
2011-06-15 17:23:41 UTC
The global average temperature, will do what it does. Regardless of us puny mortals.



Here is a lot of scientific rhetoric and media hype from the ice age scare forty years ago: http://www.climatedepot.com/a/3213/Dont-Miss-it-Climate-Depots-Factsheet-on-1970s-Coming-Ice-Age-Claims



Here is 100 years worth of media hype and scientific babble. This is four climate scares, including today's: http://ruby.fgcu.edu/courses/twimberley/EnviroPhilo/FireAndIce.pdf



The rhetoric never changes. Just the thermal trend of hot or cold...
L.T.M.
2011-06-15 12:53:14 UTC
No problem Philip, the "changers" have that covered. They pushed cooling in the '70s.. then switched to warming, so switching back is no sweat. Though with the 'internets' available to us peasants, rewriting history will be a little tougher this time.
2011-06-15 12:44:00 UTC
You might have missed this part of that article.

The temperature change associated with any reduction in sunspot activity would likely be minimal and may not be enough to offset the impact of greenhouse gases on global warming, according to scientists who have published recent papers on the topic.
2011-06-15 12:44:32 UTC
You can not read ? "Moreover, any offset of global warming due to a grand minimum of solar activity would be merely a temporary effect, since the distinct solar minima during the last millennium typically lasted for only several decades or a century at most.""
?
2011-06-15 12:42:13 UTC
There IS a scientific consensus. Scientists warned climate change would bring about more moisture in the air due to melting polar ice caps, more extreme weather, more dangerous storms and more natural disasters.



What's been happening the last year or so? All of these things.
?
2011-06-15 12:42:41 UTC
If we are to believe any warnings of a global government and the fascism behind it, it will come under an "Earth First" banner.





Look at Gore. He has done nothing for the planet, but he sure made a chunk of change for himself by cashing in on scaremongering, didn't he?



Now he has more money to fly around to multiple houses.
ayy
2011-06-15 12:42:25 UTC
Ice age was a good movie


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