Question:
If torture kept America safe, how does releasing photos of torture make America less safe?
2009-05-15 13:12:39 UTC
There isn't enough room on YA to change torture to "enhanced interrogation techniques"

So call it what you will.
Eighteen answers:
2009-05-15 13:24:53 UTC
The last time a set of similar photos was released the effect was to stimulate more active recruitment of suicide bombers throughout the moslem world. The inference by President Obama and David Axelrod that the same thing might happen again was highly plausible. The contradictory inference would be highly implausible -- in fact blameworthy dereliction of duty --- the sort of thing that very irreponsible people with no stake in the matter would do.



There is no indication that torture kept America safe. The purpose of the torture was to elicit information that is in fact not true, -- that Saddam had an Al Qaida connection. Cheney should be tried as a war criminal.



The intent of the torture was to get information showing that G.W. Bush did not invade Iraq in error. But he did. Dr. Kay's report proved that. And no connection has ever been found between Saddam and Al Qaida prior to G.W. Bush's invasion of Iraq.



The torture was done to keep G.W. Bush safe from political embarrassment. Cheney was hoping that something would turn up so that people wouldn't think the Iraq war was created by a cabal of Texas oilmen intent on dividing up the spoils in Iraq's oilfields.



It was not done to keep America safe- as Cheney claims.



It was done to keep Karl Rove, and Dick Cheney and G.W. Bush safe from being thought of as idiots or worse. These are the "Slam Dunk" guys. They were mistaken. A lot of people were tortured trying to get some scintilla of information indicating that they were not mistaken -- that they were correct. You can read the Matt Smith article just by searching "Matt Smith CNN Cheney" on Google. It would take you 3/1000ths of a second. Too hard? Or too hardheaded?



Read the article. Senior people who were in the room make the claim.



If it's true, Cheney's conduct is heinous and dishonorable. He should be turned over to an International Tribunal for trial as a war criminal.



Not since the Inquisition have people been tortured for political ideology or religious beliefs, or just to save an idiotic politician from the embarrassment of his own idiotic errors. Cheney's actions, if confirmed, violate all the preremptory norms of human conduct. He is a monster of self-serving power abuse.



Just my opinion, if the Matt Smith article is substantiated by sworn testimony of eyewitnesses, which I think it will be, if anybody cares to call them in and put them under oath (which I expect will happen).



I don't claim to have any independent knowledge of the veracity of Matt Smith's article. I do claim to be a retired Navy JAG, trained in military law, and international law. Trial of Cheney as a war criminal does not mean he is one -- it just means we want to find out if he is one. I want to find out. So do some other Americans -- maybe not the conservative GOP dittoheads -- but some Americans, patriots even.
Sgt Red
2009-05-15 13:25:02 UTC
The memos should never have been released to let our enemies know how much or LITTLE we would do to them if captured and the photo's should not be released because all the photos will do is inflame our enemies and make them want to destroy the country even more than they wanted to in the first place (if that is possible).

In any case those things are best kept under lock and key and are not necessary for the public to see or be privy too. I thought that was what our security was about and for.
Crapface
2009-05-15 13:21:38 UTC
I think you might be confused. Torture didn't keep America safe. It made it more prone to attacks at home and especially abroad. It's called the security dilemma.



The pictures were taken of prisoners being tortured. Why torture prisoners? They're not going anywhere.



Releasing the pictures would only increase anti-American sentiment thus opening Americans abroad, including US troops, up to hostile foreigners.



If you are referring to waterboarding then you should understand that it is a technique that was developed to draw false confessions from prisoners.
coxtol
2009-05-15 13:21:23 UTC
Don't do to others what you don't want others do to you !!!



Call it Interrogation, Tickling or whatever but a guy hoping to kill himself for his belief will never tell you ****.



Patriots - It should make you cry to hear that America tortures. Don't try to justify it. Be objective!



Scientist will tell you that Torture is not efficient at all to gather information. Especially against those guys.
ryeker
2009-05-15 13:18:49 UTC
Because the photos would show what terrorists we interrogated and tortured, and when the other terrorists see which ones we actually did catch and toture, they will assume that anything that particular terrorist knew about the organization's future plans is also known by the U.S. Gov't. Once the CIA finds out about a future plan by terrorists, they want that attack to go through as planned so that they can intercept and stop the plan.
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2009-05-15 13:18:48 UTC
Photos of torture were released wwaayyyy before Obama. And America hasnt tortured for over 200 years.... at the cost of American lives. But thats the price you pay.
2009-05-15 13:22:13 UTC
Because the "torture technique is only threatening, and only works if you actually think the person will let you drown. If you release pictures and details of the technique, it will no longer work.



This debate just goes to show how stupid Obama and his Bots are. Without thinking it through, they blurt out secrets'. And, then turn around, saying ,"oops, we, um, seem to have, um... er, what it appears, um...".
Sweet P
2009-05-15 13:19:44 UTC
Personally, I don't think it makes America less safe, I just think it will make American citizens aware of what is going on and what the government is doing with out taxes. FYI, fifty one cents of every dollar we pay in taxes goes to the military who use enhanced interrogation techniques.
2009-05-15 13:19:46 UTC
It wouldn't make America less safe, they're probably not releasing them just to avoid pissing people off like the last time they went public...just avoids a scandal.
2009-05-15 13:19:38 UTC
Yea, it's another contradiction on the right-wing ...



First they defend torture (which is UNBELIEVABLE) and then praise Obama for not releasing the pictures.



So my question is ... if you feel these pics are so horrible that it will put in danger our troops, why do you support in the first place what's going on in these pics????
2009-05-15 13:20:40 UTC
I think it is embarrassing. The hajis will look at that and think "they call that torture?



If I had my way you would see a haji getting his nuts whipped with a truck antennae ....that might make'em think twice.
Maxwell
2009-05-15 13:19:46 UTC
I'm not sure. Maybe Obama will tell us the logic thru his "transparency" program
2009-05-15 13:17:19 UTC
I'll paraphrase some conservatives on Y/A



"MOAR TORTURE! MOAR TAX CUTS!"
2009-05-15 13:30:15 UTC
it was not touture and need you be reminded of how the muslim world reacted to cartoons. unicorns and elves i say.
gitrdoneobama
2009-05-15 13:17:49 UTC
Watch out, you might make a Republicans head explode!
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2009-05-15 13:19:10 UTC
it insights hatred and rage towards our troops
Cassie77
2009-05-15 13:25:51 UTC
torcture gets answers
2009-05-15 13:16:47 UTC
It gives our enemy moral support.


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