Nick Raynsford is the latest New Labour MP to be questioned for fraud, is BNP leader right to be concerned?

Question

OK you hate the BNP but whether you hate them or not, Nick Griffin is the only political party leader to say he will clear corruption from parliment and at every goverment level. Not one present mainstream or other serious party leader has come out in support. Does that not say somthing? Meanwhile Nick Raynsford has left his wife of 30 years and is being questioned over a firm he has connections with making millions from the London Olympics (Daily Mail 23/9/07 page 15). We know that New Labour have a bad reputation for fraud and we also know that the torries also have fraudsters in their midst but who is going to stop the fraud with only one political leader speaking out. Surley whatever you think of Griffin we should all support him on this issue.

Answer 1

he has a great idea , id like to see it happen.



its the rest of what the BNP sya and stand for that i object to. id rather the country failed completely then vote BNP.. sorry but all politics is corrupt and i see no reason that the BNP wont be either

Answer 2

Corruption is inexcusable no matter what Party is involved. Unfortunately corruption is from the top to the bottom, hence the reason for the Standards Board for England which is there to root out corrupt Councillors and I can say they do an excellent job with the help of the public. Before anybody asks, no I don't work for them!. As soon as some of these people are elected no matter to what position whether it be MP or Councillor their first thoughts are, what's in it for me and how can I line my own pockets?. I am not a BNP supporter, but I will support anybody who is prepared to expose corruption. Let's hope Nick Griffin and his Councillors are squeaky clean.

Answer 3

The Labour Party have changed Britain over the last 10 years, by teaching everyone how to be a self centred scum bag. The Scots have their own Parliament, but keep voting Scots into power in England so they can have the best of both worlds. Gordon Brown spends a fortune in English tax payer's money on Scotland, while the English are screwed. They are all a bunch of Mafia running the country.

I would support anyone that could put a bit of integrity and decency into the running of this country, instead of brown nosing American Presidents, and getting British subjects killed.

Answer 4

A) He ought to have been legitimatly invited. yet Griffin lied. It become not all of the hoo haa from Johnson, this got here earlier, because of the fact the London assembly member went to the click and informed them. Griffin is using the entire sufferer element of attempt and win votes. he's not a sufferer. i'm getting the entire time that there is a media conspiracy. Erm, if the writers and the readers all hate the BNP, then this is not suprising is it? Plus, they self sell themselves using the QUEEN, the non-political queen who should not be used for such issues. it quite is so unbritish this is exceptional. B) CHurch leaders are in contact because of the fact the BNP is attempting to apply the church, to boot because of the fact the queen. it quite is hypocracy. C) Tolerance and braveness. Hmm, no person says this in regards to the leaders of alternative events that have one hundred cases extra of this than Griffin gets. Brown is ridiculed all of the time for how he seems, does he pop out and pass to the newspaper's point? D) ethical fortitude? there is not something ethical in racism, anti-semitism of xenaphobia. it quite is named lack of expertise! yet, as quickly as you have give up moaning and whining, undergo in concepts this. The extra fulfillment the BNP has, the extra they are going to be in the media spotlight, the extra they would be afflicted by this. Get used to it. the click would be throughout them on the final election if the BNP get a single seat on the ecu election. then you certainly can whine your heart out approximately how stressful this is to be a racist in the united kingdom, it is so unfair that your suited to declare terrible issues approximately black human beings is being taken away with the aid of those dastardly politicians.

Answer 5

Having looked at the BNP website, I do recognize that they are highly articulate, very persuasive, and in touch with what people feel re immigration and various other policies.



None of this, though, changes the fact that the BNP are an inherently racist party, and always have been.



If the BNP ever got into power - G-d forbid - then you would never see another Asian, Jewish, Black or Gay person in this country ever again. Either because they would sensibly flee, or because the BNP would dispose of them.



Is that really the type of world you wish to live in?



Several BNP founder members have spent time in prison after unprovoked attacks on people from ethnic minorities.



I agree that both Labour and Conservative are dire.

I agree that there is nobody remotely inspiring in politics in this country.



But I will never, ever agree that the BNP is something to vote for.

Answer 6

I have always voted labour in the past but not any more because labour has turned its back on the working class.

But the day I vote for the BNP will be the day that hell freezers over.

Because make no misstate the BNP would be many times worse than all the other political parties put together.

When we vote we want progress, free speech and the right to vote them out of office if we don't like what we see, with the BNP we would get nothing but FEAR.

FEAR from speaking your mind.

FEAR from the Knock on the door at dead of night.

FEAR from not saying the right things.

FEAR from not knowing friend-or-foe, as in who to trust.

FEAR from speaking to the wrong people.

Your life would be ruled by FEAR put one foot wrong and you are GONE

Answer 7

Nick Griffin is human and all humans are open to corruption.

What guarantee do you have that he will clear corruption from parliment etc.

That's is a pipe dream!



Hitler gave the people what they wanted, in the beginning!



Bad principles can be found in anyone if they give way, that is my humble opinion.

Answer 8

i agree. there are too many spineless people in this country all! of them waiting for some one El's! to get their hands dirty putting things right. we have allowed dis honesty lies and deception to flow into politics and now view it as the norm. we allow crooks and liars to run our country but expect our children to find example within the hypocrisy of it all, and then wonder why they see crime as the answere to their problems. the BNP are! in fact the last hope Britain has to retain its culture and save the country. there are three policies of the British National Party that i personaly dont like. there are a lot more than that in new labour. but i will give the British National Party my! vote. then fight to have those policies looked at again. national pride is what seeds greatness. holds a society together when faced with troubles. makes a man feel like hes some body. be he a French Nationalist. a German Nationalist or a British Nationalist. he stands firm and proud within who he is. feels security in that he's part of the whole. i believe that with all my heart. i want honesty back in British politics. real ! laws that will protect the inoccent. and above all! i want 'as a British man...to feel part of my country again.

Answer 9

you'll find that alot of people agree with Nick Griffin but they don't vote for him because they're frightened of what people might think, they would rather watch their country fall down around them. If you look on the bnp's website and read their polices you'll notice that they are saying what we are all thinking. they are thougher on crime, immigration, benefit cheats. The only people they are interested in is law abiding tax payers. If you agree with them why not vote for them?

Answer 10

Ah, the wonderful world of Redmonk. Where every Labour and Tory MP is a seething mass of corruption, and only St Nick Griffin can ride in on his white horse and save us from sleaze and corruption.



But it's not like that, is it Red? There are plenty of corrupt Labour, and Tory MPs and councillors. I don't doubt that. There are no corrupt BNP MPs, are there? Because there are no BNP MPs. Are there any suspect BNP councillors? Well there can't be, can there? Otherwise St Nick Griffin would have put them to the sword in his campaign against sleaze and corruption.



Well, apart from:



Terry Farr (Epping Forest) - suspended for three months by the local Standards Committee for writing abusive racist letters.



Tony Lecomber, a leading BNP activist - sentenced to three years’ imprisonment for leading an antisemitic attack on a Jewish teacher by a gang of BNP thugs.



Robert Bailey (Barking and Dagenham) - supposedly shares a flat in the borough with Richard Barnbrook, though neither lives there. Most recently Bailey, the BNP’s deputy group leader on the council, was found to be living in an illegally parked caravan.



Claire Doncaster (Barking and Dagenham). Three months after being elected she was evicted from her council house for failing to pay £2,000 of rent arrears. She has failed to turn up to a single meeting of the tenants and residents group in her ward since being elected in May 2006.



Richard Barnbrook (Barking and Dagenham). The BNP’s group leader on the council, Barnbrook has never lived in the borough but rented a rundown flat for the sole purpose of getting himself on the Electoral Register to qualify to stand in the May 2006 council elections.



Robert Buckley (Barking and Dagenham). Buckley is one of three Barking and Dagenham BNP councillors who were hauled before the courts for rent arrears after their election.



Sandra Doncaster (Barking and Dagenham). Mother of Claire Doncaster, she too was taken to court for non-payment of council tax. She had not paid for two years and stacked up a debt of £2,170.34.



Alan Bailey (Havering) - pleaded guilty to carrying out a violent unprovoked assault on a man in February 2004.



Brian Turner (Burnley). In 2005 Turner was convicted of assaulting his wife and a police officer while a councillor, and ordered to do 100 hours’ community service, yet the BNP refused to disown him.



Leonard Starr (Burnley). Elected on a law and order ticket, Starr was later cautioned for selling alcohol to underage drinkers.



David Enderby (Redditch). In January 2007 he was found guilty of three counts of assaulting members of his estranged wife's family. Soon after Enderby was elected in May 2006 his agent, Kevin Hughes, was sent to prison for a vicious and unprovoked racist assault on an asylum seeker.



James Lloyd (Sandwell) - Lloyd is currently under investigation because he voted in the council’s budget meeting although he had not paid his council tax.



Paul Cromie (Bradford). Cromie came under investigation by council legal officers for giving £5 notes to local pensioners in Christmas cards in December 2006.



Richard Mulhall (Calderdale). Mulhall was found guilty of benefit fraud in October 2006, including against the council on which he is BNP group leader, and sentenced to 200 hours’ community service.



Bearing in mind the BNP have less than 50 councillors nationwide, this sorry lot represents a sizeable proportion that St Nick has failed to remove, despite their corrupt and criminal practices. Why should we believe his claims that he would rid Westminster of corruption when his party is represented by benefit fraudsters and men of violence?



As for Mr Raynsford, who I agree, is a thoroughly dislikeable individual. He's left his wife. Sorry, Red, that's not illegal and if every public figure who left their partner were to be disbarred, we'd have no one left.



Questioned for fraud? I've just checked the Daily Mail website:



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=483407&in_page_id=1770



MP in Olympics row leaves wife for Bon Jovi-loving former aide



You see, your headline statement "questioned for fraud", implies a criminal act of fraud and police involvement. But that's not what this Daily Mail story says. The only people asking questions are Tory MPs from this article (Daily Mail 23/9/07). You've tried to mislead us again, haven't you?



I don't actually doubt that Raynsford has his snout in the trough, like many other MPs, but you've exaggerated to make your political point, which is dishonest. And if you seriously believe that the assorted thieves, thugs and idiots of the BNP would not be fighting to get their slice of the action, well, you're very much mistaken, and, being very kind now, extremely naive.