Question:
There's no correlation between immigration and crime, so why do Cons think it'll make the U.S. safer?
AZ Bacon Product
2013-01-28 16:42:35 UTC
by making it harder for immigrants to come here and deporting all the Mexicans but not adding any sensible gun laws?

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1717575,00.html
Immigration: No Correlation With Crime

Despite our melting-pot roots, Americans have often been quick to blame the influx of immigrants for rising crime rates. But new research released Monday shows that immigrants in California are, in fact, far less likely than U.S.-born Californians are to commit crime.

The new report even bolsters claims by some academics that increased immigration makes the United States safer. A second study, released earlier this month by Washington-based nonprofit Immigration Policy Center, found that on the national level, U.S.-born men ages 18-39 are five times more likely to be incarcerated than are their foreign-born peers.
Eight answers:
2013-01-28 16:51:59 UTC
Beagle, did you READ your iink?



"Arizona’s falling crime rates, together with a century’s worth of evidence indicating that immigrants are less likely to commit serious crimes than the native-born, cast serious doubt on the claims of some SB 1070 supporters that the law is in any way a useful crime-fighting tool."



But I know what the right-wing wackos will say:



1) It is all false information by the left-wing media.

2) I have heard of illegal immigrants committing crimes, so I don't believe statistics to the contrary.

3) They are committing crimes just by being here unlawfully.

4) Liberals are stupid for believing government statistics.

5) Illegals are taking all the agricultural and janitorial jobs desired by real Americans.



ADD: justget, did YOU read Beagle's link? ". . . the latest crime statistics released by the FBI confirm what previous data had already indicated: that Arizona is in the midst of a years-long decline in violent crime that pre-dates SB 1070, despite the growing number of UNAUTHORIZED immigrants in the state during those same years."
justgetitright
2013-01-29 01:00:12 UTC
You are trying to use immigration as a platform to state that there is no correlation between *normal* immigration and crime.



How about looking at the correlation of illegal immigration and crime? Do you see any correlation there? I see 100% correlation since it is a crime to enter the country illegally. Every damn one of those that come into this country illegally have committed a crime.



Respecting and enforcing laws is not being racist and wanting to preserve our constitutional rights is something that every citizen in this country would want to happen.



Would you be in favor of eliminating the first 10 amendments so that there were no Bill of Rights?

Not one of those are remotely safe without the 2nd amendment being in place.



Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force.

Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.



In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.



When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.



The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunken guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.



There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.



People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.



Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.



People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.



The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.



When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced only persuaded. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.



So the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced.



@Edit

Great name, you are admitting that either your mother or father is a pig or had sex with a pig. Somehow I have no doubts that liberals would think that would be ok. Maybe you just want to suck on Obama's sausage.
Thought Control
2013-01-29 00:48:33 UTC
Illegal immigration is a crime. There's a correlation for you. Now look up Mexico's immigration policy....
YesThisIsDog
2013-01-29 00:44:15 UTC
Really? This information is from the FBI and begs to differ....



http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/new-fbi-data-confirms-falling-crime-rates-arizona
2013-01-29 00:45:02 UTC
Go to any major city, seek out MS13, from El Salvador.

I'm sure that they will give you the answer that you are looking for.
2013-01-29 00:45:31 UTC
Come live in my area for a little while and you'll be educated the hard way(ie. via a racially motivated bashing or rape) to learn...
longpause
2013-01-29 00:43:44 UTC
It's an age old republican tradition to be against minorities. Making them seem like criminals is a way to scare people into voting for them so they can implement their ridiculous policies.
2013-01-29 00:46:52 UTC
liberals live with their head in the clouds, in the sand and up their ***, all at the same time......


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