Question:
What is wrong with universal health care?
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
What is wrong with universal health care?
29 answers:
Barbara
2016-04-08 03:54:32 UTC
Whats wrong with Universal Health Care? It is by far the better system.However it would be bad for special interests. The drug companies and insurance companies would rightly see it as a threat to their profits. It would wipe out HMO's. It would put vast numbers of insurance paper pushers out of work. There would be less demand for new CATSCAN machines because in Universal Health Care, hospitals do not compete with each other. They share expensive equipment and keep these machines doing work a greater percentage of the 24 hour day. Doctors too would not like losing the right to charge what the market place will bear.
The Patriot
2008-02-02 21:45:27 UTC
In the USA, you pay more per person for healthcare, and yet, the US has higher infant mortality and lower life expectancy than other countries in Western Europe 'cursed' with universal healthcare. Yes there are problems. I should know, I work in the NHS in the UK. But trust me, it is not as bad as the lies and half truths posted on this question. Yes people do have private treatment, and like people in the US do, some go abroad to get it (though of those who do, a very small minority travel to the US). Our healthcare system is government run, and can be better. But look at the figures for the UK, and compare life expectancy in Canada and the UK to the US along with infant mortality.



If you are proud to pay more for a system where babies who die would have had a better chance of life if born in Western Europe (where we pay less), then keep your system.
Laughing all the way
2008-01-27 23:49:59 UTC
komatzuman: I live in Canada I wait usually about 5 minutes to see a doctor. We have walk in clinics for flus and colds. Emergency rooms we have to wait a few hours or so...

atheling... My grandparents both have hearing aids and they waited about a week to get them.

I don't know what you have been hearing but it's false.

my grandma had a heart valve replacement and got nothing but the best care and she didn't pay a cent. My teacher had pre-mature twins and had to stay in the hospital for a month. She got nothing but the best care and didn't pay a cent. I needed eye surgery i didn't pay a cent and I got excellent care. Do you see the pattern? I wouldn't trade our system for yours ever. Not even if I became a millionaire. (Oh wait I already am)



Anyways I like our universal health care. It's not perfect but what system is? Don't blame illegal immigrants. You need a health care card to get health care. It's not like just any Jo Chuck or Larry can get it. (Unless they are unconscious)



I can decide what doctor I want to see, I've never been told I can't see a doctor. I can get as many opinions as I want as many times as I want. The thing is we still depend on insurance. The doctor visit is free, but the prescription is not free. That's where you need insurance. Major operations are free, and prescriptions where it's life or death are free. Otherwise you're on your own.
2008-01-27 23:18:42 UTC
Judging from all the "omg, you have to wait for hours and hours in the emergency room like at the DMV" stories, I think people are thoroughly misled about both our own health-care system and socialized systems. Waiting hours and hours in an emergency room is not foreign to the U.S.; in fact, I would say it happens rather often in bigger hospitals. Recently a woman died after she was left bleeding out of her mouth on the floor of an L.A. hospital: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19207050/?GT1=10056 . I'm sorry. The "quality" of our health-care is not so amazing as everyone is brainwashed to think.



And, to add my own anecdotes, an American friend of mine who plays rugby was injured in Canada. She had a fine experience with the clinic; there was no wait, no incompetent doctors. She liked it better than her regular American clinic. My aunt works for a health-insurance company here in the States and has friends who were educated and trained in nursing and medicine in Canada. Their training is just as rigorous as, if not more rigorous than, ours.



I think people are kept in the dark about the benefits of socialized medicine because, indeed, as you say, there are many very rich and powerful institutions who have an interest in keeping people ignorant and perpetuating horror stories about the "long waits" and "poor quality." I have a feeling that, if organized and administered in the right way or even just state-by-state, socialized health-care would work just fine in America.



Perhaps the solution to all this is to actually move to Canada, which I just may do in the near future.
mjmayer188
2008-01-28 08:14:09 UTC
Last point first, I do mind paying higher taxes!



I don't think you automatically remove all of the things that make health care so expensive by having the government run it. I think you simply add another layer of expense.



What I believe is that there isn't any real competition at many levels of the health care system. Lack of competition means higher prices for drugs and other services. Ultimately we pay for those services.



Unless we lower the overall cost of health care, it won't make much difference who runs it.
2008-01-27 22:28:16 UTC
I went down to the DMV to get my drivers license renewed about 3 years ago. I remember the nightmare of it 8 years before and I was not looking forward to it.



They gave me a number

I took the test

They graded it, I passed

Took my photo

I was out the door in an hour, on a Friday afternoon.



Obviously they took the time to fix it.



What the USA needs to do before they impliment a Universal Health Care system is to go to every country that has it, see what works and what doesn't, then model after the best of all worlds.



What I fear will happen is they will make it as complicated as the prescription drug plan, with multiple systems to choose from that is rampant with exclusions. This is one area of socialism where we do indeed need a one size fits all system, with no exclusions with the exception of elective treatments and surgery. If someone wants more, they can pay for it.



Finally, universal health care is guaranteed in our Constitution.



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We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense,



promote the general welfare,



and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

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There ya have it, universal health care, that is guaranteed for our soldiers and federally elected officials, but not for the people that have to put up with insurance companies, denials, endless paper work, in short, a frigging nightmare. Why do the ones who vote against it have it, but we don't? Ponder that.



Keep in mind, 50% of all bankruptcies are due to medical bills and 50% of those were "responsible" and had medical insurance.



Finally, why are most of the horror stories coming from 2nd and third parties? Obviously there is a lot of lying and deception to keep universal health care out of our country and the fat insurance companies rich. They have a vested interest to keep the confusing, conflabbergated system going at all costs, that includes lying to everyone about it and buying off the talking heads on talk radio.



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Life is so simple, but we insist on making it complicated



Confucius

551 - 479 BC

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Peace



Jim



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joseph b
2008-01-28 03:11:33 UTC
Okay, here is your answer, Canada and Great Briton has NOT made health care work. There are many private clinics popping up for those who can afford them due to the lack of quality in those countries. SO what happens is a two tier health care system, one for the rich and one for everyone else. Now, where do you think the best docs, nurses, tech and other professionals are going to go work? Hint, they will make more in those private clinics!!!!



In the US, we can choose what doc we want to see and when, not so in a universal system.



In the US, health care is better than anyplace on earth. Why? Because when an industry is private, and must compete, there is a race to be better, this promotes research and advancements in the field of health care.



DO you think that Viagra would have been developed if the government was involved?



Look at Social Security, Look at Medicare, seems that the government can't even handle.



And about those taxes, Are you willing to go broke when the government takes 1/2 to 3/4 of your paycheck, remember the baby boomers are getting to an age where they will need extensive medical services, we don't have enough workers to pay for them, let alone everybody else.
Mas Tequila
2008-01-27 22:48:04 UTC
It does no good to have the best health care in the world if most citizens are excluded, meaning it's so expensive they can't pay.



You all are deluding yourselves if you think our system is so great. Long waits in our ERs are standard. Health care would be so much better if the insurance companies were out of the picture - think about how much they profit and they add NO value. They are in it to deny coverage so they can enrich themselves like parasites.



I say again, SOME coverage is better than none. Health care should be accessible to all. There is a reason Europe enjoys a much higher standard of living than we do.



All this said, I'm healthy as a horse as are all living members of my family. I speak for those who aren't as fortunate, for those who go bankrupt and have to sell their homes just because they get sick. In a country like ours, it's just not right. The worst part is those who would deny care to those who can least afford it are bible thumping republicans. Think about that. Your God is waiting for you on judgment day.
2008-01-27 22:13:20 UTC
Well, because of the things that come with it. Doctors offices will be more filled and thus it will be more difficult for them to pay as much attention to those patients that can pay. Preference will not be given to those with money. Republicans will not be able to give as big of a tax cut. Being a doctor will not be as attractive of a position anymore.



In a nutshell, those people that are used to getting quick service because they have money will have to wait.



I am in Canada. Walk in doctors are fine. I do not have to wait that long. However, at the IC Unit of the hospital the wait is ridiculous. It is doctors that have gone independent that make things more efficient. Furthermore, being a doctor is not an attractive profession, they tend to overwork you.



However, for the masses it will be a good thing. Keep this in mind... disease is contagous.
Andrea
2008-01-27 22:32:07 UTC
I don't understand where all these Americans are getting their 'horror stories' about universal health care.

I live in Canada. I have yet to meet a SINGLE person that would rather switch to the us-based private health care system. Not one! Yes, there are problems with universal health care, and we are working on fixing them. Yes, you will occasionally hear us complain about certain things, but in the end we would never want to get rid of our health care system.



Here, we live longer and lead overall healthier lives. Yes, our taxes are higher, yet when you bring in the high amounts of money you guys have to give to insurance companies, and the ridiculously over-priced bill you get from one doctor's visit, you will see that overall you guys end up paying more.

I've asked questions on here to Canadians and surprise surprise, they all love our system. The two most recent:

https://answersrip.com/question/index?qid=20080120215623AAInO9d
2008-01-28 00:22:31 UTC
Well...it's the same as Medicare....welfare health care...except, all of the poor, illegal immigrants, and minority groups of people will be standing in the line to see the same Doctor....count on waiting all day, or be put a waiting list which is a week to two weeks long. And, the Government will pay for it....



And those who can afford the expensive health care and Doctors will be taken care of with a nice room, no waiting lists, no lines in the ER...
2008-01-27 22:22:07 UTC
Why do people care that doctors may get less pay?



Well maybe because now the best and the brightest won't decided to pursue a career in medicine if they have to work for government scale. So we end up with the C students running our health care. Duh!!!! Does any of what you said strike you as communistic?







If England and Canada can make national health care work, we can as well. Is it because of the higher taxes?



Yea, thats why the rich of those countries come here for their medical needs. I guess it doesn't work quite as well as you thought. But that higher taxes thing will play well with the liberals. Look how successful social security is.









I would feel more comfortable having the government regulating health care, instead of greedy insurance, pharmacutical, and health care companies. Wouldn't you?



Hell NO! Go to the DMV and see how long it takes you renew your drivers license. Took me about 3 1/2hrs last time. Now go to the local hospital and see how long it takes to see a health care pro. Greedy insurance companies? Have you seen the pork burped out of congress in the last year. GREEDY?







The health care industry is so corrupt, I am willing to take a chance on the government, and I don't mind paying higher taxes. What do you think???



I think this is the most ill-conceived boondoggle in American history.
Gluten-Free Highland Runner
2008-01-27 22:19:09 UTC
I agree. The government should supply everyone with health insurance. So what if doctors get paid less; if you are going to be a doctor for the money then you should consider another profession. It is the government's responsibility to protect the people- that's there job!!! National health care is the way of the future for America, some just want to delay the inevitable. VOTE HILLARY!!!
atheling_2
2008-01-27 22:45:05 UTC
Socialized health care is a nightmare in England and Canada. They have doctor shortages and have to import them from other countries. People who need hearing aids have to wait over 10 years to get them.



Ask any veteran who depends on the VA for health care. It's a mess, and it's run by the government.



Giving government power and money is like giving whiskey and the car keys to teenage boys.
nacsez
2008-01-27 22:12:32 UTC
in short, there isnt anything wrong with it ideally. in practice however, it would destroy the competition which drives advancement as well as costing the federal government a huge amount of money which it most certainly doesnt have right now. the government has no place issuing health care to individual citizens anyhow. ever read the 10th amendment? it goes something like this:



those powers not specifically given to congress fall directly to the states and to the people.



no where does it say anything about health care. if youre state wants to give universal health care, thats perfectly fine, but the federal government should just stay the hell out of it, along with all the other 10th amendment violations its currently persuing.
leowin1948
2008-01-27 22:34:54 UTC
NHS or Govt Sponsored Health care is failing through out the world due to bureocracy,inefficency.Even in USA and UK people are opting for private hospitals.I understand people in UK is not generally happy with NHS.They are trying to send patients to India ,where private hospitals cost less even after including air fare and other expenses.

It is better Health Insurance Companies enlist private hospitals for direct settlement of bills(like in India) so that good medical care is at your choice,not a choice of Govt.

An optional Govt Health Scheme is a better choice.
akafish77
2008-01-27 22:38:09 UTC
For the people who say that we have a higher mortality rate, you are correct. However, this includes the number who die from car accidents, gun crime, and obesity. I went to England last summer and the whole time that I was there I did not see a single Brit that was obese. I saw two cars that had accident damage. And I happen to know that they have outlawed guns.



America has the best healthcare in the world. Yes, it costs a lot, but truly think about it. If you had a terminal illness, would you stay here in America, or go to Canada, or any other country.
Smart Kat
2008-01-27 22:15:48 UTC
We need reform in the medical feild, but NOT universal health care!



And I wouldn't mind paying the extra tax, if we got what we paid for, but with Uncle Sam, that is rarely the case!
?
2008-01-27 22:19:44 UTC
ummmm...to the person describing the "waiting in line" scenario.....canada and uk have way lower mortality rates than we do...they live longer and require less medical intervention....if the gov't foots the bill maybe they would care more about the actual health of our people....maybe fast food would not be promoted anymore....maybe docs would quit prescribing bogus meds just to get you taking more meds...i had a friend who was on 36 medications....four of which she needed, 32 of which were for side effects of the four she needed or betteryet for side effects caused from the meds she was taking for side effects.....lol............we are such a bore....people say...if you don't like it here....move.....trust you me, i want to....but 12.50 an hour for a five person family doesn't buy an airline ticket.....it barely pays rent
2008-01-27 22:16:33 UTC
The problem is that England, and especially Canada, have NOT made universal health care work. If a Canadian needs some urgent health care, he gets it by coming to the US. If the US had such a system, and you needed care, where would you go?
bamaglory
2008-01-27 22:45:15 UTC
The health care system is corrupt! You will be playing Russian roulette with your life if government takes over. Name 1 successful program they have. Education NOPE, Social Security, NO AGAIN, How about our roads and highways, Strike 3. I know Medicare, hum nope. Oh I know welfare and food stamps, Well no illegals are getting free access to that to. Gee I can't name 1. BUT Hell yeah let them tell me if I need medical treatment. I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!!
Venom
2008-01-28 00:12:38 UTC
The problem...



it's called illegal immigration.



Imagine waiting in line when the 30 people ahead of you are illegal aliens. I think that might piss a few people off. Free health care for people who don't rate it....



let's ship our illegal aliens to Canada....I bet you in 5 years...you going to see some whining Canadians.
lancelot682005
2008-01-27 22:18:24 UTC
You must not research where it is being done at now...



I have a friend in Canada who tore a ligament in her leg.



Her appointment to have it surgically repaired was 3 months from time of injury till surgery.



This is not an ODD story.

An IF you smoke, LORD have mercy, cuz you will be the last in line for care because you smoke...
2008-01-27 22:18:02 UTC
i wish i had healthcare, and yes i do work. I teach. i make too much to qualify for medicaid.
?
2008-01-27 22:12:48 UTC
I'll tell you, they sure do have their problems with nationalized healthcare in both England and Canada. It sure isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination.
komatzuman
2008-01-27 22:13:25 UTC
ask someone in Canada how long they wait to see a doctor
2008-01-27 22:10:17 UTC
In general I tend to agree.
cadisneygirl
2008-01-27 22:10:45 UTC
Go down to the DMV and try to change your address or take a new photo.



Now imagine if it wasnt a new photo you needed, but a new kidney.



Then ask yourself if you still want the gvt in charge of your health.
heyteach
2008-01-28 02:40:11 UTC
This is a false choice: either the government does health care or we're at the mercy of the large insurers.



The large insurers ARE a huge portion of the problem, but the other portion IS the government. Right now, though when it won't work they will change what they advocate, Dems claim that private insurance will be used to provide health care. However, they're very careful to NOT reform the numerous flaws of insurance.



Insurance companies routinely deny contract law.

Linda Peeno, MD testified that she would regularly deny legitimate claims to save the company money:

http://www.thenationalcoalition.org/DrPeenotestimony.html



Anti-trust laws are NOT enforced against the large insurers:

"the vast majority of health insurance policies are through for-profit stock companies. They are in the process of “shedding lives” as some term it when “undesirable” customers are lost through various means, including raising premiums and co-pays and decreasing benefits (Britt, “Health insurers getting bigger cut of medical dollars,” 15 October 2004, investors.com). That same Investors Business Daily article from 2004 noted the example of Anthem, another insurance company. They said the top five executives (not just the CEO) received an average of an 817 percent increase in compensation between 2000 and 2003. The CEO, for example, had his compensation go from $2.5 million to $25 million during that time period. About $21 million of that was in stock payouts, the article noted.



A 2006 article, “U.S. Health Insurance: More Market Domination, More CEO Compensation”

(hcrenewal.blogspot.com) notes that in 56 percent of 294 metropolitan areas one insurer “controls more than half the business in health maintenance organization and preferred provider networks underwriting." In addition to having the most enrollees, they also are the biggest purchasers of health care and set the price and coverage terms. “’The results is double-digit premium increases from 2001 and 2004—peaking with a 13.9 percent jump in 2003—soaring well above inflation and wages increases.’" Where is all that money going? The article quotes a Wall Street Journal article looking at the compensation of the CEO of UnitedHealth Group. His salary and bonus is $8 million annually. He has benefits such as the use of a private jet. He has stock-option fortunes worth $1.6 billion."

--Save America, Save the World by Cassandra Nathan pp. 127-128



The government appears totally impotent in dealing with these abuses (part of the article):

"While growing into a colossus, UnitedHealth has repeatedly failed to perform its basic job of paying medical bills. UnitedHealth, which covers 70 million Americans, has been sanctioned in nine states for paying claims slowly; shortchanging doctors, hospitals, or patients; or poorly handling complaints and appeals.

One Nebraska woman complained to state regulators that UnitedHealth's computers had incorrectly rejected claims related to her son's surgery six times.

At one point, UnitedHealth owed Dr. George Schroedinger, an orthopedic surgeon, $600,000. He and his clinic sued UnitedHealth of the Midwest in 2004.

Deciding for the clinic, U.S. District Judge Stephen Limbaugh of Missouri declared that the company's claims processing systems were "flawed in many ways, denying, reducing, and improperly processing claims on a regular basis. And despite innumerable requests, United was unwilling to remedy the underlying errors in its systems" (Star-Tribune Dec. 12, 2007).

Payment troubles continued after the verdict, and Dr. Schroedinger filed a second lawsuit. "These people can never get it right, which says to me that they just plain lie," he said in an interview.

Failure to pay isn't the only complaint. The insurer also gives incorrect information on which physicians are in its network, creating enormous problems for physicians' staff.

The AMA said that no other insurer has prompted as many complaints as UnitedHealth about abusive and unfair payment practices. AMA officials have met with UnitedHealth executives 16 times since 2000, with little to show for it.

"They have always got a new plan to fix it," said Dr. William G. Plested III, past president of the AMA. But "nothing ever happens."

It seems to us that this case is just the tip of the insurance iceberg. More and more stories are appearing daily in the news media about how insurance company are instructing employees their jobs are to deny claims and/or delay payments.

With such a high percentage of medical premiums and other costs going to the legal profession, to maintain compliance with endless government rules/regulations and being hoarded by the insurance companies and executives — is it any wonder medical costs are increasing so dramatically?

It's time to take a closer look at the medical insurance companies.

UnitedHealth Group is not the first medical insurance company to rob patients, hospitals and clinics to pay obscene salaries to their executives.

It's a modern day robbing patients to pay pimps.

Michael Arnold Glueck, M.D., comments on medical-legal issues and is a visiting fellow in economics and citizenship at the International Trade Education Foundation of the Washington International Trade Council.

Robert J. Cihak, M.D., is a senior fellow and board member of the Discovery Institute and a past president of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons.

http://www.newsmax.com/medicine_men/medical_insurance/2008/01/03/61543.html



Therefore ALL plans which "rely" on private insurance WITHOUT correcting abuses will FAIL to do what any sane person wants. A sane person is NOT hooked on the delivery mechanism, but wants:

Quality, Affordable, Accessible care for all.



That means we have to go with what WORKS and what DOES work is the free market which we have only POCKETS of in the States:

Read:

http://www.azcentral.com/community/gilbe...

A doctor owned and run hospital that sees everyone gets care, no matter what happens to the bottom line.



http://www.simplecare.com/ a doctor-driven group where reasonable rates are charged.



Note you can go to a walk-in clinic at Wal-Mart or CVS or the like in many cities and get many of the most typical reasons for seeing a doc addressed for under $100.



For those who want UHC, you have been sold a bill of goods--it's BS--it's RATIONED care (YOU die because you're not worth keeping alive) and it BANKRUPTS people. Some FACTS:



From a Canadian doctor now living in the US:

"...Another sign of transformation: Canadian doctors, long silent on the health-care system’s problems, are starting to speak up. Last August, they voted Brian Day president of their national association. A former socialist who counts Fidel Castro as a personal acquaintance, Day has nevertheless become perhaps the most vocal critic of Canadian public health care, having opened his own private surgery center as a remedy for long waiting lists and then challenged the government to shut him down. “This is a country in which dogs can get a hip replacement in under a week,” he fumed to the New York Times, “and in which humans can wait two to three years.”



And now even Canadian governments are looking to the private sector to shrink the waiting lists. Day’s clinic, for instance, handles workers’-compensation cases for employees of both public and private corporations. In British Columbia, private clinics perform roughly 80 percent of government-funded diagnostic testing. In Ontario, where fealty to socialized medicine has always been strong, the government recently hired a private firm to staff a rural hospital’s emergency room.



This privatizing trend is reaching Europe, too. Britain’s government-run health care dates back to the 1940s. Yet the Labour Party—which originally created the National Health Service and used to bristle at the suggestion of private medicine, dismissing it as “Americanization”—now openly favors privatization. Sir William Wells, a senior British health official, recently said: “The big trouble with a state monopoly is that it builds in massive inefficiencies and inward-looking culture.” Last year, the private sector provided about 5 percent of Britain’s nonemergency procedures; Labour aims to triple that percentage by 2008. The Labour government also works to voucherize certain surgeries, offering patients a choice of four providers, at least one private. And in a recent move, the government will contract out some primary care services, perhaps to American firms such as UnitedHealth Group and Kaiser Permanente.



Sweden’s government, after the completion of the latest round of privatizations, will be contracting out some 80 percent of Stockholm’s primary care and 40 percent of its total health services, including one of the city’s largest hospitals. Since the fall of Communism, Slovakia has looked to liberalize its state-run system, introducing co-payments and privatizations. And modest market reforms have begun in Germany: increasing co-pays, enhancing insurance competition, and turning state enterprises over to the private sector (within a decade, only a minority of German hospitals will remain under state control). It’s important to note that change in these countries is slow and gradual—market reforms remain controversial. But if the United States was once the exception for viewing a vibrant private sector in health care as essential, it is so no longer."

http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html



The NHS, the oldest system, is in Britain:

"“Staff are being laid off, and deficits are at an all time high (£1.07bn for 2005-2006)” (Hazel Blears, Labour Party Chair and Minister Without Portfolio, labourachievements.blogspot.com/2006/08/23-investment-in-nhs.html).

In the National Review Online article, Coburn & Herzlinger state “more than 20,000 Brits would not have died from cancer in the U.S.” Just recently Alex Smallwood of the BMA (British Medical Association) was quoted in the Scotsman as saying: “’Rationing is reduction in choice. Rationing has become a necessary evil. We need to formalise rationing to prevent an unregulated, widening, postcode-lottery of care. Government no longer has a choice.’” (Moss, “NHS rationing is ‘necessary evil,’ says doctors,” 26 June 2007).



I can go on with respectable sources, such as the OWN governments. Let's do France as people have been LIED to about how wonderful that system is--if you need PRIVATE HEALTH insurance to be provided by employers 80% of the time, CLEARLY the government system is NOT so hot:

The much lauded French system raises some questions as well. From their Embassy site (ambafrance-us.org) they state that 96 percent of the population receives free or 100 percent reimbursed health care. They state the system is part of their Social Security and is funded from worker’s salaries (60 percent), “indirect taxes on alcohol and tobacco and by direct contribution paid by all revenue proportional to income, including retirement pensions and capital revenues.” They state that it appears that health insurance pays less to its doctors in France than in other European countries, but that 80 percent of the public have supplemental health insurance, typically from their employers. If they’re providing so well for the needs of the public, why is there a need for “supplemental” health insurance for the majority of the public and what about the additional cost that imposes? The site states that the poorest have free universal health care, funded by taxes. Long-term illness sufferers are to be reimbursed for their treatments. They do have private clinics, as well as public hospitals, and not-for-profit healthcare. In fact, “private medical care in France is particularly active in treating more than 50% of surgeries and more than 60% of cancer cases.”



Private insurance, which the OECD (Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development) site said in a 2004 report, was held by 92 percent of the French, helps to cover both vision and dental care which are not well covered under the government system. “The public system is facing chronic deficits and recent cost containment policies have not proved very successful.” The government is interested in having more of the tab picked up by private insurance (Buchmueller & Couffinhall, “Private Health Insurance in France,” 2004, oecd.org).



And, in the US, what the libs point to as the great program is the closest thing to UHC we have--Medicare. Unfortunately, it makes MY case that UHC does NOT work. Again, FACTS:

In the US, Medicare is going bankrupt. In 1998, Medicare premiums were $43.80 and in 2008 will be $96.40--up 120%. "Medigap" insurance is common because of the 20% co-pay required for service. Medicare HMOs are common because they reduce that burden without an extra charge in many cases. HOWEVER, many procedures which used to have no or a low co-pay NOW cost the full 20% for the HMO Medicare patient. ALSO the prescription coverage they tended to offer has been REDUCED in many cases to conform to the insane "donut hole" coverage of the feds. Doctors are leaving Medicare because of the low and slow pay AND because the crazy government wants to "balance" their Ponzi scheme on the backs of doctors.

"That dark cloud lurking over the shoulder of every Massachusetts physician is Medicare. If Congress does not act, doctors' payments from Medicare will be cut by about 5 percent annually, beginning next year through 2012, creating a financial hailstorm that would wreak havoc with already strained practices.



Cumulatively, the proposed cuts represent a 31 percent reduction in Medicare reimbursement. If the cuts are adjusted for practice-cost inflation, the American Medical Association says Medicare payment rates to physicians in 2013 would be less than half of what they were in 1991."

http://www.massmed.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=vs_mar05_top&TEMPLATE=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&CONTENTID=11037



And when you turn it all over to the tender mercies of the government in the US you do get rationed care. Again more FACTS:

Oregon's at least honest about the FACT that ALL government health care IS RATIONED care:

"But the real-life story of 18-year-old Brandy Stroeder may come to embody a harsher truth: namely, that even as we perfect more and more advanced medical procedures, not everyone is going to have access to them. And, as Americans struggle to come up with an equitable health care system, that even the best-intentioned system can seem heartless when forced to balance the good of thousands against an individual's suffering.



The story began last fall when doctors told Brandy, who lives with her single mother in a weather-beaten farmhouse about an hour south of Portland, Ore., that she was likely to die within a year unless she got a simultaneous lung-liver transplant, an operation that has been performed fewer than a dozen times in the United States.



Under Oregon's unique Medicaid system, which openly rations healthcare in order to provide basic care to as broad a population as possible, Brandy was eligible for a liver transplant or a lung transplant, but not both. In January, and again after a review in May, the state-run health plan said no. There wasn't enough data to show the $250,000 procedure was worthwhile, the health plan's administrators said, and the plan didn't cover experiments.



But Brandy wouldn't take no for an answer. A tough, determined young woman who had managed to work part-time at a photo studio, baby-sit her boss's children, coach the high school football team and maintain a 3.2 grade point average between numerous and prolonged bouts in the hospital, Brandy wasn't about to give up her life without a fight. She sued the state of Oregon, charging that it was making a flawed moral choice in refusing to save her life. Since then her caustic, articulate criticisms of the Oregon system have given a vivid sense of the obstacles any universal healthcare plan for the nation would face.



"They'll pay for an alcoholic to get a liver transplant because they've been drinking all their life," she says, sitting with her mother at a rickety picnic table under a cherry tree by her front door. "They'll pay for a heroin addict to get cured, to help someone kick the cigarette habit. Those are things people do to themselves. If you put it to a vote the people would say pay for some girl's operation instead of some alcoholic's liver transplant or some crack head's needles. I just think it isn't very fair.'"

http://archive.salon.com/health/feature/2000/07/07/brandy/



Texas has also been the boldest in supporting the growing-in-popularity "futile care theory":

"Texas, however, has become ground zero for futile-care theory thanks to a draconian state law passed in 1999 — of dubious constitutionality, some believe — that explicitly permits a hospital ethics committee to refuse wanted life-sustaining care. Under the Texas Health and Safety Code, if the physician disagrees with a patient's decision to receive treatment, he or she can take it to the hospital ethics committee. A committee hearing is then scheduled, all interested parties explain their positions, and the members deliberate in private.



If the committee decides to refuse treatment, the patient and family receive a written notice. At that point, the patient/family has a mere ten days to find another hospital willing to provide the care, after which, according to the statute, "the physician and health care facility are not obligated to provide life-sustaining treatment."



Since the patients threatened with death by ethics committee are often the most expensive to care for, it will often be difficult for families to find other institutions willing to accept a transfer. But the futility deck may be especially stacked against Houston patients. Many city hospitals participate in the "Houston City-Wide Guidelines on Medical Futility," raising the suspicion that participating hospitals will not contradict each other's futility decrees.



If so, this would mean that patients seeking refuge from forced treatment termination will have to be transported to distant cities, as has already occurred in a few futile-care cases, perhaps even out of state. Illustrating the level of hardball some hospitals play against patients and families, the Clarke family's lawyer Jerri Ward told me that St. Luke's agreed to pay the $14,806 transportation costs to transfer Clarke to a hospital in Illinois — more than 1,000 miles away — if the decision to transfer is made on Thursday (4/27). If the family doesn't decide until Friday, the hospital will pay only one-half of the cost of transportation. Thereafter, it would pay nothing."

http://www.nationalreview.com/smithw/smith200604271406.asp



So, clearly UHC does NOT work, never has worked, and cannot work. Fortunately, a real system that does work CAN be created by reforming abuses and that's discussed in this book which provides a revamping of government health care programs that now exist to also allow ANYONE to get catastrophic care coverage WITH preventative medicine measures included:

http://www.booklocker.com/books/3068.html

Read the PDF, not the blurb, for the bulk of the plan. Book is searchable on Amazon.com

Cassandra Nathan's Save America, Save the World


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