Question:
Will Bush's legacy include torture?
anonymous
2007-07-12 04:43:31 UTC
Bush's legacy - our legacy that is - will be one of a nation that condones torture. Gen. Petraeus says our torture techniques are about as bad as a college hazing. So why do it?

Anyone who has studied this matter at all knows that torture doesn't work anyway - especially when our victims don't know the information we seek. Our victims will just keep making up lies to buy a little time. They rightly believe we will kill them anyway, so why should they talk?
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telwidit
2007-07-12 04:51:37 UTC
This disgusting matter will be discussed for years in the future; how the United States condoned torture.

Illegal wire tapping and recording telephone conversations will be another issue.

Illegal detention.

George W. Bush is and will be remembered as the worst president ever in the United States. The sad part is that he is still supported by the crazies in the Right wing of the Republican Party.

thanks
anonymous
2007-07-12 05:51:35 UTC
Of course torture doesn't work, unless you are recruiting for your enemy. Every 16 year old Iraqi girl raped, every old woman whom is being touched in a familiar way by males not in her family, every non-militant student hauled away in the middle of the night only adds to the outrage felt by scores of young men, emasculated by what they see as an invasion and an occupation, and seething with resentment and a thirst for vengeance.



You make a couple valid points. If the "torture" is "like college hazing", some college hazing can get pretty brutal, haven't most US Colleges and Universities denounced and demanded the disconinuation of practice known as "Hazing", as the practice has led to the deaths of several dozens of students across the country? Are we not now closing down Fraternities and Sororities, their National Charters revoked for continuing to "Haze" initiates?



And how does that make America look to the rest of the world? To those of you who say, "Who cares?", well, I do and you should, unless you want several dozen nations all coming after us at the same time. Torture has always been considered illegal in the US under any circumstances, mostly as a way of ensuring similar treatment will not happen to OUR POWs. Brutality only encourages even more brutal behavior in response.



We're Americans, dammit, and Americans don't believe in torturing anyone, for any reason. Shooting them, that's a different story. Using fear of death to make a prisoner talk I have absolutely no problem with. Mess with his mind all you want, but no DRUGS, no sleep or sense deprivation, no crap in his food (of any kind), no using his or her religious beliefs against him, no degradation. Try showing the world we are better than that, that the US doesnt believe in and will not use torture, because, as you said, it's a completely unreliable interrogation tool. You cause someone enough pain, he or she will admit to being a three toed sloth. Everyone can be broken, just as everyone can be killed. It's a matter of time and convenience.
anonymous
2007-07-12 04:58:03 UTC
Well what some people are calling 'torture' are usually interrogation techniques specifically targeted at the person being interrorgated.



Muslims have a huge fear of homosexuality, so stacking a bunch of naked prisoners into a pyramid is an extremely humiliating thing for them - and thus an effective technique. Similarly panties on the head or other degrading tactics can also be effective.



Playing loud music or something like the band 'Happy Flowers' can also have the effect of lowering a person's will to resist interrogation. Sleep depravation and being placed in a cold room for a length of time will do the same.



These are the things that wimp lefties call 'torture'. People will probably look back at these techniques and laugh at how pathetic it was that they tried to label them as 'torture'.



Bush's legacy will be as a great President who was willing to stand up to terrorists and terror sponsoring states, while the Democrats of the new millenia will be looked at as incredibly wimpy girlie men.
Mary W
2007-07-12 05:16:33 UTC
I am sure. The chimp has been the worst president that America ever elected!?! ( oops, he was "appointed" by the US Supreme Court). As for torture, that has been going on pretty much since the beginning of time. I think America does less torture than other countries though!
Honest Opinion
2007-07-12 04:53:40 UTC
Certainly tortured logic for getting us into the mess in Iraq.



Because of Bush, torture has become the American legacy, and that's really sad. At one time Americans could stand tall, above other's behavior in this world of evil dictators. Now we seem just like the rest of them.
jeeper_peeper321
2007-07-12 05:00:34 UTC
Since when did making people stand up for long periods or making them listen to loud music, become torture ?



It is a silly argument to try and equate what we do, to torture.



The prisoners at GITMO are laughing themselves to death,



laughing at the people who think we torture them.



I tell ya, who knew Afghanistan was the vacation hot spot of the world in 2001.



Every detainee from Afghanistan all swear they were just in Afghanistan on vacation when they were picked up.



And people actually believe the ones we have released when they try and say they were tortured.
anonymous
2007-07-12 05:01:50 UTC
There is utterly no excuse for using torture as a policy. Makes us a piggish brute in the eyes of the world, not to mention, that it is plain WRONG!
?
2007-07-12 05:12:05 UTC
No. What has been deemed torture is far from it. It is a Media invention and nothing more. You are unaware of anything other than yourself and that leaves you at the mercy of those who do not share your sensibilities.
The real Ed-Mike
2007-07-12 07:57:10 UTC
Makes you understand all to well what it must have felt like to be German after WWII
UMD Terps
2007-07-12 04:52:22 UTC
why question it?..you haven't a clue to what is happening

do you think the op-ed writers do too???



it's not your legacy..focus on something relative to your own legacy..like making yourself valuable down the road
anonymous
2007-07-12 04:47:08 UTC
If anything, we need to torture them worse so we'll get the correct info we need sooner.


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