Question:
Why do liberals think that Bush is 100% at fault for the economic meltdown when he was a lame duck in 2006?
2010-07-22 12:34:46 UTC
I guess liberals don't know what lame duck means. Perhaps they ignored the 2006 elections when Nancy Pelosi took over the house and Harry Reid took over the Senate. I guess they don't realize that Bush can write no legislation of his own, that he doesn't hold the purse strings... congress does.
29 answers:
Friend
2010-07-22 12:47:39 UTC
FL Swamp Wrote...

"Debt added during George W. Bush's eight years: $5.5 trillion.

Debt added to-date Barack Obama: $1.8 - $2.4 trillion (mixed numbers)."



Obama 2 years = $2 Trillion

Bush 8 years = $5.5 Trillion



Lets do the math huh?

Obama 8 Years = $8 Trillion

Bush 8 Years = $5.5 Trillion



Considering we are getting ready to do a Healthcare reform, increase welfare and increase umemployment, the numbers will be drastically higher. Bush with his $5.5 funded a war, helped Katrina victims, etc. Has Obama done anything involving anyone but low class smucks and the "needy". Yes, but not nearly as much.



Bush did a good job for the most part. Inflation is the problem, not Bush. The World has a problem with balancing their books, not just us. They dont balance, stuff cost more, we pay more, then is just rolls downhill from there.



I'd say atleast 75% of the Liberals get their info fro MSNBC, the internet and false sources. Read a economy book, use your brain... dont form an an opinion or "fact" after watching a TV show or reading a blog.
Rusty Shackleford
2010-07-22 18:09:20 UTC
I wouldn't quite say he was a lame duck in 2006, he still had half a term left.



I will say bush might have had a part in it, but he is not even close to being 100% at fault



I bet if he did a great job and all that, the liberals would say "bush had nothing to do with it, nancy pelosi AND Harry Reid are BOTH democrats"





Bush might not have been the best president ever, but he certainly isn't the worst



I'd say top half
Cathy-sue
2016-04-17 19:44:34 UTC
Let's go back to early 2008 when Obama said during his campaign he intended to raise the capital gains tax. This was at a time when stock were doing well. People were seeing gains in value. You only get that value when you sell though. Now move up to the point where it becomes apparent that Obama will get the nomination. Now we see stock holders expecting an increase in the capital gains tax after Obama takes office have just a little time to take a profit and pay a tax at the current capitals gains rate. Some of these people were in a long time and had a large profit to get. So now they sell and this starts a downward spiral in the market. Now everybody is losing money. Jobs are lost. Homes are lost. Now the market is up a little but the growth possibility is poor. It will be years before the market shows gains like before June 2008. The same people who sold at high profit can now get back in at rock bottom prices for some of the same stocks. Right now if you gain a 15% profit you are even when you pay capital gains taxes. If you earn 15% profit when Obama raises it to 30% you will lose 15%. Obama is only holding off on raising capital gains until the economy picks up. Where will the capital to create the now needed new jobs com from. It will not likely be from stocks.
Rob
2010-07-22 12:43:28 UTC
Technically the term lame duck only refers to a president or other politician in the time period between the election and the transfer of power whether or not the person is running in the election. Thus Bush wasn't a lame duck until November 2008. As for blame, there's plenty to go around- especially the bankers who knew this stuff could collapse like a house of cards and kept making loans they shouldn't have been making.
Hector Frodo
2010-07-22 12:43:38 UTC
By your standard, President Obama is not responsible for anything after this Christmas.



Intelligent people know where these problems came from and aren't concerned with partisan defenses.



Bush was an idiot and caused the current recession. FACT.
Charles Veidt
2010-07-22 12:44:46 UTC
Perhaps you don't know what lame duck means.



It's irrelevant that he couldn't be elected again - throughout his second term, he held full presidential authority as head of the executive branch. His decisions still set the course of the country.
Tyler
2010-07-22 12:46:53 UTC
I wanna remind you of the 7 worst things Bush did, I don't know why you wanna defend him so badly...



7. Bush politicized parts of the government that should be nonpartisan. From NASA to the Justice Department, professionals were forced out or silenced if they departed from the true Republican way. What was good for the Republican Party trumped what was good policy for the nation. Every administration is political to some extent, but the Bush administration took it too far. When Paul O'Neill was forced out at Treasury, it was clear that every major decision would be determined by Karl Rove's calculus.



6. Bush squandered the budget surplus. Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, Bush had a near-religious faith in the ability of tax cuts to deliver prosperity. Tax cuts were the panacea that would cure all ills. Economy too strong? Cut taxes. Economy too weak? Cut taxes. Stock market falling? Cut dividend taxes. Investment weak? Cut capital gains taxes. But tax cuts didn't make the economy stronger; they merely blew a big hole in the budget. Now, when we could really use that surplus to pay for the bailouts and the stimulus, it's gone.



5. Bush comforted the comfortable and afflicted the afflicted. The Bush years were the ultimate test of trickle-down economics, the theory that says the government should favor the rich because the benefits will flow down to the rest of us. The results of that experiment are clear: We've had the weakest job growth since the 1930s. We've had the biggest increase in debt ever. We've had the highest share of national income going to profits since the 1920s. Income inequality has soared while our public and private investment has slowed to a trickle. Instead of building a fundamentally sound economy, Bush nurtured a Ponzi economy based on get-rich-quick schemes.



4. Bush rewarded incompetence. Because politics and personal loyalty were all that counted, Bush appointed incompetent people to vital jobs. He hired interns to run Iraq. He hired a horse expert to run the Federal Emergency Management Agency. He wanted to hire Harriett Miers to be a Supreme Court justice. Top jobs were reserved for sycophants, toadies and failures.



3. Bush lied us into war. Every argument for war against Iraq was a delusion, and hundreds of thousands of lives have been lost as a result. Saddam Hussein was not responsible for 9/11 in any way. He was not a danger to the United States. The Bush administration ignored or dismissed mountains of evidence that showed that Saddam was not building an arsenal of chemical or nuclear weapons. Bush rushed to war without giving diplomacy or weapons inspectors a chance. Later, administration officials blew the cover of a CIA employee whose husband told the truth, and then lied about their involvement.



2. Bush has exposed himself to war crime charges. By his own admission, Bush authorized interrogation practices that are illegal under U.S. and international law. His administration at best looked the other way and at worst ordered prisoners at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib to be tortured. Not only is torture an immoral and heinous crime against humanity, it is ineffective in the fight against terrorism. Nothing has given Osama bin Laden more support than Bush's immorality. And our nation's reputation has been tarnished, possibly forever.



1. Bush weakened our democracy. Bush has embraced a theory of dictatorship. Bush, under Vice President Dick Cheney's guidance, encouraged an imperial presidency answerable to no one. Working with a complacent Congress, Bush gutted the constitutional checks and balances that are supposed to keep any part of the government from growing too powerful or too corrupt. In the name of an endless war against an amorphous enemy, he canceled our most fundamental rights of habeas corpus and the right to be free from unreasonable government spying.



One final note: Bush had the opportunity to be a great president. After 9/11, the nation was as united as it had been since Pearl Harbor, and Bush rode a wave of popularity that he could have used to turn around the nation's politics, security and economy.



Instead of uniting us as he promised, he divided us instead.
2010-07-22 12:40:56 UTC
President Bush started a war with Iraq, without funding it. Instead, he cut taxes, and borrowed billions from our "friends" in China. That's where our economic problems started. That is what I focus on.
2010-07-22 12:40:58 UTC
I have never said that.

But "lame duck" means you aren't getting any bills passed - Bush still got EVERY DARNED THING HE ASKED FOR handed to him on a silver platter from 2006 on, and Democrats only got to pass ONE BILL because of Republican blockades - the Farm Bill, and that only because it benefited rural States.
2010-07-22 12:39:46 UTC
I don`t, it started with Republican Reagan lowering tariffs back when Wal-Mart had their made in the USA slogan. It takes years for outsourcing to catch up with us. And Clinton did not help signing the Republican written NAFTA bill.
JOE
2010-07-22 12:37:31 UTC
If you sit in the big chair and things go bad you get the blame just like the President is now getting the blame for things he had no part in, comes with the job.
John S
2010-07-22 12:38:38 UTC
He pushed an "ownership society," claiming that every American is entitled to own a home. A lassiez-faire attitude led to the Great Recession.
2010-07-22 12:37:19 UTC
Well I blame the Conservative ethos that stopped regulations and encouraged home ownership regardless of income.



President's are judged by how well they Shepherd the country and between Iraq, Katrina, and the Economic Collapse Bush looked pretty bad at it.



You can be act like it wasn't his fault, but the country went to hell on hiw watch after 8 years of peace and prosperity and that's why we blame him.
2010-07-22 12:36:54 UTC
"Lame duck" with 100% of the power. Congress was so even across the aisle that they couldn't get anything done.
MtotheR MIGHTY RA!
2010-07-22 12:42:11 UTC
Because of the facts mainly
?
2010-07-22 12:37:36 UTC
Liberals know much than you do.



How many days do you have to come here and get educated, are you that deep into denial?
2010-07-22 12:40:43 UTC
<><><> "Obama's trillions dwarf Bush's 'dangerous' spending"<><><><>

By: Byron York

Chief Political Correspondent



"Now, under Obama, the national debt — and the interest payments — will increase at a far faster rate than during the Bush years."



http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Obamas-trillions-dwarf-Bushs-dangerous-spending.html#ixzz0uRSgKQLv
2010-07-22 12:36:00 UTC
Debt added during George W. Bush's eight years: $5.5 trillion.



Debt added to-date Barack Obama: $1.8 - $2.4 trillion (mixed numbers).



Portion of the $10.5 trillion added to the national debt during the past 32 years that came during Republican presidencies: $8.7 trillion.



Percentage of that $8.7 trillion added during George W. Bush's two terms: 63%.



2 Wars, Medicare D = UNFUNDED = Off The Books



2 Financial Recessions/Meltdowns



Morgan Stanley, AIG, GM, Goldman Sachs, Health Care cost explosion

BP/Gulf Oil Crisis – lack of regulation/oversight



GOP Congress 1994-2006

Bush POTUS 2000-2008



George W. Bush did NOT veto 1 single piece of SPENDING legislation in 8 years –

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3036



ALWAYS VOTE SMART, NOT BLINDLY…
?
2010-07-22 12:41:55 UTC
Bush usered in obama this is a one party gang
Bug
2010-07-22 12:36:51 UTC
Except for that thing called the "veto pen", which he conveniently lost until the Democrats took over.



Coincidence?
Polly
2010-07-22 12:42:16 UTC
They just can't stand it that they can't bash bush every day!! o they keep their hate alive by trying (unsuccessfully) at blaming bush 20 months later.



Obama is a pansy assssed--wimp who can only blame bush or apologise for being so inept!
garyb1616
2010-07-22 12:36:58 UTC
They refuse that Fannie Mae and Fannie Mac's collapse is the main culprit....



Remeber this quote "There is no problem at Fannie Mae" Barney Frank...D
2010-07-22 12:36:59 UTC
Because they ignore the facts. Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac were not touched by the financial reform bill, and they caused the crisis!
Love.Canada
2010-07-22 12:36:48 UTC
So then you could argue that Obama has nothing to do with it either ???
2010-07-22 12:37:29 UTC
Because he is:



How Bush’s Fiscal Mismanagement Produced a Recession

By Scott Horton



"In the current issue of Hamburg’s highly respected weekly Die Zeit, economics editor Fabian Lindner takes a look at an important study of the U.S. economic downturn done by Kenneth Rogoff, the International Monetary Fund’s former chief economist who now teaches at Harvard, and Carmen Reinhardt, a well known capital markets expert at the University of Maryland. The Rogoff-Reinhardt study says that what’s happening in the United States right now has been predictable for some time and that the country is facing the real prospect of a long and severe recession, all the result of profligate fiscal practices and a failure to properly police the capital markets. Here’s the essence of the Zeit piece [my transl.] summarizing the Rogoff-Reinhardt study:

Rogoff and Reinhardt demonstrate the pattern behind the emerging economic crisis. The two scientists reach their conclusions on the basis of a study of 18 financial and banking crises in developed countries. They concluded that a crisis caused an average drop in the per-capita economic growth of two per cent. Countries took roughly two years to recover. Among the particularly hard-hit nations they studied were Spain in the late seventies, Norway in the late eighties and Finland, Sweden and Japan in the early nineties. In these states economic growth fell as much as five per cent, and recovery could not even be achieved within three years.



And this worst case scenario is what Rogoff and Reinhardt are projecting for the United States over the coming years.

The course followed by each of these crises was the same: Houses and stock prices rose strongly on the back of both private and public debt and driven in part by the presence and participation of foreign investors, creating high current account deficits. If asset prices fall suddenly, then sooner or later, a collapse in growth followed. In the case of the USA in particular, the rise in housing prices and the current accounts deficit are more pronounced than in previous crises, which does not bode well. Still, until recently stock prices held strong. But Rogoff and Reinhart believe that this has more to do with the Fed’s frequent interventions injecting liquidity into the market to maintain artificially high values. This won’t work any longer. Last week, for instance, the S&P 500 index fell by 5.4%.



What has brought this crisis about? On this point the two economists also see parallels with the past. Rogoff and Reinhart stress that of liberalization of financial markets preceded most of the crises they foresaw. There was no legal liberalization in the United States over the last years, but there was liberalization in practice. One has only to think of the many new financial products with nicknames that sound like robots from the “Star Wars” series to understand the considerable problems now facing the financial community. Especially new and unregulated devices, such as the so-called “Special Investment Vehicles” (SIV).

Just how bad will the downturn in the U.S. economy be? Will the country face a loss in growth closer to two or more in the range of five per cent? At the moment this can’t be forecast. But history tells us that it will not be easily avoided by cute fixes.



But the cute fix is just what President Bush has in mind. He wants to mail out checks to a large stratum of the economy in a move designed to bolster consumer spending. Economists are anything but agreed that it will serve this end. Much more likely, it will simply magnify the already devastating treasury deficit, which is a key part of the current problem.

Bush doesn’t really intend to do anything to avoid the recession. He is aiming to push it back a few months in an effort to create the public impression that the recession will be the responsibility of his successor. And how are the Democrats responding to this brazen effort to saddle them with accountability for the mess that Bush made?



It’s hard to find meaningful analytical discussion in America’s mainstream media. How could it hope to compete with the latest Paris Hilton story, or some flub-up by an exhausted presidential candidate out on the hustings? Viewers and readers don’t want to be worried by it, they reason. They’re wrong, of course. The level of anxiety and concern among the public is high, as is concern and coverage in the quality press around the world. The curious standout is the mainstream media in the United States.



However, the Washington Post’s Dan Froomkin serves up an excellent piece yesterday putting the questions in the perspective of social justice:

Democrats and Republicans agreed last week that this would be a good time for the government to give away vast sums of money. And yet the Democratic leadership is considering it a victory that some small portion of the money will actually go to people who need it. The vast majority will go to the middle and upper-middle class. What did Bush give up in the course of these tough negotiations? Well, originally he wanted the super-wealthy to get some of the money. He wanted the poor to get nothing. He also wanted his tax cuts, which heavily favor the rich, to be made permanent. That is what we call a compromise in this day and age.



Because social justice is essentially off the political radar in the Bush era — and because both parties are prone to pandering to the middle class during an election year — Democrats never even tried to get White House agreement on a stimulus package that would significantly help the needy. An option that could have had a hugely positive social impact, while effectively stimulating the economy, never had a chance.



The Washington press corps didn’t seriously consider what $150 billion might have meant to people living in the margins of our society. The closest thing I could find to a serious treatment of that question was in South Dakota. Kevin Woster writes in the Rapid City Journal: “Mari King, a 25-year-old pregnant mother of two, who relies on food stamps and income-based housing, didn’t qualify for the tax rebate of up to $800 per qualifying individual that was initially proposed by President Bush. And it was unclear Thursday whether she would be covered by an expanded assistance plan being negotiated by congressional leaders to give smaller checks, possibly about $300, to virtually anyone who earns a paycheck.



“As an asthmatic with other health issues who is currently out of work, King relies on government assistance to get by. She said she and her children have daily financial needs that could be helped by a few hundred dollars. “‘It would do a lot,’ she said as she selected free food items at the food pantry on North Maple Ave. in Rapid City. ‘There are things I’d like to buy for my kids that I can’t buy. I could do some thing for them that I can’t do now.’ . . . “King hopes she isn’t forgotten in the negotiations. So does her mother, Bridget Defender, who now lives on disability payments and other assistance, including food from the food pantry. Defender hopes federal officials won’t overlook her as they develop the financial-stimulus package.



I get a little nauseous whenever people start talking about using the budgetary process as a means of addressing social inequality and find it difficult to muster sympathy for this approach. The better approach for the country is fiscal reserve–the very simple rules that every household follows, not spending more than it takes in, and borrowing only for prudent and carefully planned purposes. The classic example of bad borrowing would be to place a bet on a 20 to 1 chance at a horserace. And this is exactly what the Bush Administration has done almost from the minute it took office.

But we need to keep in sharp focus that the last seven years have been a dramatic exercise in social welfare budget making–they have seen a massive reallocation of wealth from the middle class to the wealthiest fraction of one per cent of the population. This was the foreseeable consequence of the Bush Administration’s tax policies which granted enormous relief to the true plutocrats at the cost of incurring tremendous debt that future generations will have address. This process need to be reversed and basic norms of fairness need to be brought into play as the country copes with its fiscal dilemmas.



One of the idiocies I see trotted out every day in the financial industry’s press is the suggestion that Adam Smith and other great thinkers of the Scottish Enlightenment–who furnished the basic framework for our current understanding of industrial and post-industrial economics–had limitless faith in entrepreneurs. It is true that they had confidence in the entrepreneurial spirit as a creative engine. But their Calvinist inclinations were anything but unstinting in praise of entrepreneurs as individuals or as a class. Smith notes that the individual businessman will always seek the expansion of his own wealth and power at the cost of others and of society as a whole. So Smith would have fully anticipated, and deplored, the consequences of seven years of Bush’s government of by and for the plutocrats. Socialistic experimentation is not the answer for this. But a sound concept of social fairness in the allocation of the burdens of society certainly is. Government should not unduly burden the entrepreneurial class. But neither should it become a vehicle for transfer of wealth to those who already have the most, while leaving a heavy debt to be borne by those who follow in their wake.



http://www.harpers.org/archive/2008/01/hbc-90002247
Tommy
2010-07-22 12:37:07 UTC
The leftist Liberals have 3 things that they lay out.....".racist", "It's Bush's fault", and "dumb"
2010-07-22 12:38:30 UTC
We call it mental disease where I am at.
2010-07-22 12:36:31 UTC
Most Liberals do not realize this - they have caused the meltdown and now they are prolonging it.
Mr. Wolf
2010-07-22 12:36:25 UTC
I don't.


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